Dear Gernot,
The composer who has caused me the most concern over fingering is Fuenllana.
There are many instances where he could have made life easier for everyone.
I don't know if being blind was an issue here. I doubt it. What occurred to
me is that some odd fingerings could have resulted from
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I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money
was taken out of my
I wrote to the company saying that the download failed, and they sent me
downloads of the booklet but not the sound files...I've replied asking
specifically for the sound files. I've downloaded many mp3s from various
sites, with no problem at all. I hope this is a one-off.
Rob
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/second... It took the day !
They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable.
Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose !
Best,
Jean-Marie
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The company have very kindly and very promptly returned my money.
I'm so sorry this didn't work out. I want to encourage downloads, especially
as discs are so hard to find. I've had a few thousand downloads of mp3s on
my own website - a free service. Why is it so much harder when money is
inside the
pegbox.
Urs Leo
Rob MacKillop wrote:
I brought this home on Tuesday from Malcolm Prior's workshop - a stunning
theorbo in A, 85cms string length.
I've uploaded a photographic history of its construction, and an mp3 file
of
Piccinini's Corrente Prima - a slower than I would
for the bowl and beech for the neck? Or does the neck has a
pine core?
The neck doesn't seem to veneered, but stained black and red inside the
pegbox.
Urs Leo
Rob MacKillop wrote:
I brought this home on Tuesday from Malcolm Prior's workshop - a stunning
theorbo in A, 85cms string length
versa of course. Ultimately it is meaningless. The
performance at the moment is all that matters, and that performance in front
of a lute audience seemed to me to be near perfect. If I was a pro waiting
to go on after you, I would have felt very uncomfortable indeed!
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lutes (not baroque) such as a 7c, what
difference
in tone might one expect from a multi-ribbed back as opposed to wide
ribs?
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PS: the shoulder is not troubling you anymore, especially with the new
theorbo?
Thanks for asking, David. Oddly, or not, I have less trouble with the
theorbo. Must be using the muscles in a different way. I now play about an
hour a day, in
Confession time: I was originally thinking of a 7c, then played Malcolm
Prior's 10c (before it was shipped to Germany), and decided on one of those,
at 64cms. Now I'm thinking 7c again...I drive myself and everyone around me
crazy sometimes. So what do I want it for? I don't have a lute in
No, it hasn't. Please send me it privately or try again to the list. I'm
very much interested in what you have to say, Stewart.
Rob
On 02/04/2008, Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Test 17
My message sent yesterday to Rob MacKillop about 64 cm lutes does not
seem to have come through
A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c. Sorry, not
interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or another. I'll go
either 7 or 10. Probably 7.
Thanks for the suggestions, nonetheless!
Cheers,
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Thanks to everyone for their input. I've decided instead to get a Fender
Stratocaster - covers most things from Francesco to Jimi, and costs a lot
less.
Jean-Marie - I used to have an 8c (seems like a thousand years ago) on which
(at the advice of Jacob Lindberg) I swaped the bottom two courses
Stainer and Bell in the UK have published all Dowland's songs in reliable
modern editions - including lute tablature and transcription:
http://www.stainer.co.uk/dowland.html
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books
Stainer and Bell in the UK have published all Dowland's songs in
reliable
modern editions - including lute tablature and transcription:
http://www.stainer.co.uk/dowland.html
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I have a friend I push around in a wheel chair. We pull that trick every
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Rob
On 03/04/2008, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David
You forgot two of my favourite whiskies, Bruichladdich and
Clynelish.
A friend of mine found a very ancient Bruichladdich at
using on your laptop? And
how do you avoid picking up fan noise?
Stephen
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Subject: [LUTE] Kapsberger mp3s
Passacaglia in Am, Canario and Kapsberger.
Scroll
I've just been informed my Malcolm Prior that I had the wrong diapason
string length on my web page. It should say 168cms, not 164.
Just thought I'd mention it...
Rob
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Looking forward to trying them some day. Thanks for that, Anthony - and
Mimmo, of course.
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Hi Stephen and Vance,
I've just checked my facsimile - definitely in duple time and seems to me to
be notated correctly. I personally would not play it too slowly.
Rob MacKillop
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Greetings. I notice the Pisador vihuela Pavana muy llana
On 13/04/2008, Stephen Kenyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If playing in duple where would the stress fall?
Upon the player...
Rob
PS Sorry about that flippant response - I'm suffering from flu at the
moment, and don't feel up to what you are asking of me (my fault, not yours
- I'm happy to
...
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I've just been listening to Bart Roose's very good recording of music by
Neusidler (www.passacaille.be) - it has raised the profile of Neuslider for
me at least. Anyway, there is one track which clocks in at 12 minutes 38
seconds - Ein sehr kunstreicher Preambel oder Fantasey. Is this the longest
and I
don't recall the name.
