Re: Changing the webpage for French, Italian, Japanese to the default layout

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 26/09/22 Marcus wrote:
Andrea, are you still working on the new Italian webpages? Do you need 
any help with this work?


Sorry that it took a while, but I've started working on this today at last.

I cloned "xx" to "it-new" and will work there until all the basic pages 
are done.


https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/tree/main/content/it-new

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Re: Changing the webpage for French, Italian, Japanese to the default layout

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 07/08/22 18:38, Marcus wrote:

do you still plan or wnat to help with the Italian website?


Yes, still here! If there is a translation that can serve as a recent 
example (French?) I can go through the logs and try to do the same for 
Italian.


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Re: location of language data in code

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On 27/02/22 Mechtilde wrote:
> Am 27.02.22 um 19:29 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> Is there information needed in the code itself to support
>> a language, and if where in the code would I I look see if
>> it is already there?


Which language you are looking for?
We have to extract it from the code and input it into pootle


Keith: if you want code pointers:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/tree/trunk/extras/l10n/source

These are the existing UI languages; some translations are very 
incomplete; upon request, they are imported into Pootle as Mechtilde 
wrote; upon reaching 80%, they are released.


See the slides at 
https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ode_localization/ for 
context; while they are a bit old, they still mostly apply.


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Re: Changing the webpage for French, Italian, Japanese to the default layout

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 08/10/2021 Marcus wrote:
Currently the following webpages have a different look & feel than all 
others: ...

https://www.openoffice.org/it/
I want to align them to the general design that can be seen here:


On the medium term (say, by end of year) I should be able to take care 
of Italian. It doesn't make sense to keep content from the current site, 
as the non-standard parts (such as company listings, or books) are 
totally outdated now.


Assuming I can do all this myself (and that I remember the process that, 
if I recall correctly, starts with the "XX" site templates), I see 
basically two options:


1. Create /it-new and host the site there until it's done; this allows 
easy peer review.


2. Use a new branch on my Github fork (and locally); this makes peer 
review possible but more complex, as the reviewer must rebuild the site.


Is there a preference between the two options?

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Re: translation source

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On 24/02/2020 Dick Groskamp wrote:

OK, I think I messed up big time.
I think I made the changes on Apache/OpenOffice, not in DiGro/OpenOffice.
Is it possible to safely remove my PR's ?


No that is not the issue. It is supposed to be that way. The way PRs 
work is this one:

- You create what Github calls a "fork" (your personal copy)
- You commit and push stuff to your fork, usually in a dedicated branch
- When everything is ready, you submit your commits (all of them and not 
each of them separately, like you did) as a PR for the "upstream" 
repository, i.e., apache/openoffice



Or should I close them all.


No, please don't. If I find some time to explain in practice how to do 
it, I'll combine your PRs and explain, so that everyone doing this in 
the future can have a reference.


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Re: translation source

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dick Groskamp wrote:
However, I'm not that a technician with GitHub and I don't have write 
access.
I've looked into the Help of GitHub to learn about merging PR's, but 
learned that you should have write access, which I haven't.


You don't need to merge the PR. You need write access to YOUR so-called 
(as Github calls it) "fork" of OpenOffice, i.e., this one 
https://github.com/DiGro/openoffice and of course you do have write 
access to it.


When I make a PR I'don't have an option to merge it with older/newer 
ones (I think, at least I don't see it anywhere)


I meant "merge" in the sense of "putting together" (even though one of 
the options is to do it through git merge). See it this way if it helps 
to get you started: a PR is not a commit; a PR is a SET of commits; so 
you should make one PR out of the set of all 40 commits you did. This 
means the branch lives (as the 40 new ones you created) in YOUR 
repository and the PR contains all changes.


Regarding " and ideally removing the end-of-file newline differences" 
I'm not sure what you mean by that.


See here for example:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/63/commits/c544122805251db07510445167f9195d0a5a6d2c
If you scroll to the very last line, you will see what I mean. This is 
often an editor setting or a local git configuration.


I haven't touched the end of the files, most changes are in the 
beginning of files.


The editor did it for you. You need to configure your editor to respect 
the conventions in use. The way to do this is of course dependent on the 
editor.


I did notice a red mark in some files at the end though, but don't know 
what they mean


Indeed this is what I mean.

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Re: translation source

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Dick Groskamp wrote:

Started hunting the superfluous whitespace in the code pages


This is great, but can you please consolidate the numerous PRs into one 
(or one per day)? We had only 32 PRs on Github so far and you added 40 
more, which makes the review process more complex.


If you can create a new branch including all your PRs (and ideally 
removing the end-of-file newline differences) this would be much more 
convenient. All redundant PRs will be automatically closed once the "big 
one" is merged, so no need to modify them.


Of course, keeping all individual commits is absolutely fine. I'm just 
asking to have all of them in one PR; either git merge or git 
cherry-pick will work well for this.


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Re: Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

[Andrea Pescetti]

Mechtilde wrote:

I don't know anything about automatically inserted accelerations.


I confirm we have an algorithm that assigns accelerators automatically 
when they are not specified.


The only drawback is that this way they won't be stable if new menu 
items are introduced, meaning that adding a new menu item could cause 
old accelerators to change.


This is a minor problem though, as in most cases one relies on the 
keyboard shortcuts (CTRL-O, CTRL-S and so on) which are still stable, 
and not on a sequence of accelerators.


In general, I think we can avoid accelerators in translations and rely 
on the automatic assignment.


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Re: English Dictionaries held again by the administration

[Andrea Pescetti]

Marco A.G. Pinto wrote:
Two months have gone by since the last update, and again, it is not 
possible to download the 2010-01-01 version which I uploaded because it 
requires permission from an administrator.


(Moving the l10n and QA list to BCC; follow-up on the dev list in case)

Fixed now at
https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice

This is the usual problem. I did give Matthias and you moderator 
privileges, but apparently this is not enough.


Try again (both of you) at

https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice

and please check if you see the "Publish" and "Unpublish" options.

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Re: English Dictionaries updated and again an error on page

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 27/06/2019 Marco A.G. Pinto wrote:

I have updated the English Dictionaries:
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice
Again, I had to unpublish the release to make changes in the release 
notes and again it says "Access Denied" when I try to access the site.


Fixed.


This happens every two months when I update the dictionaries.
Could someone fix it?


This happens because you use links in your extension description, and 
this is likely triggering the anti-spam filters. One option would be to 
make you a site moderator so that you can publish extensions (including 
yours) yourself.


Please use the dev list for follow-up in case.

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Re: Translation Africaans

[Andrea Pescetti]

Mechtilde wrote:

I'm preparing to migrate all translations in to the code. In that
process I found that the UI translation of AF is missing.
In the SVN is a translation from 2012-01-10. Does anyone have newer version?


Do you mean that you would like to copy to Pootle all translations from 
the link below?


https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/

This contains many more translations than Pootle. Pootle only contains 
translations for which we have some volunteers; so there are many 
languages in Pootle, but not all. I don't think Afrikaans is special, 
you fill find other languages in the same situation.


The ones I mean have simply never been copied to Pootle, so their latest 
status is what we have in SVN from some years ago.


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Re: [Status] New Chance for Translation Teams

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 07/12/2018 Mechtilde wrote:

now a big step is done.
- we have a current status for the UI translation in pootle.
- we will get it for Help translation as soon as possible.


Thanks for the update! It it correct to interpret the above as follows?

- All Pootle languages have now been updated from code for the UI 
(aoo40) Pootle project, so they are now all aligned again.


- aoo40help is not aligned yet (for all languages or just for some?) but 
it is in the plans to update it.


It is particularly important to know if all languages are aligned since 
this helps a lot in coordination, otherwise some teams are working on 
one version and some on another one. And as we have reused the old 
projects there is no way to tell this besides your report.


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Re: Rights to upload to Pootle

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Mechtilde wrote:

can you also give me the rights to create a new language for AOO40 and
AOO40Help in Pootle?


I've given you superuser status.


Then I can add Armenian (hy) to it as requested.


As the LT case showed, we are having some permission issues, meaning 
that probably some updates changed the permissions needed for certain 
tasks. But I assume that as a superuser you can add a language. Start 
from the "Admin" link top right. You will need plural formats, they are 
in the list archive or can be found online.


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Re: Rights to upload to Pootle

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Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:

Both links you've provided indicate I have insufficient rights.


You do have the relevant right, as stated.


Can the right be re-assigned to me?


You already have it, so there is nothing to change. But I've tried 
giving you all the rights, even those we don't normally use ("Can 
administrate a translation project" and "Can commit to version 
control"). I did this for both URLs I provided earlier.


Does it work now?

