RE: More on the Future of whatever work will be possible.

2002-06-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
, flowers and bee hives. Not a blade of grass to mow or fertilize. A man ahead of his times, a product of the Great Depression and the very real salt-of-the earth Oklahoma red dirt. We are products of our roots. What shall we pass on? Karen Watters Cole If you are interested in what Metro does here

RE: 'Hooey' top pay

2002-06-24 Thread Karen Watters Cole
. On the other hand, others seemed resigned, as if nothing can be done. To me, that's un-American. In light of the article you posted referring to international criticisms and studies, is this a provincial thing or global? What do you think? Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: Tony Blair rebuffed

2002-06-24 Thread Karen Watters Cole
and hostility generated in the process) but Europe is adjusting to more than the euro. However, I don't believe Europe will or can go backward. Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:04 PM

RE: Rookies

2002-06-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Good morning, Keith. While I am naturally sympathetic to the teaching profession and understand Levine's arguments that teaching is more than knowledge of subject matter, I do see the point you made about accelerating further divisions and conflicting priorities within the education

FW: Should the US bailout S. American economies?

2002-07-02 Thread Karen Watters Cole
and inadvertently use the same descriptions? Or is there general agreement? Comments? Karen Watters Cole Between a Rock and A Bailout http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5720-2002Jun30.html By Sebastian Mallaby washingtonpost.com Monday, July 1, 2002; Page A17 George Bush wanted to stay out

RE: Horrific traditions

2002-07-04 Thread Karen Watters Cole
? Is it folly to think we in the western civilized nations have eradicated these barbaric ideologues? Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lawrence DeBivort Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:52 AM To: Keith Hudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

RE: FW JK Galbraith on corporate mess

2002-07-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lawrence DeBivort Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FW JK Galbraith on corporate mess I'm afraid it is even worse than you suggest, Arthur

RE: FW JK Galbraith on corporate mess

2002-07-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
their portfolios wisely. Regards, Karen -Original Message- From: Lawrence DeBivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:22 AM To: Karen Watters Cole; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FW JK Galbraith on corporate mess Greetings

RE: Horrific traditions

2002-07-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
to keep migrants from Canada and the US, where many European Jews were eager to go. Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christoph Reuss Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Horrific traditions

RE: Horrific traditions

2002-07-06 Thread Karen Watters Cole
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ray Evans Harrell Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 12:56 AM To: Karen Watters Cole; Christoph Reuss; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Horrific traditions Well, cousin. It has been sixty years and Jews still have no secure country even though places

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-07 Thread Karen Watters Cole
. Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:55 AM To: Bruce Leier Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Collapsing schools Bruce, (BC) I do not think it impossible to maintain standards

RE: Revisiting Education and applying lessons learned

2002-07-08 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Michael et al: I wonder if some of the dissonance we are sharing on revising education, or at least asking questions, is to acknowledge that we often confuse what in theory sounds good for education, but in reality does not teach well in the classroom? Lest I'm confused, are we discussing two

RE: Bush's procrastination

2002-07-09 Thread Karen Watters Cole
was a Republican at a time when his party opposed that move, Bush must confront the GOP image of being too cozy with business, and apply himself more precisely because of who and what he is and has been associated with. Grade: D+ Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

RE: Quis custodiet . . . ? (was Re: Let's get rid of Capitalism

2002-07-13 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I agree with Keith's comments (and others) that trans-governmental agencies will rise in authority and popularity along common interests, especially as technology allows people to transcend traditional borders and mental parameters (such as FW, environmental, human rights, science and finance).

RE: The future of language in the age of free-fall capitalism

2002-07-13 Thread Karen Watters Cole
rescuing from the endangered list? Karen -Original Message- From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Karen Watters Cole Subject: The future of language in the age of free-fall capitalism Karen Watters Cole wrote

RE: toc NYTimes.com Article: Is Today's New Investor Tomorrow's NewPopulist?