Guy
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I've just been listening to Bart Roose's very good recording of music by
Neusidler
Luthier Malcolm Prior has updated his website:
http://www.malcolmprior.co.uk/index.htm - he took some time out when his
wife started having children. He is now fully back into lute making and has
a fairly short waiting time, as well as non-commissioned instruments coming
up for sale. Highly
or cry...
Rob MacKillop
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Just a thought - maybe he is one of us? The Phantom Lurker?
I was going to write to him and the guy who wrote the article, but thought
better of it. We reap what we sow. It's not the first time I've had
quotation remarks around comments I never made. Seems to be the way
reporters work.
Is there any possibility that this will be translated into English?
Rob
On 17/04/2008, Mathias R=F6sel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please excuse tze shameless ad: Order Fundamenta der Lauten-Musique from
Deutsche Lautengesellschaft. It's a tutor for continuo with 11c lute in
D minor tuning.
Dear all, I think my original Subject line of 'Aarrrgg!!!' still holds!
Rob
On 18/04/2008, gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
former Vice Presidents who claim to have invented the Internet and be
the Fount of All Knowledge regarding global warming come immediately to
mind.
Interesting, as always, Roman. We generally read that the lute came to
Europe through Spain and Italy from North Africa, but you seem to be saying
that northern Europe had its own tradition? Am I reading you correctly?
Rob
2008/4/24 Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A half dozen interesting
available, and Bach's 2nd suite for cello on 11c. Much more to follow in due
course.
Cheers,
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, if Greysteil no longer exists)?
Best
Alan
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I've decided to put all my mp3 sound files on a dedicated website called
Song
Monica's statement was originally on the Vihuela list...
BTW, Ray is wrong - we (well, some of us, not me, and probably not you) do
kill those whose beliefs we disagree with. I also doubt whether medieval man
smelt worse than one of my students...and I haven't yet met a soprano who
didn't think
This is a beautiful piece by Robert de Visee, with the 11th course lowered
to B. I've just uploaded an mp3 of it to www.songoftherose.co.uk - please
note that I've added an Updates link for easy access to files added since
your last visit. You can find the link to the Tombeau there or on the
Beautiful, Martin, and very sensitively played!
Rob
2008/4/29 Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dear All,
In the nick of time, before April turns into May, there is a new piece of
the month: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm
Do let me know what you think - sending parcels off
personalising this for one moment. There was an internet
discussion many years ago (I can't recall if it was here or elsewhere) about
ornamentation in early music, and one guy said 'you should here Rob
MacKillop - he ornaments on every other note' - this came as a surprise
because I didn't think I
Dear Ron,
I'd like to thank you, in turn, for your thoughtful reply. If I take issue
with one or two points, it is nothing personal - I'm just thinking out loud.
1. How can you say that you 'can state this without reservation' that
'everyone in the sixteenth century who was fortunate enough to
What evidence is there for the theorbo being used in Spain?
Rob
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-1658) and Antonio Sol=EDs (1610-1686).
Rob MacKillop wrote:
What evidence is there for the theorbo being used in Spain?
Rob
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Rob
2008/5/1 Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Volume 9 is now out in the USA.
Hardcopy from Amazon: http://snipurl.com/26pdk
mp3 from Amazon: http://snipurl.com/26pdw
iTunes store: http://snipurl.com/26pe5
I think
Visa
card which gives me an additional 5% off all purchases. It's a pretty good
deal.
DS
On May 2, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
Interesting to see that Amazon are selling mp3 files of the whole disc.
Rob
2008/5/1 Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Volume 9 is now out
Well, you could start by translating every Portuguese guitar book or
manuscript from the 17th to 19th centuries...Too much to ask? Oh well...
Seriously, Bruno, I appreciate your offer, and if I come across something I
need translated, I'll get in touch. Many thanks.
Rob
2008/5/8 Bruno Correia
is needed.
Rob MacKillop
2008/5/8 Daniel Ramey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Greetings All,
I am a rare poster to this list, but I was practicing last night and
found an interesting issue cropping up.I am a beginning lute player and
most of the songs I have learned to this point have been out
Got your new Gottlieb 11c, Anthony?
Rob
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They also have it here, along with other inexpensive lutes and related
oddities:
http://www.celticrenaissancemusic.com/lutes
They say there is a soundfile as well, though I haven't heard it.
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Well done, Ron. Nice to hear the viol in there.
Rob
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I have uploaded to the new Lute online community a keyboard arrangement of
the string parts to Vivaldi's D Major concerto for lute - useful for
practising with a harpsichord.
http://lutegroup.ning.com/
Rob
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Ever one to jump on a bandwagon...