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Re: Rights to upload to Pootle

[Andrea Pescetti]

Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:
Upon finishing the translation of the .po files I wanted to upload the 
set to Pootle. I've done this many times in the past. This time, 
however, I got the following notification: "Permission Denied. You do 
not have rights to upload new files here." Can someone see to it my 
rights to upload are restored.


You do have the relevant permission ("can overwrite translations on 
uploading files").


User astepukonis at both:
- https://translate.apache.org/lt/aoo40/admin_permissions.html
- https://translate.apache.org/lt/aoo40help/admin_permissions.html

If this doesn't work, and users and URLs are correct, this might be a 
symptom of a problem with the new setup.


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Re: New Chance for Translation Teams

[Andrea Pescetti]

Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:

By the way, how much time do we have for translating AOO 4.2?


No deadlines for 4.2.0 yet. We are at a very early stage (not a beta, 
not even an alpha version), and it is totally possible that new strings 
will come while development proceeds.


For the moment it is very important to check that the new effort led by 
Mechtilde is going in the right direction and that everything works.


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Re: New Chance for Translation Teams

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 02/12/2018 Mechtilde wrote:

the upload of the following languages are finished in Pootle:
de, pl, pt, it, ar, kab, he, pl, ro, uk, lt


Thanks for the good news! It is very nice to see Pootle refreshed again.

So let's try to understand things properly:

1. Situations like the one for LT, where Pootle had a lot of work that 
had never been exported, will still work normally, meaning that the work 
is not lost?


2. Are we in a situation where the languages in Pootle reflect different 
situations? If yes (I mean, if only the languages above are aligned) 
then it is best to rectify this as soon as the testing phase is over.


3. Have you imported only aoo40 or aoo400help too?

Note that, if you wish to test with more freedom, we have a version 
available for it, the "genlang" version. It is unused. You can freely 
overwrite it if you want to (temporarily) keep the old versions around 
in some cases.


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Re: Refresh Pootle for Translation 4.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dick Groskamp wrote:
I have to check the Dutch strings against the en-US.sdf but I'm not 
capable to make my own build.
Then I should have the en-US.sdf because it can be localized from the 
build 4.1.6.


Sure. It was not part of my 4.1.6 build tree, but I've generated it 
(according to my old notes, link already sent multiple times) with

   ---
main$ localize -e -l en-US -f /tmp/en-US.sdf
### Localize
WARNING: .../main/../extras/l10n/source/en-US/localize.sdf not found 
### Fetching source language strings
.../main/solver/416/unxlngx6.pro/bin/localize_slFound special path!
Localizing repository ...
4044 files found!
   ---

I hope the warnings above are not critical.

Here is the SDF file. My notes say you should expect a 99.8% match:

https://we.tl/t-I6hFrck9Rr

as Andrea requested and see if there are problems which should be 
corrected before releasing 4.1.6


More than 4.1.6 (where we wouldn't include translation fixes anyway), 
this is to test the other part of the workflow: Mechtilde is working in 
the other direction at the moment, but we must of course also preserve 
work by the translators and be able to merge volunteer's work that now 
exists only in Pootle.


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Re: Refresh Pootle for Translation 4.2

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Dick Groskamp wrote:
As far as my memory serves me, no additions to Pootle were made after 
3.3 or 3.4.


No, that should be much more recent. Pootle hasn't been used after 4.1.0 
since all the 4.1.x releases did not contain string changes. But 4.0.0 
and 4.1.0 were fully translated in Pootle (maybe 4.1.0 was updated only 
on demand since we didn't have many string changes between 4.0.0 and 4.1.0).


Pootle came to a halt in probably the year or the year after it went to 
Apache.


It didn't come to a halt per se; simply, new releases haven't brought 
string changes and 4.2.0 will be the first release where we need to 
import a significant number of string changes.


Having the old translations in Pootle would require an upgrading of the 
templates in Pootle, used for the translations, with preservation of the 
translated strings.


Due to code changes, 4.2.0 will need some special work: we moved some 
strings, and Pootle won't be able to recognize they were moved. But its 
built-in translation memory will probably hep and suggest the previous 
translation if people are willing to review.


I mainly worked with translated PO-files ( checking with GSIcheck and 
repairing errors and then putting the corrected PO-files back)


So, would you be able to export (I assume) Dutch from Pootle, pass it 
through GSIcheck, check that it passes and document this step? I 
remember having troubles at this step when I tried last year, but (even 
if I've helped with translations since the pre-Apache era) GSIcheck was 
never part of my routine.


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Re: Refresh Pootle for Translation 4.2

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Mechtilde wrote:

as already wrote, I try to work on translation update.
Now I could get an actual *.sdf file from source code.


Thanks, Mechtilde! Could you please start from my notes at 
https://s.apache.org/Dukc and copy them to a wiki page (or, if you don't 
like wiki, to a text file to be then copied to a wiki page) so that you 
can take advantage of what I already wrote and fix it?



After preparing a build directory there I could start localize successful.


OK, so for example my item 1 from the link above
   ---
1. A full checkout of trunk; I believe some of the tools are built
during the build process, but I'm using a fully built tree anyway.
   ---
should be improved to say that you don't actually need a full build (but 
you still need to initialize the build process).



I could also create *.pot file with oo2po from *.sdf file. There I get
many *.pot files in different directories.


I assume you will be looking at German with more attention, right? I 
recommend to just start with one language, since having all SDF files is 
useless anyway (Pootle has only a selection of languages).


Once we get a few languages working, generalizing won't be hard.


Now I downloaded a *.zip file from Pootle with the previous German
translation. Must I do it for every language manually? How can I do it
effectivly?


I would suggest this: do the same steps as I did for French and 
Portuguese in the discussion above. Let's check if we get to the same 
conclusions, i.e., that Pootle is in a bad state that does not 
correspond to any release.



Then I can look for the next steps.


Please note that, as I wrote, we need to go the opposite direction: from 
Pootle to SDF. But we need to re-learn both flows, so it's really good 
if you repeat all the process from my earlier notes.


So your next major steps would be:
- Exporting German from Pootle (not to Pootle) and build 4.1.6 (not 
4.2.0) based on it
- Understanding the "malformed string" error messages when doing the 
above and their impact on the resulting build; this is where I stopped 
on 31 Dec last year, and I think nobody has done further work ever since.


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Re: Refresh Pootle for Translation 4.2

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Mechtilde wrote:

My first problem is to extract an actual SDF Template ...
I followed the intructions in the wiki and the slides from FOSDEM 2018.


Please find more comprehensive information here:

https://s.apache.org/Dukc

This is a set of messages I sent to the dev list with everything I 
managed to discover at the time. It might help you make some progress.



Does someone use Visual Studio for building and can provide an actual
*.sdf file.


I really don't think Visual Studio has relevance here. All my 
presentation and mailing list messages were done on Linux (no Visual 
Studio).


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Re: Can a GENLANG Procect be used as the basis for a New language procect

[Andrea Pescetti]

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

We have a  volunteer to translate AOO into Breton. Unfortunately the
only project is the discontinued genlang one. Is there a way the it can
be used as the basis to create the normal AOO 4.x and 4.x Help projects?


No, whatever is in genlang is not aligned with current stuff (not even 
Pootle is but this is another story).


But whatever is in genlang comes from either a blank import (i.e., just 
creation of a project without any translated string) or from an import 
of the SDF files located here: 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/


Do you see Breton files at the existing sources? Note that we try to use 
the international standards, but there are several, so you should check 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Adding_a_new_language_or_locale to see 
in case you can't locate it.


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Re: Arabic translation complete for Apache OpenOffice 4.x

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 23/02/2018 Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

Em Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:53:33 +
Ahmad Alawsie escreveu:

Andrea: so can you give me instructions on how i would be able to
test this. If you could give me a step by step guide to test this
arabic version, i would be glad to help. I’m ready at your service
for this.


Thank you Ahmad. I think Matthias will share a link where you can 
download a test version as soon as it is available online. Please note: 
this is an initial test version, not including your work yet; we will 
use it to check the current state of translation and whether we can 
build it with the current tools. It is expected to still contain 
untranslated strings, but you should check that the part that is 
translated makes sense (for example, by quickly checking the menus in 
all modules).



I'm available to help for Portuguese to.


Thanks Pedro, but for Portuguese this step is unnecessary since it was 
already released; basically what we are trying at this stage is simply 
to build Arabic 4.1.5 with the strings we already had. And Portuguese 
would be unchanged from the released version. The next step (bringing in 
the latest Pootle strings, already attempted and failed for Portuguese 
and French) will involve Portuguese, French, Arabic and other languages 
that we can agree upon later.


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Re: Arabic translation complete for Apache OpenOffice 4.x

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 22/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

Andrea, I have windows, so how can we start with this process?