2002-07-14 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Yes, I just read this article also and agree with several factors it mentioned that must take place in order for there to be a populist storm on the near horizon: 1. The economy must slide further without a real recovery and 2. More of the public must feel affected and feel it enough to express

RE: Blasting Bush

2002-07-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Coca Cola to begin expensing stock options; more to follow? http://www.msnbc.com/news/780286.asp?0dm=C16PB Bush really missed this one, failing to stay ahead of a reform tide that he now is in danger of being caught in its undertow. McCain and Nader already have national platforms. My guess is

FW: Real Words Real Reform

2002-07-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I just stumbled upon this courtesy of Eric Altermans web log, or blog, as they are called. To this piece I submit my own mea culpa for Dubya to read, hopefully with more conviction than he did last week: You may not like or agree with everything I did in my past, and I cant change that.

RE: The deeper sickness

2002-07-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, Wm. Safire posts an erstwhile tribute to John Milton from London today that perhaps reflects the Tower of London as much as it reflects populist chagrin on the subject of corporate and political accountability: Hence, Loathed Melancholy

RE: Blasting Bush

2002-07-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
ear and wailing plaintively: Where's Karen? - Original Message - From: Karen Watters Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Blasting Bush Coca Cola to begin expensing stock options; more to follow

RE: The latest Krugman

2002-07-16 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, this Texas Tale has a message, just as most good stories do. In hindsight, it might have been a good idea if Texans had been able to look beyond that old time homeboy pride and famous name recognition when Poppy and Bab's firstborn decided to run for governor. I can't decide if this

RE: Move over, America (was RE: The latest Krugman

2002-07-17 Thread Karen Watters Cole
of debate and topics discussed, but enjoy having the opportunity to participate. Karen -Original Message- From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:05 AM To: Karen Watters Cole Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Move over, America (was RE: The latest

RE: One tough CEO who was not a hypocrite

2002-07-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Here I go jumping in with my usual politics of the moment view on a current thread. Brad wrote that the Japanese public would have appreciated an admission of responsibility (before they got a forced formal apology) for the fishing boat tragedy. Likewise, doesn't our military high command

RE: Cycles of History and Economics

2002-07-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Yes, many people succumbed to a gilded paper wealth, a too good to be true golden retirement, some of it easy money. We will write many words about it, there will be literature and investor guidance to help us deal with the breakdown of illusion. However, I'm glad you distinguished between the

RE: Americanization

2002-07-22 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Harry, I saw in your post my chance to jump in and confirm to FW that public transportation is alive and well in Portland, Oregon and spreading to Seattle and Las Vegas. Please pardon my boasting, but perhaps some who read this will see something that would work in their community, too. The West

FW: to Regain Confidence

2002-07-22 Thread Karen Watters Cole
David Ignatius: How Long a Slump? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28798-2002Jul18.html Excerpt: After the long boom of the 1990s, what's the chance that we are now facing the prospect of a long slump in this decade -- a Japan-like malaise that may last years before

RE: Relative Wretchedness

2002-07-24 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Ed, I like your suggested revision of the have vs have not semantics, especially since the old language implies ownership and perhaps one-upsmanship but does not adequately describe the uneven state of infrastructures, health systems and their underlying environmental foundations in many

RE: Chicanery

2002-07-26 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Cousin, I have heard several statements in the past few weeks linking the debacles on Wall Street and crimes by CEOnistas to campaign finance reform. We need to really change the way we finance our elections so that our politicians are able to work for our interests with clean hands, not one tied

RE: Correction: World Bank IMF (was Sala-i-Martin)

2002-07-26 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, thanks for this post. Although it may be obvious, and therefore for others not worth mentioning in print, let me say it: . This small iota illustrates why FW is valuable, resourceful and interesting. It would be impossible to glean this much wide-ranging, general and detailed information

RE: An extreme punishment?

2002-07-28 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Tom, although I share your sentiments regarding the Florida debacle in 2000, the prospect of either Bush or Cheney being convicted, much less led away in handcuffs per Keith and Brad's fantasy are remote. I also agree that over zealotry could backfire if the media is allowed to overdo the tried

RE: Joe Stiglitz's book

2002-07-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Yes, a provocative and eye-popping printed rebuke. I'd guess Stiglitz' response depends on how this affects his book sales. Karen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FW: Meme 21 article on UN Development Report

2002-07-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
According to the UN Development Report, the proportion of the worlds population living in extreme poverty dropped from 29% to 23% between 1950 and 1999. During the 1990s, extreme poverty was halved in East Asia and the Pacific and fell by 7% points in South Asia. On the other hand,

RE: Consequences of Sarbanes

2002-07-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, re: fallout in Europe, I ran across this article in Newsweek International regarding ill winds blowing over Europe. Is there any good news? Mon dieu! There's that schadenfreude word again. - Karen The Next to Fall? Europe. European companies face a massive credit crunch and banking

FW: is there a silver lining to forced delayed retirements?