This makes things a bit more complex, but as a first step I (but Matthis 
can do this better than me!) would simply add Arabic to the 4.1.5 
buildbots; this will not contain your latest fixes, but it's important 
for us to check that we can build Arabic; and you can play with it, even 
though the translation will still be incomplete. The next step is then 
incorporating your fixes.


Matthias: I haven't tried, but I don't expect huge build issues if you 
simply add "ar" to the list of languages at the configure step. We 
haven't built Arabic for a long time, so we totally need to do it to 
allow a native speaker to check how broken the current SDF file is (it's 
probably still from 3.x, but it should work for the 4.1.5 build too; it 
will just miss some strings, so there will be some parts in English).


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Re: Permission to show mailing history of my communication with my professor

[Andrea Pescetti]

Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

can you confirm in your response to this email whether I have this permission 
to show my professor evidence of my communication on this mailing list.


Everything that is publicly archived at

https://lists.apache.org/list.html?l10n@openoffice.apache.org

is clearly public. You can point your professor to this URL.

As for validating the work, we will still need to build it to 
double-check. You haven't answered my question on what operating system 
are you using (and most notably if you are able to use Linux-64bit 
builds). Once we know that, we can look into starting the QA phase and 
(but I anticipate it will take some time) add Arabic to supported languages.


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Re: Pootle OpenOffice Server manager

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 10/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

They have asked me to find out who the Pootle OpenOffice service manager is 
(the person who manages Pootle for OpenOffice)


Pootle works like all other services at the Apache Software Foundation. 
I will give you all details here (as opposed to continuing the other 
discussion) so that you have a complete picture, since I assume Pootle 
is the first ASF (Apache Software Foundation) infrastructure you use.


- The software itself is developed by the Pootle developers (the Github 
issue queue you posted to, and the Gitter support channels); we are just 
users.


- The installation is done and maintained by the Infrastructure Team of 
the Apache Software Foundation; they keep the software updated; when 
there are security reasons they update quickly, when there are not 
security reasons updates are less frequent. The Infrastructure Team is 
capable of managing the installation and does not need external help. 
Still, the team is very busy and it is normal that low-priority issues 
are kept in queue. Also, the answer you get from the Pootle developers 
is along the lines of "we did a lot of fixes recently" and not really to 
the point.


- Then there are the people like me and you; we are just users of the 
service. I do have administrative access to the installation, but still 
I cannot do a system upgrade.


In the end, this now depends on Infra. We are running version 2.5.1.3 
from 2015, as you can read at https://translate.apache.org/about/ - and 
as you can see at 
https://github.com/translate/pootle/releases?after=2.7.1 upgrading is a 
lot of work, since you have to go to 2.6.0 first and then upgrade again 
to 2.8.2. I've opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16020 
as a low-priority task for Infra, but I'm not sure when they will have 
time for it.



the latest version of Pootle have fixed the bugs, but OpenOffice are using 
outdated version.


It's not only OpenOffice. OpenOffice is one of the 100+ projects managed 
by the Apache Software Foundation. The Pootle installation is shared by 
all projects, so upgrading it needs a lot of coordination.


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Re: The suggestion mode does not make sense.....

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

The thing is if i, skyray1, accepted the suggestion by skyray1, it will submit 
the translation and other users will not be able to see that suggestion as that 
string becomes officially translated unless someone decides to change it.


Yes, and this is exactly my example. Imagine you have two translators 
into Arabic, skyray1 and xyz.


1. User skyray1 enters suggestions, deliberately keeping them as 
suggestions (for the reason above).


2. User xyz reviews them and tells (by e-mail) skyray1 to go ahead (and 
let's say he leaves the final acceptance to skyray1, as skyray1 has best 
knowledge of that set of strings).


3. At this point, skyray1 goes back to his own suggestions and accepts them.

This is a reasonable workflow used by Pootle teams, and step 3 explains 
why it is useful to have this. It if still doesn't make sense to you, 
this is still the way other teams work, so there is no reason to break it.


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Re: The suggestion mode does not make sense.....

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

i make a suggestion, why should the system allow me to accept or reject thay 
suggesting if i am logged in as user skyray1...?


Pootle is designed for teams working together. Things that do not make a 
lot of sense when you are the only translator will make sense if you 
think about how a team should work.


For example, if I want to do some translation fixes I will mark them as 
suggestions to give another team member the possibility to review and 
approve them (even if I could approve them myself). When we both agree 
the suggestions are good, then one of the two (he or me) accepts the 
suggestions. So the interface is just right in this context.


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Re: Ping Andrea Another problem with https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset

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On 08/02/2018 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
After today's tests it seems clear that the odd case was when I did 
receive the mail. In all other cases it failed. I've opened 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16004 for Infra to take a look.


Now fixed by Infra. I tried a password reset with my test (non-Apache) 
account at https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/ and I 
did receive the mail a few minutes later. You can retry too, but I think 
the issue can be closed (the server needed whitelisting as a server 
allowed to send e-mail).


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Re: Forgot to mention that I am a university student...

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On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

I have to contribute to an Open Source project, and that my contributions have 
to be verified by being accepted. Is there anyway that this can be verified for 
my professor to see?


If you mean that they must be visible, you already have plenty of 
visibility with the web references to our Pootle installation and with 
the issues you opened on Github.


If you instead mean that they should get some quality check and become 
actually useful, then we will now have to work together to get in 
included, as I explained in the other discussion. The first step is for 
me (i.e., at least build Arabic for Linux starting from the old files, 
so that we can measure the difference). I'll continue the other 
conversation when I have something, but it will likely require a few days.


If you need some "official" certification, we can look into it, even 
though the best way would probably be to have a blog post on the 
OpenOffice blog where we explain your work.


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Re: Arabic translation complete for Apache OpenOffice 4.x

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On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

I have managed, in the last week or so since registering for the Pootle service, to 
complete translating & reviewing the last 5000ish words remaining for the 
Arabic language, and now I am wondering what happens.


Thanks! Now what should normally happen is... well, let me divide theory 
and practice.


Theory: we import your translation from Pootle into SDF files. See 
https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ode_localization/ (from last 
week) for the process overview. Then you and someone else verify that 
the translation works well on some test builds. Then we add it to 
supported languages and the next version is distributed in Arabic too.


Practice (all of these issues are not for Arabic but for all languages, 
since we have been reviving the project but there is still a lot of work 
to do): Pootle is not aligned with the latest code; being 100% in Pootle 
does not mean that you are OK for the next (say, 4.2.0) release, and 
unfortunately it is not aligned perfectly with 4.1.5 either. I 
anticipate a large number of problems when we try to build the SDF file. 
I've been trying the same for French and Portuguese, two languages that 
I can read much better than Arabic, and I still have issues. So we will 
need to be in contact about all the broken strings and check why they 
are broken, one by one: it may be that the translation is broken, but in 
the Portuguese case the translation in Pootle is correct and the export 
is faulty, or at least this is where the latest investigations are leading.



So on the website: https://www.openoffice.org/ar/  it mentions how the 
translation of the user interface is at 94%


It can stay since the Help is still untranslated, as Keith pointed out. 
Actually the fact that the help is untranslated could even be an 
advantage, since if I recall correctly the issues with French and 
Portuguese are all in the Help.



 will the Arabic language be made available for the newest version of 
OpenOffice?


That is the aim. As explained above, it still needs work on our (mine) 
side, on your side in response to that, and possibly on the 
infrastructure side to fix the export. All of us are volunteers, so 
things take time. But with a bit of patience we can manage.


Do you have any recent 64-bit Linux systems available for testing? In 
that platform I can provide builds myself so we can skip some steps. If 
you only have Windows/Mac available, someone else must do the builds and 
this needs more coordination.


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Re: Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

I have raised this suggestion on Github: 
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6805 where you can see what I think 
could be done to smoothen the registration process for a Pootle account.


That one is not a Pootle issue, so you can close that issue. That is 
just a matter of how we setup it. The current setup is that we prefer to 
reduce spam, so new accounts are only created on request in all our 
infrastructure (wiki, Pootle, everywhere). Still, even if we decided to 
let user self-create an account, all these systems require e-mail 
verification, so we would still have exactly the same problem.


Actually, creating accounts manually is the only way to have the 
workaround available: we just force a temporary random password and send 
it to the user.


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Re: Ping Andrea Another problem with https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset

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Matthias Seidel wrote:

I did a password reset with my private mail address some time ago and
did not receive a mail until now.


After today's tests it seems clear that the odd case was when I did 
receive the mail. In all other cases it failed. I've opened 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16004 for Infra to take a look.



There hasn't been a CAPTCHA if there should be one...


In one of my attempts (3, and all unsuccessful, meaning that the mail 
was reportedly sent but I never got it, like Keith and you) a CAPTCHA 
was shown on the second screen, before the "We've e-mailed you 
instructions" message was displayed.


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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT

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On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point


OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll 
look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators 
are not confused.


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Re: Ping Andrea Another problem with https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/02/2018 Keith N. McKenna wrote:

This is the response I get when I try to reset using my @apache.org
address: The user account associated with this e-mail address cannot
reset the password.


OK, but this is expected then. You probably never logged in with your 
committer credentials.


I've created a fake account with a non-Apache address and I've tried the 
password reset on it too. I didn't get anything so far, but I'll wait a 
bit and maybe make another couple attempts.


Others can do the same by opening
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
inserting their e-mail address and (when asked) the CAPTCHA, so that we 
can see whether it works. Of course, when you receive the mail you can 
just ignore it.


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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut 
button to function.


The Pootle documentation
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.7.2/features/machine_translation.html
states this is a paid service, with fees listed at
https://cloud.google.com/translate/pricing

The fact that it is a paid service complicates things a lot. Not much 
for the amount (it's 20$ per million characters; still, it would be a 
large amount if you consider all strings and all languages), but for the 
paperwork needed for the ASF to an expenditure "per use" of this kind.


I mean: for a free service we would only have the technical issue, for a 
paid service this becomes very complex to handle.


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Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

how do I actually suggest on the Pootle website?


The Pootle website is http://pootle.translatehouse.org/

The issue queue is here:
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues

The latter is the place where one can report Pootle bugs or suggest 
enhancements. You will need a (free) Github account for that.


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Re: Encountered issue on Apache Translate Pootle Service website

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

https://translate.apache.org/ar/ ... next to the name, it says 498. If you view 
the profile of “skyray1”, by clicking on the name and clicking on the following 
link: https://translate.apache.org/accounts/skyray1/ --- you will then see that 
the actual submissions is 1020.


It seems you are right. My guess is that those numbers are cached, since 
they are correct for other contributors. So you see 498 because that 
counter is updated (say) every 24-48 hours, while the one on your 
individual page is update in real time.


Let's wait a couple days to see whether this is simply due to cache: in 
that case, the discrepancy will go away.


If it is still stuck at 498 in a couple days, please ping again and we 
can try to investigate. Again, ours is just a standard Pootle 
installation, so if it is a code bug it will have to be fixed by the 
Pootle developers. But at least we can verify the bug.


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Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:

discuss an idea that I have for the Apache translate Pootle service website.


Our website is a standard installation of Pootle. Pootle is free and 
open-source, but it is not managed by the Apache Software Foundation. 
This means that for Pootle bugs (or enhancements like this one) you will 
have to go to the Pootle website and open issues there. From time to 
time we will update our installation of Pootle and thus get the new 
features/bugfixes.


Of course, it is still useful and good if, after posting to the Pootle 
website, you send a link here so that we can follow the issue.


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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT

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Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and 
I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google 
translate page, or maybe a mini-window


Thanks for flagging this. The Google translate option came with a Pootle 
update but was never configured. We do not recommend using Google 
Translate since quality is better if you don't use it (and, if your aim 
is consistency, Pootle will give suggestions by itself). Do you think it 
would be really useful? At the moment is is an unused new feature that 
you are seeing just because of a system update. But if you feel it would 
be important we can look into it.


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Re: Ping Andrea Another problem with https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset

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Andrea Pescetti wrote:
Thanks for doing all checks. I think I can open the JIRA issue after I 
verify it's broken for LDAP-authenticated (global, ASF-wide )accounts 
too.


Ahem, I did get my password reset mail normally. Keith, could you try 
doing the same with your @apache.org address? Could it be that it is 
broken only for external addresses? (By the way, a password change for 
an @apache.org address would be useless as committers login use the 
global, ASF-wide, usernames and passwords).


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Re: Ping Andrea Another problem with https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset

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Keith N. McKenna wrote:

It appears we have another problem with a new user not able to reset
their password: See the thread from Ahmed Alawsie.


I do read all list mails, don't worry: just, I'm a volunteer like 
everybody else, and busy with a full-time job unrelated to OpenOffice. 
So it may take a few days before I have time to react.



If you could let me
know the steps you were able to resolve the other problems I will take
care of Ahmed's.


Well, the only (ugly) way out is to open the people management page (the 
same you use for creating accounts) and type a password in the password 
field (that will appear to be blank when you edit the page). Passwords 
of other users will not be affected, even if you see many users in the 
same admin screen. At that point you can mail the password to the user. 
Of course, I recommend a strong password and I recommend that the user 
changes it immediately. If you don't see the (blank) password field you 
might be missing some permissions, but I don't think so.



As this is the third or fourth time this has happened I tried creating a
new user under my name and a different email. After saving I went to the
change password page and entered my alternate email and received the
standard response about an email being sent with instructions. It has
know been several hours and have not received the instructions via e-mail.


OK, so you got the notification but not the mail. Then let's get this to 
Infra. I'll do a check with my account (just to check whether using a 
global account, i.e., my committer account, makes any difference) and 
submit this to Infra if it fails for me too.



Is there anything else we can do or is it time to submit an infra jira.


Thanks for doing all checks. I think I can open the JIRA issue after I 
verify it's broken for LDAP-authenticated (global, ASF-wide )accounts 
too. I'll post the link here.


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Re: Reset pw script not send email

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On 08/01/2018 Andrii Filonenko wrote:

My account name FAM009
I can't set password in Pootle account.
Few days I can't see email - after push button to send new pw on email


OK, since it's clear that the "reset password" method doesn't work for 
you I've forced a password and sent it to you by personal mail. You 
should be able to access the system now.


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Re: Any teams currently updating translations?

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On 29/12/2017 FR web forum wrote:

- We just need to know if people are updating translations right now.
If
you are not, no problem. If you are, please e-mail this list.


Just update a string yesterday in:
https://translate.apache.org/fr/aoo40help/helpcontent2/source/text/scalc/01.po


I've managed to build French from the latest Pootle strings, which would 
be great news in itself, but now I'll need more details to double-check 
whether the latest strings are included.


Your most recent change above is for a string that is unreachable in the 
help in 4.1.5. Do you have an example of a string that is in Pootle 
French (UI or Help) and that is also visible, and untranslated or 
different, in OpenOffice 4.1.5 French?


Note: your Pootle strings are broken (only 2 of them). You should fix 
them in Pootle.


Error: Translation, Line 54846, UniqueID 
helpcontent2/source\text\simpress\guide\keyboard.xhp/help/par_id3155263/20//: 
unexpected Tag: \ at Position 107


Error: Translation, Line 54848, UniqueID 
helpcontent2/source\text\simpress\guide\keyboard.xhp/help/par_id3145590/2//: 
unexpected Tag: \ at Position 109


These correspond to the following two strings:

helpcontent2	source\text\simpress\guide\keyboard.xhp	0	help 
par_id3155263	20			0	fr	select=\\"sys\\">+Page 
suivante\20171231 13:39:15


helpcontent2	source\text\simpress\guide\keyboard.xhp	0	help 
par_id3145590	2			0	fr	select=\\"sys\\">+Page 
précédente\20171231 13:39:15


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Re: Any teams currently updating translations?

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Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

Em Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:11:50 +0100
Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> escreveu:

Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

The tooltip reads "Reduzir". It should be "Seleccionar", if I
remember correctly.

Thanks, I'll check with trunk and this will be a good example.


I've tried rebuilding 4.1.5 with your Pootle strings.

I get these error that you should fix in Pootle:

pt/text/shared/05/0001.xhp:45: parser error : Opening and ending tag 
mismatch: paragraph line 45 and link
e especializadas na página Web do %PRODUCTNAME em link 
href=\l


pt/text/shared/autopi/01100100.xhp:48: parser error : Opening and ending 
tag mismatch: switchinline line 48 and caseinline
line select="sys">caseinline 
select=\MACCommand enquanto clica para


pt/text/simpress/guide/keyboard.xhp:52: parser error : Opening and 
ending tag mismatch: body line 38 and paragraph
\sys\caseinline 
select=\MAC\wn

I've fixed them (on my local machine, not in Pootle) manually by 
truncating the string to the purpose of testing, but this is not enough. 
I'll have to run gsicheck to find out all of them.


This aside, unfortunately I still get some differences between Pootle 
and the 4.1.5 code (about 97 strings): this is not your fault, it just 
means that what we have in Pootle does not perfectly match 4.1.5.



I see there is actually a team, or at least user "mansil" is changing
some strings. This is just for the record, no recent changes anyway.


Yes, she insists on making changes on her own, without any discussion!


Well, you will need to coordinate for 4.2.0 when the time comes. In case 
there is really a need for better control, we can give and take specific 
permissions, but we tend to do that only when there is no better way.