2002-08-02 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Asking a few questions about retooling the work environment and some concepts at a painful moment. - Karen Retirement Delayed -- Maybe for the Better By Robert J. Samuelson @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23879-2002Jul30.html Wednesday, July 31, 2002; Page A19 The

RE: Educational subsidy to US

2002-08-03 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Foreign Policy online addresses the brain drain vs brain gain changes in immigration but also why newer immigrants perhaps do not assimilate as previous generations did into their host environment. - Karen The New Diaspora: New links between emigres and their home countries can become a powerful

RE: Predicting Reaction in the ME

2002-08-08 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Jan, you made a good point about the Saudis being as dependent upon the US/West for their defense as we are for their oil and secondly, that Iraq does not appear AT THIS TIME to have backing of China and/or the Russians. However, I disagree with you that other Arabs will not at least publicly

RE: Predicting Reaction in the ME(was Kenneth Lay in handcuffs?)

2002-08-08 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Good post, Jan. No one disputes that the US military has supremacy in arsenal and technical know-how. That's not the point. In fact, I sure hope we have superior firepower considering the money we have spent and are pouring into refurbishing the navy, upgrading coms systems and last but not

FW: Information Age and and public debate

2002-08-09 Thread Karen Watters Cole
CHECK OUT Dot.mil by Wm. Arkin @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49207-2002Aug6.html and http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59739-2002Aug8.html for information on the currently playing Millennium Challenge 02 war games and the real coordinates they are

FW: Trade Bill trade offs

2002-08-09 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Retiring US Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX) complained that socialist governments all over the planet were trying to avoid doing this and now the US is going to, but he voted for it anyway. Ouch. Reality bites. - Karen Trade Bill To Help Laid-Off Workers: Victims of Imports Win Added Benefits

RE: Predicting Reaction in the ME

2002-08-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
TIME magazine's international writer makes many of the same points we have been posting this week about SH jockeying into position for Arab solidarity: How Saddam Plans to Thwart Bush Iraq's propaganda effort, aimed at keeping Arabs from backing a U.S. attack, got an unexpected boost in

RE: FW: Trade Bill trade offs

2002-08-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Harry, it just doesn't seem that most voters understand the give and take of free vs protected trade. Either the labor unions take all the blame or the politicians do when a local economy is affected on the negative side. Since I've always got my eyes primed for the political ramifications,

RE: Gulf War II/Israeli War IV

2002-08-11 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Jan, Keith, Lawry et al: What does it mean to you that articles like this are appearing in the mainstream press? Also, did you see Henry Kissinger's piece relaying the history of the 1648 Treat of Westphalia, establishing the principle of nonintervention in the domestic affairs of other states to

RE: Stagnation stalks

2002-08-12 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Good post, Keith. A similar article, appears in today's NY Times: Slow Recovery May Still Feel Like a Slump http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/12ECON.html Excerpt: But many economists expect the country to escape a double-dip recession largely because consumers show little sign of

RE: Mad Deer

2002-08-12 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Ketchup? Isn't that a condiment that Reagan promoted as a vegetable? Karen Ray, Very interesting. Hadn't noticed it at all. (Post what you like. You'll never catch up with Karen!!!) Harry - Ray wrote: Has anyone heard

RE: SA and Work in oil-rich countries

2002-08-14 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Below is half of an article appearing in today's NYT about India and Pakistan that deals with the issues of socio-cultural and religious expression that ties in nicely, I believe, with the current FW discussion re: the role of fundamentalism and oppressive regimes in the Middle East. Friedman