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Re: Release Notes for 4.1.5 Ready for Translation

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On 27/12/2017 Keith N. McKenna wrote:

The final clean-up of the Release Notes for Apache OpenOffice version
4.1.5 are complete and ready to be translated. They can be found on the
cwiki at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.5+Release+Notes


Italian translation ready.

In the meantime, the Announcement has been made available too. 
Translators can find it at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.5+Announcement

The English version of the announcement has just been sent to the 
announce mailing list.


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Re: Any teams currently updating translations?

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Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

For example, open the form design toolbar. At the leftmost there is a
typcal selection arrow.
The tooltip reads "Reduzir". It should be "Seleccionar", if I remember
correctly.


Thanks, I'll check with trunk and this will be a good example.


And I'm not updating any translations right now.


I see there is actually a team, or at least user "mansil" is changing 
some strings. This is just for the record, no recent changes anyway.



The downloading feature for offline translation is missing


It's not missing, but it's enabled only upon request. I've enabled it 
for your account now.


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Re: Any teams currently updating translations?

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FR web forum wrote:

I checked french translation.
It is 100% complete.


OK, so I assume this means you are not updating translations right now 
(one can update translations even if they are at 100%, as in Pedro's 
review effort discussed earlier).


Just to make it clear again:

- Pootle hasn't been touched at all yet; this will come at the end of a 
lengthy process. At that point all languages will be incomplete since we 
will all need to translate the new/moved strings in 4.2.0.


- We just need to know if people are updating translations right now. If 
you are not, no problem. If you are, please e-mail this list.


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Re: Any teams currently updating translations?

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Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

I fully reviewed the UI and HELP translations and
I am still waiting for those reviews to be applied.


OK, this is indeed a common situation, as most languages haven't been 
updated back from Pootle in years. The aim is to preserve this work, 
even if (again, from my estimates; work is far from complete) there will 
be a few hundreds strings that will need to be translated again, or 
simply translated for the first time since some are new.


Do you have one example of an improved translation (like a menu or 
something visible) that is in Pootle and is not yet in 4.1.5? We can use 
it for testing the import.



So, in reply to your message, please let me know what is there to
update and what must I do to see all my work made usefull.


This will come later. For the moment we need to be sure that nobody is 
actively updating translations. In other words, work done in Pootle from 
now on will be lost unless we coordinate.



PS: if ever there will a pt_PT team, I would like to apply right now to
be the team leader with some extra privileges.


Yes, when I wrote "teams" the 1-man teams are included of course. When 
somebody else joins, he is asked to follow directions from existing team 
members, so this makes you a "team lead" in a natural way!


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Any teams currently updating translations?

[Andrea Pescetti]

With 4.1.5 on its way to the final release, we are working to setup 
Pootle for translating 4.2.0.


This requires significant work and we are still investigating details, 
see the dev list archives for more:

https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@openoffice.apache.org
(part of the ongoing work is also to add new languages as discussed).

What is important for us now is to know whether any language teams are 
updating translations on Pootle in this period. Since we are releasing 
4.1.5 and there have been no string changes for a long time, I expect 
that most teams are NOT updating strings right now, and a quick look at 
the Pootle statistics confirms this.


However, if your team is updating translations right now, please send a 
note in reply to this message so that we can agree in detail on when we 
update Pootle for your language. Of course we will try to preserve all 
work done so far in Pootle, but all languages will need some updates due 
to code refactoring: from my initial estimates (see the dev list for all 
details) languages that are 100% translated will need to update a few 
hundreds strings.


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Re: open office

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On 19/12/2017 anna_hovsepyan wrote:

Again, I need your help. I want to start to work offline, I have just
clicked in the link, and found the owerview tab page, but I can't find the
files, for downloading. If it is right, I found it in the Download AOO, is
it?


Hello Anna, no that is not the right link. We will need to do a massive 
Pootle update and, since we are volunteers like you, we'll probably be 
able to allocate some time for it next week, taking advantage of the 
less busy period.


Two things in the meantime:

1. We will need to know the plural form for Armenian to setup the system 
accordingly. You can read more at 
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/localization-guide/en/latest/l10n/pluralforms.html 
; as you will see, most languages follow the same rules as English, 
Spanish, Italian... i.e., two forms, the singular "1 item" and the 
plural "2 items"; if Armenian is different, like a different plural form 
for 2 than 3 items, we'll need to know it.


2. Would you like to start with the website rather than with the 
OpenOffice program? The website is ready and it can be done already 
offline; in case, just let us know and we can deliver the files to you 
by mid next week.


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Upcoming 4.1.5 release - no dictionary updates please

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OpenOffice 4.1.5 will likely be released next week.

As we do for every release, please do not publish updated versions of 
the default dictionaries in the next days, and ideally until the end of 
January or so.


This allows users to update OpenOffice without being prompted again that 
an updated dictionary is available.


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Re: password for pootle account

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anna_hovsepyan wrote:

what should I do in that case, if I don't receive my password for Pootle
account, my e-mail is true, I have just clicked in the link, and nothing,
I dot't receive my password.


I've forced a password for you and I will send it to your personal 
e-mail address now.


Note that this is only the first step: you won't be able to translate 
immediately once you get your password. But please let us know when you 
can login and we can continue the discussion.


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Re: Access denied on Dictionaries page

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Marcus wrote:

Am 26.10.2017 um 22:23 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

If we see users confused by the "double update" process we will have
to add an item to the Release Notes.

I don't understand what you want to write to the release notes.


I mean: if we start getting e-mails from people who say "I upgraded to 
version 4.1.4 and the upgrade failed since it still tells me that an 
update is available" then we should explain somewhere that the 
application updates and the dictionary updates are separate, and that it 
is expected that after upgrading to 4.1.4 you are notified that a newer 
English dictionary is available. If users actually read and understand 
messages, there will be no need for this.


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Re: Access denied on Dictionaries page

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On 26/10/2017 Marcus wrote:

Am 26.10.2017 um 12:09 schrieb Marco A.G.Pinto:

Now I get an access error in the official page:
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice


maybe a temporary outage in the second where you have looked.
I've test now and it's working.


Besides the problem itself (I confirm I see the page normally too) this 
means that people who upgrade to OpenOffice 4.1.4 will immediately see a 
notice saying they should update their English dictionary.


This is quite annoying but there is nothing we can do about it right now.

For the next version we should probably, like we did in the past, agree 
that the English dictionary does not get updated for at least one month 
after release.


If we see users confused by the "double update" process we will have to 
add an item to the Release Notes.


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Re: [Request] Translation needed for some strings

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On 29/09/2017 Marcus wrote:

Italian


This is not a literal translation into Italian as it uses the (slightly 
different) terminology we use on the Italian website and elsewhere. But 
it conveys the same concepts.



1.
Office productivity tools


Strumenti di produttività personale


2.
Join the OpenOffice revolution, the free office productivity suite with
over 215 million trusted downloads.


Unitevi alla comunità di OpenOffice, la suite libera e gratuita per la 
produttività personale e aziendale, scaricata oltre 215 milioni di volte.



3.
Apache OpenOffice is the leading open-source office software suite for
word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, graphics, databases and
more. It is available in many languages and works on all common
computers. It stores all your data in an international open standard
format and can also read and write files from other common office
software packages. It can be downloaded and used completely free of
charge for any purpose.


Apache OpenOffice è la più nota suite di applicazioni da ufficio per 
elaborazione di testi, fogli elettronici, presentazioni, grafica, 
database e molto altro. Apache OpenOffice è disponibile in decine di 
lingue e funziona praticamente su tutti i computer; salva i dati in un 
formato standard aperto e può leggere e scrivere documenti nei formati 
usati da altre applicazioni simili. Apache OpenOffice è liberamente, 
gratuitamente e legalmente utilizzabile in ogni contesto: pubblico, 
privato, professionale e aziendale.


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Re: Ping Andrea

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On 20/07/2017 Keith N. McKenna wrote:

We have a request for an account to translate to the Kinyarwanda
Language. It is listed on the Pootle home page, but the only AOO project
available is the Experimental GenLang one. What do we need to to to add
the A00 4.x and 4.x Help.
There is also a request for the Amharic language.


In these cases what we have done so far is to create the user and the 
language (you need the plural rules to create one, but the system will 
guide you or you can ask the native speaker).


Importing the translations (or creating them from scratch) as you 
guessed is the difficult part. This will matter for 4.2.0 and we can't 
do much now. If people want to start translating in the meantime, we can 
extract PO files for them to translate offline. But for the Pootle 
update we'll need 4.1.4 out of the way (I mean: released) and the 
initial 4.2.0 import, that will need some study.


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Re: SV: Help with translating.

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On 23/04/2017 Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hello Jan-Erik,
I am not a native speaker. Maybe you want to have a look at the
translation service (Pootle) for Swedish:
https://translate.apache.org/sv/aoo40/


Hello Jan-Erik,
in addition to this, do you know how ERR() and ERROR() are translated to 
Swedish in Microsoft Excel? OpenOffice does not copy Excel in general, 
but in order to help users we normally adopt the same translations as 
Excel unless we have important reasons not to do it.


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Re: New Pootle Account

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On 01/03/2017 Simona Negrea wrote:

Hello my name is Simona Negrea.
Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are under
the Apache 2 license and I will work on Romanian.
My preferred username is  simona_adelina


Welcome! Account simona_adelina created and enabled for Romanian.

Please go to
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/ro/aoo40/

A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

If you don't want to miss announcements you should subscribe to this 
mailing list: send an empty e-mail message to 
l10n-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and respond to the confirmation 
request you will receive.


Note to other volunteers: I know there are a few account requests in 
queue; feel free to resend them to the list if you have been waiting for 
a while and are still waiting for an answer.


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Re: New Pootle Account

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On 12/01/2017 19:08, Manuela Silva wrote:

I want to apply for a Pootle account in order to be able to help with the
translation of the available projects into Portuguese (Portugal)
language(s).
I state that my contributions are under the Apache 2 license and if is
possible I want a username like: mansil.



Welcome! Account created and enabled for Portuguese.

Please go to
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/pt/aoo40/
(translation is currently 100% complete, but you can still fix errors 
and you privileges will be active for future releases too).


I'm CCing Pedro, who has taken care of updating all Portuguese 
translations so far, so that you can coordinate.


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Re: Pootle account. Coprs

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On 02/02/2017 Nacy Abrous wrote:

*Nacira Abrous. *Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my
contributions are under the Apache 2 license and I will work on Kabyle
language My preferred username is
*: nacirabrous*


Welcome! Account created and enabled for Kabyle.

A general note: I know there are other accounts in queue from requests 
on this list; people who are waiting should ping me again if their 
account is not created within a couple days.


As for Nacira Abrous: your account is now active so please go to
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/kab/aoo40/

A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

If you don't want to miss announcements you should subscribe to this 
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Re: Release notes

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Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

Às 10:58 de 08-01-2017, Marcus escreveu:

I don't remember what you mean by warning. Cannot show an example
somewhere?

If I remember correctly, Andrea Pescetti used to write something here.


That worked well when we had proper alignment between Pootle and the 
code. At the moment we still have some misalignment, things will get 
synchronized again with 4.2.0 but this is not going to happen very soon.


As for the Release Notes, yes I used to send a note here when a release 
was approaching and I'll continue to do so.


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Re: Pootle server admins (was Re: create a Pootle account for me)

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On 18/11/2016 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Do we have a list of pootle admins?

I can create users for existing languages at least


I confirm I can add users and I just did it.


I can probably create new languages too, but I'm not sure I ever did it.


I confirm I can add languages too.


When I access Pootle for this task I'll see if a list of Pootle admins
is available in the web interface.


There are several Pootle admins, since this is a shared instance for all 
Apache projects. Out of the current OpenOffice PMC members, I can 
recognize me and jsc. We can (should?) add more.


Besides this, I have shell access to the VM, with sudo privileges too.

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Re: create a Pootle account for me

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On 12/11/2016 Slimane AMIRI wrote:

Hello my name is slimane amiri
Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are
under the Apache 2 license and I will work on Kabyle Language
My preferred username is  slimaneamiri


Welcome! Account created and enabled for Kabyle.

Please go to
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to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/kab/aoo40/

A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

If you don't want to miss announcements you should subscribe to this 
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Re: Pootle server admins (was Re: create a Pootle account for me)

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Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

@dev: According to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12787
arist, jsc, pescetti, jani and me have access to the pootle vm, but does
not grant admin rights in the pootle server, at least I'm just a simple
user, I cannot add Slimane. Do we have a list of pootle admins?


I can create users for existing languages at least, where "existing" 
means listed at https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ (57 
languages). This means I can take care of this task, and I will do it 
this weekend.


I can probably create new languages too, but I'm not sure I ever did it.

When I access Pootle for this task I'll see if a list of Pootle admins 
is available in the web interface.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Release 4.2: General Topics

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On 24/08/2016 Don Lewis wrote:

   * Updated bundled serf to fix a CVE and a WebDAV issue.  The FreeBSD
 port has been using the system version of the latest and greatest.


We've been discussing this separately. This will make the build system 
even more complex, but it does have advantages and brings to completion 
work started with 4.1.2.



   * Handle the Wiki Publisher and PDF Import extensions as integrated
 extensions:
 
 I've done some work on this in the FreeBSD port, but I haven't
 tackled the installer part for other platforms.


Can you elaborate on this? For example the fact that they shouldn't ping 
for updates looks problematic (not so bad, but it will require a 
reasonable release pace). And actually the document suggests that 
bundled dictionaries are handled as integrated extensions, which is not 
the case at the moment - and this allows users to get, for example, a 
fresh English dictionary when they wish.



Someone should fix the broken spellcheck problem.  It generates a lot of
complaints from our users.


We've investigated it a length; it is uncommon (it seems common due to 
the huge number of users) and like Rory and Dennis wrote this is better 
fixed with an after-the-fact fix: a tool (which ideally would become a 
menu item or a first start option) that allows to start with a clean 
profile.


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Re: A date estimate for the next release

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On 16/08/2016 Pedro Albuquerque wrote:

Às 20:21 de 15/08/2016, Aivaras Stepukonis escreveu:

Does anyone have an idea of when the next release of AOO might happen?

  and BTW, are the translations going to be updated?


Answering both: the "when" has not been defined yet, but we'll surely 
want to release something by late 2106.


There are two options available now (see dev list): a 4.1.3 maintenance 
release (this would NOT involve translation changes) and a full 4.2.0 
release (this would involve translation changes).


It is also possible that both of them happen.

If you have pending translations in Pootle, end of August seems a good 
deadline if you need one. We are still working on the import process 
from Pootle into source code and I'd like to make tests with meaningful 
data. Of course, if anybody wants to help with the technical issues 
related to the import just feel free to volunteer here I can give more 
details!


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Re: Thesaurus US - 752 synonyms with duplicate meanings

[Andrea Pescetti]

I have tested the new "unduplicate simple meanings" on the US thesaurus
and it found duplicated meanings in 752 synonyms:


(moving the conversation to BCC for l10n and QA; interested people can 
follow-up on dev)


May I know what is the definition of a "duplicate" meaning for your 
tool? It looks interesting. I may want to test it on the Italian 
dictionary too.



Not sure if I should convert the thesaurus to UTF-8 and then remove the
duplicates... what do you suggest?


I converted the Italian dictionary to UTF-8 long ago without any 
reported issues. I fail to see how/this is related to a de-duplication 
of some kind.


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Re: Basque pages in the OpenOffice website

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On 01/11/2015 Jon Peli Oleaga wrote:

Can you still move the files on the /eu-test/ directory to the /eu/ directory?
If you can, please move them.


Done! Actually it was done long ago, but we had technical issues with 
the web server that prevented the update from showing until yesterday.


http://www.openoffice.org/eu/ now has your translated files. Further 
updates will hopefully be much smoother to apply.


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Re: Problem accessing pootle

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Juan C. Sanz wrote:

I´m trying to access to pootle with my usual user and password and
receive a "500 - Internal Server Error"and y if I try to reset password


No accounts were deleted, as far as I know. I can't login either.

Without the need for everybody to try, can we get 1-2 other people to 
confirm that access to https://translate.apache.org/ is not working for 
them? We will escalate to Infra in that case.


While at it, I plan to ask for more direct access to Pootle, since we 
have tasks that have been pending for months and it is time to restart 
localization work.


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Re: Remove comments in English Dictionaries?

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Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

I am writing to ask if it is okay for me to remove (hide) the comments
in the English Dictionaries extension site.


(Why is the QA list in the recipients? I'm putting l10n and QA in BCC, 
let's follow up on dev if needed)


I prefer, as a user, to see comments on extensions, since from time to 
time I read useful information there and they are a good channel for 
contacting the author. An external link would not be the same (while 
mentioning your site in the extension description is surely useful). But 
this is just a personal opinion.


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Re: English Dictionaries - Remove a paragraph from the description

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Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

Can I remove the paragraph in the official extensions site:
This is a locally hosted copy of the English dictionaries with fixed
dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support
extension. - See more at:  ...


I created the extension that is now maintained by you because, due to 
the new build constraints, we needed to have the extension available on 
the extensions.openoffice.org site and the one we were using was hosted 
externally. So it was indeed born as a simple copy of another extension.


In the last months/years instead you improved it a lot, so the paragraph 
is no longer correct. I suggest that you still mention the original 
extension in internal files (README, Changelog) but feel free to remove 
the paragraph that I had inserted when creating that extension.