RE: Next 11 September

2002-08-14 Thread Karen Watters Cole
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, the struggle within the Bush administration is getting more attention than Karen Hughes ever wanted it to get: see snippet below from http://www.stratfor.com/fib/fib_view.php?ID=205737 I also heard an insightful comment on National Public Radio (Talk of the Nation, I think)

RE: SA and Work in oil-rich countries

2002-08-14 Thread Karen Watters Cole
SAUDI ARABIA: Friend or Foe? The Politics of Anger vs the Politics of Fear? A Marriage of Convenience? Headed for Divorce? http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/saudi_8-14.html RS YI Excerpt: RAY SUAREZ: Well, what's behind that turning away from longstanding alliance?

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
the conversation between educated and thoughtful western males, sometimes with great amusement. And that, my friends, is an early conversation before coffee, which I go now to correct. Hopefully, I will see the dawn come up shortly with a hot cup in hand and enjoy a serene moment. - Karen Watters Cole

FW: Free Trade of the Americas

2002-08-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
MALLABY: A Go-Go Approach to Globalization @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44034-2002Aug4.html People talk about the Bush administration's divided foreign policy, with unilateralists at the Pentagon battling diplomats at State. But the Bush team also is split on

RE: pipeline nonsense

2002-08-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Title: Bericht Gentlemen: Unocals 1998 testimony reveals that an Afghanistan pipeline could be functional by 2010, a few years sooner than the US theoretically could have seen production from ANWR. Anyone care to comment on that? - Karen Excerpt: The Caspian region contains

RE: What is Economics, Hudson?

2002-08-16 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Cousin, I won't comment on your lengthy remarks re: Hudson Economics, but surely you don't think Ann Coulter got to the top of the best seller list without the artifice of friends and assorted vested cronies purchasing in lump orders? I wonder how many copies the American Spectator and hate radio

RE: pipeline nonsense

2002-08-16 Thread Karen Watters Cole
1. Relief: the decision was made. 2. Trepidation: fear of failure 3. maybe resolve. I absolutely think that George W. Bush felt some relief and maybe even some satisfaction that the 9/11 bombings on the WTC and Pentagon changed everything - you could read it in his face - because in a

RE: Burka, Human Rights and Imperialism

2002-08-17 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I think we should keep in mind that the history of the rise and fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan will also include the traditional tribal warfare in this ancient society, regardless of who funded what in the last 25 years. That does not mean that the US is not an accessory nor is Russia

RE: Fundamentalists vs Modernists (was Human Rights, Imperialism)

2002-08-17 Thread Karen Watters Cole
George Will joins the debate promoting strategy that attacking Iraq to activate domino theory political change is in everybody's interest, especially Europe's - while using Friedman's sociopolitical economics for support. In answer to Brad's question about what is a modernist, in this context,

RE: Symptom of decline (RE: Fundamentalists vs Modernists (was Human Rights, Imperialism)

2002-08-18 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Interesting post, Bill. I would dearly love to know the name of the organization paying American Jews to migrate to Israel. If you have that information, I would much appreciate it. I read last month that even during all the bombings this summer that over 40 families had moved this year, and

RE: telecom bust and jobs

2002-08-19 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Arthur, this was an interesting article. I could add more personal tales from similar experiences here in Portland, OR, still the nation's highest unemployment area at 7.5%. All aspects of the economy are affected, even though the median existing house price stands at $181K, unleaded gas is

FW: We could use some good environmental news

2002-08-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
In case you didnt see this good environmental news: Survival plan for urban heat islands Green roofs among tools to ease heat, health impacts http://www.msnbc.com/news/791658.asp?0dm=O13NH CHICAGO, Aug. 14 Living on a desert island

FW: In search of a foreign policy that is greater than the sum of its military parts

2002-08-22 Thread Karen Watters Cole
The following two columns indicate that the Bush administration is advancing more difficulties in SE Asia by its lack of follow-up, convincing allies and interested parties that we wont back up our agreements and promises. Of course, some say weve had this reputation far longer than Bush

RE: The Future of Health Care (was South African doctors move to Canada)

2002-08-25 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Chris, again quite coincidentally, I saw this story after your posting earlier Friday about immigrant medics. The audio is not showing up on their website as user-accessible, but may have the elusive web underline under the title header by Monday. It discussed the plight many immigrant

RE: Some more disinformation

2002-08-25 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I was struck by the tone of Baker's voice in this article. As someone who often begins a conversation very directly, I recognize the style. Obviously, after this much opposition and speculation has made it into the public debate, he starts out on the defensive assumption to make an offensive

RE: Softly, softly doesn't work

2002-08-25 Thread Karen Watters Cole
It is pretty obvious when making direct comparisons of the writings this weekend between former Sec. of State James Baker III. Esq., and NY Times columnist Thomas Friedman (BA in Middle Eastern Studies MA in Philosophy and Pulitzer Prize 3 times) that: 1. It shows in depth of knowledge and

RE: A question of when

2002-08-26 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Maybe another clue: US Issues Warning to Europeans in Dispute over New Court http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/26/international/europe/26COUR.html The US has warned that its NATO role will change if individual countries do not sign exclusionary agreements with it to protect US soldiers from the

FW: Resisting being a Passive Spectator

2002-08-26 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Title: The battle is being waged from those Ivory Towers The battle is being waged from those Ivory Towers. Please read this densely logical essay by Talbot Brewer, Prof. Of Philosophy at the Univ. of Virginia. It appears today under the Op-Ed section of the Washington Post. WE THE

RE: A question of when

2002-08-26 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Hi, Ray. I agree that the word empire doesn't fit from within the American psyche but too many people would say the shoe fits. As long as that large a discrepancy exists, you would think we would be more mindful of the consequences of some of our approaches in foreign policy; again, it isn't

FW: bits and pieces

2002-08-28 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Following a link on a previous posting, I ran into this editorial. Note the comments about IMF and advantage to the US at the end of the article. - Karen Chilling message Arab News Editorial 29 August 2002 Nigerias decision to suspend repayments on its $33 billion foreign debt because

FW: An Uncertain Britain

2002-08-29 Thread Karen Watters Cole
AHA! Another contrarian opinion about the Iraq war and Tony Blair originating from Bath, England!!! And there is a quote in Latin! Cheers! Karen An Uncertain Ally on Iraq @ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/29/opinion/29WHEA.html By GEOFFREY WHEATCROFT August 29, 2002 BATH, England

RE: FW: An Uncertain Britain

2002-08-29 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Harry, to that also add that both men wanted to change their party and modernize it, and, historically, they did, at least wrestling the office away from entrenched leadership. Some say the pendulum swings anyway, and some say it is helped a bit. Karen Harry wrote: Keith, I suspect the reason

FW: Double Hypocrisy: Professing to enforce corporate accountability and human rights but ignoring both

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
, and as long as the Old Guard now in power refuses to accept that, they will continue to misuse and undermine Americans interests in global political goodwill. Karen Watters Cole Powell's Awkward Position @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9385-2002Aug28.html By Mary McGrory

RE: I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I've been wondering in the past few days what scenario might unfold that would allow Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld to save face if their initial full steam ahead effort did not succeed. Let's face it, when even normally polite and reticent Canada speaks up against what you are saying you have every

FW: The Earth Debate

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
For all those interested: NOW with Bill Moyers: Friday August 30, 2002 at 9pm ET on PBS (Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/now/sched.html) NOW presents The Earth Debate, a special ninety-minute program from South Africa. This week the UN World Summit on Sustainable Development

RE: Deja Vu all over again (was I'm waiting)

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
, as in deja vu all over again. Karen Watters Cole

RE: An Uncertain Presidency An Uncertain Time (was an Uncertain Britain)

2002-08-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Harry, I am sorry but I can't let you have the last word on this. Obviously, many of us will continue to argue about the Florida Fiasco personally, but in addition, legal and history books will also debate the 2000 election for some time to come. In my mind, the US Supreme Court intervened when

RE: An Uncertain Presidency An Uncertain Time (was an Uncertain Britain)

2002-08-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Lawry, you are correct that my comments were less about the strategies both parties pursued or the legality of the final decision, but more about the sense of uncertainty that resulted from this unusual event and the unresolved sense of disenfranchisement that millions of voters felt. It will be