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Re: Hi

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On 09/11/2015 Mostafa Sedaghat wrote:

I am looking forward to submitting my dictionary to Open Office.
How Can I do it? How can I make sure that format is correct?


To make sure it is correct, just install it on OpenOffice 4.1.2 with 
File - Open.


To make it easily available to OpenOffice users, you should register an 
account for the Extensions website http://extensions.openoffice.org/ and 
upload it there, which will usually succeed; the only small change you 
may need to do is if you use some strange version numbering conventions.


http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/node/1204 is a working dictionary if 
you need to check packaging details.


Of course, feel free to ask if you have any further doubts.

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Re: Russian translation error

[Andrea Pescetti]

Serg Bormant wrote:

2015-11-06 0:56 GMT+03:00 Andrea Pescetti:

Can someone confirm, and update the issue or (best) update Pootle at
https://translate.apache.org/ru/aoo40 ? If you need permissions, just ask.

The Pootle has no error.


Thanks, issue https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126630 closed.

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Re: localization into Armenian

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 17/10/2015 Tigran Zargaryan wrote:

Hi, how can I start localization of the Open Office into Armenian?


Welcome! You will need a Pootle account for everything.
A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

I created an account for you (username tigranflib) and you can receive 
your password at https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/ ; 
all contributions are assumed to be under the OpenOffice license (ALv2).


You will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/

We don't have a partial Armenian translation available, unless you can 
find something related to it at

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/

This means we will have to add the language, and this will take a while. 
Do you have ISO codes for Armenian?


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Re: New Pootle Account

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On 28/10/2015 Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hello my name is Matthias Seidel.
  Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions
are under the Apache 2 license and I will work on german.
  My preferred username is  matthias


Welcome! Account matthias.seidel (matthias is unavailable, 
unfortunately) created and enabled for German.


Please go to
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/de/aoo40/
(currently 100% translated, but I assume you are subscribed to one of 
the mailing list in German and that you can coordinate with other 
volunteers there).


A detailed Pootle guide is available at
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OpenOffice 4.1.2 release notes are ready for translation

[Andrea Pescetti]

OpenOffice 4.1.2 will be released later this week. The Release Notes at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Release+Notes

are ready for translation. They still need some proofreading, editing 
and minor fixes, but you can already translate them.


To translate: login to CWiki, then open 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Release+Notes 
then top-right click "..." then Copy (do NOT click "Edit"!). When the 
translation is done, you can send the URL here if it doesn't 
automatically appear in the list of "Child pages" of 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Release+Notes


Need a CWiki account? Create it at the page above, then ask for 
"whitelisting" on this list including the "real name" and the username 
you chose when you registered for CWiki.


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Re: Fwd: Release status - Please test OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Andrea Pescetti]

Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:

Lithuanian currency should have been changed to Euro as per this issue
"https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125980;.
As far as I can see the change has not been effected in version 4.1.2,
am I correct?


You are correct and unfortunately it is late now: RC3 is being voted 
upon and will be distributed soon. From what I see in the issue page, it 
seems, though, that the issue has been fixed and the fix committed to 
trunk, but further work is needed (or simply you are OK with the current 
explanations?). Note that this release interval (more than 1 year) was 
exceptionally long, so if there are bugs that were forgotten for this 
release, like this one, it is important that we don't lose track of them 
and avoid that they are forgotten again in future.


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Fwd: Release status - Please test OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Andrea Pescetti]

(I'm forwarding this call for tests to the QA list and the l10n list)

It is very important to test OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2 thoroughly: please
download it from
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/
and use it for your normal tasks but also to mark as "VERIFIED" the bugs
listed at
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem_id=170764=4.1.2_approved_and_fixed=run_id=7

Bugs marked as RESOLVED FIXED must be set to VERIFIED or REOPENED. Note
that many are still in RESOLVED FIXED state but have indeed been
verified if you read the issue. In that case it is enough to change the
issue status, but an extra verification is always helpful.

Remember, building a new Release Candidate takes time and effort, so:
- It is time to be more careful with release blockers: you can still
propose a Release Blocker, but please accept that it will likely be
denied unless we are sure that it is low-risk and important.
- I do not exclude that an RC3 will come, but we want RC2 to be fully
tested before building it, and we must definitely avoid an RC4.

These bugs are now open for a possible RC3:
- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126586 from Damjan; nedds
more information, asked.
- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107619 Bug in Find & replace
with regular expression: already accepted blocker, solution was
incomplete in RC2, now supposedly fixed
- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126582 When trying to access
a read/only share on Sharepoint an error is shown: This is new but it
addresses the same use case of the other Sharepoint fixes
- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126573 Dictionaries were
actually not updated in some cases, probably due to a not completely
clean build, to be investigated
- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126588 Portuguese dictionary
to be updated: I'll now ask the l10n list to suggest other possible
dictionary updates.

So: not many bugs so far, and not so bad. But we will have the full
picture only if everybody helps in testing, it's very easy to do so.

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Re: Hindi translation

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 08/10/2015 Ranjan Joshi wrote:

I would like to help with the Hindi translation of your index page. Please
let me know what needs to be done.


Hello Ranjan, Abhimanyu,
you both contacted us with the same request recently, i.e., translating 
our website into Hindi, which means updating http://www.openoffice.org/hi/


Translation is not particularly complex but you will need to edit 30 or 
so text files, that you can also split between the two of you. Please 
take a look at our guide 
http://openoffice.apache.org/website-native.html and come back to us 
when you are ready to start. We'll create the test-hi package for you 
and send it to you for offline translation.


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Re: Re-subscribe to the OpenOffice email list for translation

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 05/10/2015 Stefan Högberg wrote:

I think I had a problem with my email client (AOL). It seems that there
was some kind of size limit, and my my inbox went full, so no more
messages were allowed. I guess that I was automatically blocked by the
OpenOffice translate email list.


Hello Stefan,
if you resubscribed (I see you sent a mail to the -subscribe address 
too; this should trigger the confirmation request and then subscription) 
everything should be fine.


Did you receive the messages from this list in the last days? If not, 
you can probably fix it yourself by unsubscribing and then subscribing 
again. But let us know if you still have issues. Of course nobody 
unsubscribed you forcefully, but if many messages bounce back the system 
indeed considers an account to be inactive and suspends delivery.


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Re: A pootle account

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 03/10/2015 Jessica Lu wrote:

my name is Xian Lu and I'm from China (now living in
California, USA).
I want to apply for a Pootle account in order to be able to translate the
available projects into Chinese.
I state that my contributions are under the Apache 2 license and if
is possible I want a username like: Jessica666.


Welcome, Jessica!

Account "jessica666" (lowercase) created and enabled for Chinese.

Please go to
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/zh_CN/aoo40/

A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

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Re: Updating English dictionaries today?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/08/2015 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

Andrea, I was wondering if, since there are several release blockers
around, if I could still be in time to update the English dictionaries
to be used in AOO 4.1.2?


Yes, no problem. As I wrote in the issue:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126454#c2
It will likely be updated again before releasing, but at the
moment we have the latest available version.

We had done 4 updates in trunk but none had been ported to AOO410, so I 
had to realign the two in order to make the next dictionary updates 
smoother.


You can take your time and do the release with the needed care. We are 
surely in time a new dictionary update in the next weekend.


When the new extension is ready, just clone 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126454 (clone issue) and 
nominate it as blocker, and the new update will be applied.


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Re: Bulgarian locale check for 4.1.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 18/08/2015 Hristo Hristov wrote:

I have created the Bulgarian locale XML file in OpenOffice in consistent with 
the
Bulgarian Standarts some years ago.
Why was this patch has been proposed? What issue it fixes?


The patch was proposed to our QA list back in June, see
http://www.mail-archive.com/qa@openoffice.apache.org/msg02576.html
and the replies.

It claims to fix this problem: In Your Bulgarian localization decimal 
symbol is comma, but most used is dot.


It does much much more than that, as you can see from the diff I posted 
to https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126470 and precisely 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84884


I'm CCing Boyan Alexiev who proposed the patch. In short: if you manage 
to discuss it (even privately, outside mailing lists) and agree, please 
post here on l10n or in the issue what changes, if any, should be done, 
and we will consider them for 4.1.2. If no changes are needed, all 
locale settings for Bulgarian will remain the same between 4.1.1 and 
4.1.2 (but I would still appreciate if we settle the issue).


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Bulgarian locale check for 4.1.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

If you look at this issue
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126470
you will see a number of possible changes suggested for the Bulgarian 
locale (the way we format numbers and dates when writing in Bulgarian).