FW: Confronting Anti-American Grievances

2002-09-01 Thread Karen Watters Cole
isnt the only former White House advisor with an accent who can make a good case for Americans to think beyond the border. Karen Watters Cole Confronting Anti-American Grievances By ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI @ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/01/opinion/01BRZE.html Excerpts: Nearly a year after the start

RE: Walking on eggshells

2002-09-02 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, below is an excerpt from this morning's NYT discussing more of what the BBC interview suggested. From my readings this past month and listening to Round 1 of the Senate hearings on the subject (Round 2 expected after the holiday) the fear in some quarters is that if the primary push

RE: Why Americans should rest

2002-09-02 Thread Karen Watters Cole
And, what else should I see in my morning paper on Labor Day? FOR MANY, JOBS A TRIAL AND ORDEAL @ http://www.newhouse.com/archive/story1a082702.html, which includes some data and statistics many on FW are already familiar with, but it was this quote that got my attention: Popular

FW: Pipeline follow up

2002-09-02 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Heres more on the subject from mainstream Newhouse News Service on the jockeying for power around Afghanistan in terms of strategic alliances and natural resources in the Great Game, the name given to Russia and Britains 19th century imperial struggle: ASIAN POWERS PROD FOR TOEHOLDS

RE: Senile decay (was Re: Walking on eggshells

2002-09-03 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Wasn't it Churchill who said that any young man who wasn't a compassionate liberal was cold-hearted but who had not become a practical conservative by the time he was an old man was not a realist? Something like that? But then, Churchill didn't help save England by being flexible and

FW: Bits of news that may add up to something

2002-09-04 Thread Karen Watters Cole
U.S. Feared a Nuclear Argentina Policy: Hoping to win the regime's support for a ban in the 1970s, America curbed its opposition to the 'dirty war,' documents show. http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-dirty23aug23.story?coll=la%2Dhome%2Dtodays%2Dtimes Laid-Off Workers

FW: Perspectives on where we are headed

2002-09-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Or more bits of news that may add up to something: Oil Powers Expect Rise In Demand Environmentalists Speak Out at Summit RIO DE JANEIRO, Sept. 4 -- Worldwide demand for energy will soar in the next 50 years because of population growth and present challenges for the global oil

FW: Perspectives on where we are headed 2

2002-09-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Greetings from the Pacific Northwest, where the seasons they are a-changing: For those of you who are interested in yet another former government official speaking his mind about the possibility of war with Iraq, heres former Pres. Jimmy Carter adding his two cents and also complaining

RE: 35-hour week scrapped

2002-09-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I know others on FW are imminently more qualified with data and experience, but it seems to this layman that if economic or any institutional changes are to succeed the auxiliary changes must also be organized and accomplished simultaneously. Perhaps this is the case in France? A case in point:

RE: Counter Reformations (was The blindspot of Heilbroner)

2002-09-07 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Ed, you wrote in reply to KH: I would add to this by suggesting that we need a system of ethics that gets us away from looking after number one, conspicuous consumption and valuing the material. I think there's a widespread awareness of this. People are searching. They've discarded much

FW: Smoke on the horizon

2002-09-08 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, I finally sat down to read the entire commentary by Sir Michael Howard you posted from FT.com (Smoke on the horizon) and wondered if his comments on Europe and the UN are considered standard in the UK or the exception? - Karen Europeans may sneer at the analogies that rise so

FW: Shorter Work Week (cont'd)

2002-09-09 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Following up on recent FW posts; the Financial Times writes that one of the reasons for the aborted shorter work week in France was union concern that the government was attempting to decrease individual social security accounts. In addition to verifying Tom Walkers observations, also note

RE: My speculation

2002-09-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
This morning's headlines indicate Bush-Cheney are indeed backtracking on this issue, and tacking to another: U.S. Not Claiming Iraqi Link To Terror By Dana Priest Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, September 10, 2002; Page A01 As it makes its case against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, the

RE: Keystone Cops reappear in Florida

2002-09-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Bill, I just finished reading about Florida Voting Disaster, the sequel. Sorry to hear it. Really. (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62468-2002Sep10.html. Karen Ed wrote: I would guess that you have hit the nail on the head. The USSR was brought down with fax machines. I have

RE: Nature vs. Nurture (was RE: Blank Slate

2002-09-18 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, I was going to ask you to enlighten me as to just how much of the western, industrialized population was actually using eugenics options available to them, presumably for the most part in artificial insemination. Maybe I'm just not in the right circles or haven't read enough, or it is more

RE: Nature vs. Nurture (was Blank Slate

2002-09-19 Thread Karen Watters Cole
There is an educational talk program on public TV in my area tonight discussing labeling GM food and the debate swirling around it. Oregon has a measure on the November ballot (Measure 27), supposedly the first in the nation. They replayed a report first broadcast on PBS in April, which I was

FW: Closing the deal

2002-09-20 Thread Karen Watters Cole
We are trolling for W. African oil and have Russian oil being delivered in the Gulf of Mexico; Bush is pushing Congress for a broad approval to act preemptively in the region not just in Iraq; the markets are down with latest monthly reports and performance earnings. The push is on to

RE: Closing the deal

2002-09-20 Thread Karen Watters Cole
It was, again, interesting, to watch the Russian Defense Minister interviewed on Newshour this evening. He spent 10 minutes answering questions by Ray Suarez very adeptly, in perfect English, repeating that the UN process should be given its due chance to proceed and succeed or fail, that

RE: Gary Kasparov vs IBM

2002-09-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Brad wrote: There's an interview in Sunday's NYT Magazine with Gary Kasparov. He criticizes IBM for making such a big thing of Deep Blue beating him in 1997, instead of treating it as a scientific experiment. I'm sure there is some sour grapes in this, and that, had Kasparov won, he might not

RE: Dormice galore Reconsidered

2002-09-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I should add that moles and hedgehogs might do beneficial work somewhere in the food chain, but I have not seen it. Locally, the people at Metro Parks have brought in a herd of goats to clear a hillside above the Willamette River of its wild blackberry and ivy growth. The summers of forest fires

RE: Dormice galore

2002-09-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Yes, we do have dormice and their larger 'cousins', moles: several varieties, not many of them encouraged. I have seen a grown German Shepherd's chest torn open by the teeth of a vigilant prairie dog, and watched my backyard become a collection of mounds overnight. Can you imagine the

RE: Failed Middle East hypothesis

2002-09-21 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Your story added a nice touch, Harry, to our speculations and online posturing. Although I've been reading on the Bush 'We're #1 and Plan to stay that way' Doctrine and the congressional resolution he sent up for Congress to fall over, I'm going to highlight some additional To War or Not

RE: dumping GM food on Africa

2002-09-22 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I agree with Chris on this. There is no moral excuse for exporting to others what one won't consume on the domestic market. It incensed me years ago to read about bad baby formula shipped to S. America by US companies. There is no less evil example of the excesses of capitalism than this

FW: Is Globalization a 'Fait Accompli'

2002-09-22 Thread Karen Watters Cole
in general are vulnerable, anachronistic and impede free trade completely. So Bush has a NAFTA strategy, nest pas? Karen Watters Cole Globalization, Alive and Well By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, NYT, September 22, 2002 @ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/22/opinion/22FRIE.html If one were having

RE:I'd rather be on the safe side (was dumping GM food on Africa)

2002-09-22 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Harry, you old coot, I am not criticizing recycling discarded food from markets and restaurants that can't sell it as perfectly fresh. I am talking about baby formulas that didn't meet American standards for American babies being offloaded to unknowing consumers. What does it matter that they

RE: Monte Cassino

2002-09-23 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Military strategy is fascinating. I used to love it. In college my sorority sisters thought I was crazy, but sitting around talking battle plans with guys wasn't a bad way to get noticed. In Japan at the end of WW2, we nearly flattened Tokyo, but for the most part stayed away from the Imperial

RE: Failing to make distinctions

2002-09-23 Thread Karen Watters Cole
could become another war of cultures. Karen Watters Cole Bill wrote: Harry, You know darn well that the reason they didn't put German-Americans in internment camps was that they looked too much like Wasps. [plus there were too many of them!]. Bill Ward

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