Could someone who speaks Bulgarian please take a look? If it sounds 
complex, for a start it would be helpful to know whether you use (for a 
number) 12.3 or 12,3 as the most common syntax. The patch supposedly 
changes 12.3 to 12,3 but it also does a number of other replacements 
that should be validated.


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Re: New Pootle Account

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/08/2015 Aga Mucko wrote:

my name is Aga Mucko.
Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are
under the Apache 2 license and I will work on Polish.
My preferred username is agapy.


Welcome! Account agapy created and enabled for Polish.

Please go to
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/password/reset/
to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/pl/aoo40/
(about 300 words are needing translation now)

A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

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Re: New Pootle Account

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On 31/07/2015 Milagros Amado Mier wrote:

  Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are under
  the Apache 2 license and I will work on Spanish (from English into Spanish)
  My preferred username is  amadomierm


Welcome, Milagros! Account amadomierm created and enabled for Spanish. 
Your qualifications are very good and I hope you'll enjoy volunteering 
in the project. I'm sorry for this initial delay, we are volunteers here 
and we tend to be quite busy.


Please go to
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to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/es/aoo40/

A detailed Pootle guide is available at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

That said, Spanish is already 100% complete, so at the moment you will 
not use the above account unless you want to fix an existing translation.


One helpful task you could do in the short term is reviewing the Spanish 
version of our site: http://www.openoffice.org/es/ and reporting on this 
list any fixes that need to be done there. Then we will see how to apply 
them.


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Re: Dictionary updates for OpenOffice 4.1.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

I have reopened the case since the English dictionaries (at least the
en_GB) have thousands of new words since the last AOO release a year ago.


Thank you Marco! I moved it to a new issue 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126454 for better tracking 
(that one was already closed) and I'll make sure we update the English 
dictionary.


I didn't explicitly write it in my previous message, but of course the 
same process/deadlines hold for adding a new dictionary for a language.


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Dictionary updates for OpenOffice 4.1.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

If you want a dictionary to be updated in OpenOffice 4.1.2, please open 
an issue like https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125965 (note: 
for non-English builds, you will use the Native-Lang component) AND 
notify this list, or just notify this list.


Dictionary updates suggested within the next week (by 16 August) will be 
included in OpenOffice 4.1.2. It will still be possible to suggest 
updates later, but I can't guarantee that we will have time to include them.


Please remember to ALWAYS notify this list: Bugzilla has a lot of noise 
and if an issue is not filed properly we may miss it.


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Re: New Pootle Account

[Andrea Pescetti]

Aga Mucko wrote:

why? I have followed these instructions:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide/Registration_and_Login


And you did the right thing! Your account will be created as soon as 
possible.


Nick: this is a discussion list. If you subscribed to it (and you 
clearly did), you will receive all messages sent to 
l10n@openoffice.apache.org ; see 
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html for more.


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Localization updates for OpenOffice 4.1.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

OpenOffice 4.1.2 is in the works. If you have any localization updates, 
please act by July 31st. See below for more.


## Introduction

This is a x.y.2 release: we are not changing the strings in the user 
interface, so in principle translations do not need updates.


Pootle is now tracking trunk (version 4.2.0) and not 4.1.2, so recent 
work done on Pootle can't readily be reused.


## Category 1: Released languages.

These are the languages where 4.1.1 is already available at 
https://www.openoffice.org/download/


In this case in principle we are not going to import translations again. 
If you have very important blockers (like, a main menu item that is to 
be fixed) then:

1) Fix it in Pootle (for version 4.2.0)
2) Send all information about the fix here (or -best- in Bugzilla, and 
link here)

3) We will manually apply the fix for 4.1.2
4) You will test the new version

## Category 2: New languages.

These are the languages where 4.1.1 is NOT available at 
https://www.openoffice.org/download/


In this case we are only acting upon request. If you believe that you 
can have a translation 100% ready in Pootle by July 31st, please state 
it here and we will see what we can do (the problem, again, being: 
Pootle already tracks version 4.2.0 and not version 4.1.2).


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Re: Localization updates for OpenOffice 4.1.2

[Andrea Pescetti]

Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:

When exactly was Pootle switched to version 4.2.0?


It actually happened a lot of time ago, back in November:
http://markmail.org/thread/gp4srcxgwozteskj

At that time, we thought that the next version would be 4.2.0; this is 
still the long-term plan, but we are now going to release another update 
in the 4.1.x series, i.e., 4.1.2, before it. Of course your new work 
won't be lost: just it won't appear in 4.1.2 but in later releases.



The last update to the language files I made was on Tue 19 May 2015
10:11:02, will the update be incorporated into the upcoming release?


No, unless you ask for specific fixes (but I mean 2-3 fixes per 
language). To state it better, 4.1.2 is a bugfix release and it has no 
new strings, so translations should be untouched; we are anyway going to 
allow to port a few specific fixes if some really annoying translation 
errors are present in 4.1.1.


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Re: New Pootle Account

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 09/07/2015 Roman Kononenko wrote:

  Hello my name is Roman Kononenko and I'm a student at Cornell.
  Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are under
  the Apache 2 license and I will work on Ukrainian language
  My preferred username is  rkononenko


Welcome! Account rkononenko created and enabled for Ukrainian.

Please go to
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to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/uk/aoo40/

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Re: new pootle account

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Necdet Yücel wrote:

My name is Necdet Yücel. Please create a Pootle account for me. I state
that my contributions are under the Apache 2 license and I will work on
English to Turkish translations. My preferred username is nyucel.


Welcome, and sorry for the delay!

Account nyucel created and enabled for Turkish.

Please go to
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to receive your password.

Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
https://translate.apache.org/tr/aoo40/
(currently already at 100%; at 
https://translate.apache.org/tr/aoo40help/ you can localize the help 
though).


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http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide

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Re: New Pootle account

[Andrea Pescetti]

Hamidi Massinissa wrote:

my name is Massinissa Hamidi. Please create a Pootle account for me.
I state that my contributions are under the Apache 2 license and I will
work on Kabyle. My preferred username is massinissaHamidi.


Welcome and sorry for the delay! Account massinissahamidi (all 
lowercase) created and enabled for Kabyle.


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Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
and translate at
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Re: New Pootle Account

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 27/04/2015 Ville-Valtteri Kuusisto wrote:

Hello my name is Ville-Valtteri Kuusisto
  Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are under
  the Apache 2 license and I will work on English to Finnish translations
  My preferred username is  TheWiller97



Welcome, and sorry for the delay, I had missed your message! Account 
thewiller97 created and enabled for Finnish.


Please go to
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Then you will able to login at
https://translate.apache.org/accounts/login/
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Re: New Pootle Account

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 12/05/2015 Belkacem Mohammed wrote:

We are a team of developpers and translators and wish to launch a
translation for our language (Kabyle). A language of algerian berbers.I
noticed that a project for Kabyle translation was initiated but almost
nothing was done.
Please, can we take ownership of this project


Hi, we don't have official owners of the Kabyle translation (or any 
other translations, for this matter). I'm CCing Yacine who did the work 
you can see online now. I suggest that you simply coordinate in order 
not to overlap and we welcome contributions from the new team!


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Re: Spanish translation

[Andrea Pescetti]

Juan C. Sanz wrote:

Same days ago we finished to translate into Spanish some remaining
strings. Do we need to do something to incorporate the new translation
in next liberation, or is it taken automatically?


The next version will be 4.1.2, while Pootle already contains strings 
for the version after it (4.2.0).


So what you did in Pootle will be used for 4.2.0, and you will be asked 
to open an issue for it at due time.


Since strings in 4.1.2 are the same as 4.1.1 but are different from 
4.2.0, extracting updated string for 4.1.2 from your recent work is 
tricky. It is not impossible tough, but at the moment we have no plans 
to update existing translations in 4.1.2 (meaning: we will use the same 
translations we have for 4.1.1 for the already released languages). This 
may change if people believe they made important fixes for 4.1.2.


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Re: New Pootle Account

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Lwennas Ait oukaci wrote:

Hello my name is Lwennas Ait oukaci  and I am from  Kabylia. Please
create a Pootle account for me.
I state that my contributions are under the Apache 2 license and I will
work on ...Kabyle...
My preferred username is  ... lwennasaqvayli ...


Welcome! Account lwennasaqvayli created and enabled for your Kabyle. I 
assume you are part of the new team, so please coordinate with them.


Please go to
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Then you will able to login at
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Re: New Pootle Account

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 08/05/2015 Belkacem Mohammed wrote:

Hello my name is Belkacem Mohammed
Please create a Pootle account for me. I state that my contributions are
under
the Apache 2 license and I will work on Kabyle Language
My preferred username is  MuhNatBelqasem



Welcome! Account muhnatbelqasem (lowercase) created and enabled for Kabyle.

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Then you will able to login at
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  Andrea.

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