The Lute and Baroque Lute lists now have a useful network site, as does the
cittern crowd. Now we have the vihuela-baroque guitar social network
website:
http://earlyguitar.ning.com/
What is there? Well, you can discuss things in a forum, upload photos, pdf
That's been around for a while. Funny watching again, though.
Rob
2008/5/18 Benjamin Narvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long timea mockumentary
that
deals withe the wherefore and why of being a lute player; heavy emphasis on
the former!
Well done, David! What a nice piece. I've read through Zamboni's music and
thought it well worth playing and hearing - like Weiss but not as hard,
although some of the pieces do require a 14c archlute, but are playable,
sort of, on a 10c. Anyway, thanks for that and well done!
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Is there any evidence, pictorial or otherwise, for an octave pairing on the
fourth course of a 7c lute? In other words - a 6c lute plus a seventh
course? It's hard to believe that all sixes were strung one way and all
sevens another way.
Rob MacKillop
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Hi John,
You should post more often. That was an interesting comment. John Dowland
complaining...imagine that! Seriously though, it is interesting you are
playing the Pesaro ms on a 7c - or, on re-reading your comment, you are
considering it. I like the octave on the fourth and lament its
seen before, and comments are welcome,
leading to discussion.
So, I think these networks have their place and are most welcome. But I am
happy to still read and enquire on this list. Hopefully both can live in
harmony together. I'm sure they can.
Discuss...
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never noticed the video tape had run out...Geez, I need to go for a long
walk!
Still, I hope you get something from these efforts. Was it worth it?
Probably not! Go to www.vimeo.com and search for MacKillop.
Rob MacKillop
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Six short videos of pieces from Wemyss, Straloch and Panmure manuscripts:
http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos
Cheers,
Rob
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I should have mentioned that on the wall behind my head on the new videos is
a map of Scotland by Robert Gordon of Straloch...
Rob
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Thanks Ed. Looking forward to your videos someday!
Rob
2008/5/27 Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Very lovely, Rob! I love the music from Wemyss MS.
Thanks,
ed
At 06:44 PM 5/27/2008 +0100, Rob MacKillop wrote:
Six short videos of pieces from Wemyss, Straloch and Panmure
manuscripts
Somone asked me about my strumming techniques so I've added a video on
strumming the baroque guitar here:
http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos
It's more MacKillop than Corbetta, but you might get something out of it.
Not sure about doing it on the lute, though!
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Not so far...
Rob
2008/5/29 LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sounds like you were having fun, Rob. Do you ever knock a bar out of place,
or seriously damage the top? I have some rather deep scratches (woodchips
coming out of the top) and recently needed a loose bar fixed. There are
players I
A helpful note from the maker of the guitar:
''As for the proposed idea of soundboard bars getting loose, there are some
precautionary measures against this in your guitar - bar end supports. So
with the kind of strumming / hitting that you do the bars should be fine,
unless you hit really
Wear your scars with pride!
Rob
2008/5/29 LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well done! Then, I'll blame the dry weather for the loose bar and old age
for the scarred top. My guitar is 20 years old by now.
David
David van Ooijen
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to
the Lutes and Early Guitars Channel, which is:
http://www.vimeo.com/Francesco
Visitors welcome.
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Visitors welcome.
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I used to have a 12c. You can see it on David Van Edwards' site. I bought it
second hand, so had no choice in model, woods, measurements etc. My
understanding is that the larger instruments work better. I didn't have it
long enough to get into the specific repertoire for it, and to be honest,
the
say, and all the best,
Jean-Marie Poirier (from France)
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on 22/5/08 8:14 pm, Rob MacKillop at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So what do we think of the new 'social network' sites? There is one for
lute, one for cittern and one for early guitars/vihuelas
are not subscribers here.
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Thanks, Denys. That sounds an ideal starting place.
I've just read this from Chris Wilson's review of the 1997 International
Symposium on Francesco:
Dinko Fabris had some intriguing new possibilities concerning Francesco's
early years. He had uncovered in church records in Barletta, near Bari
John Griffiths' book on Neapolitan Lute Music looks very informative - you
can read some of it on Google Books:
*http://tinyurl.com/5cjr6v*
These links to Google Books are not always successful.
Looks like the works of Dentice and Severino could be added to the
viola/vihuela repertoire.
Rob
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Thanks Antonio.
So, allow me to simplify things, at least for my own benefit, and forgive me
if I over simplify. I'm just thinking out loud...
The vihuela de mano was created in Valencia and found its way to Naples
where it became popular, more popular than the lute. Some Italian makers
started
repertoire from the first half of the sixteenth century,
as witnessed by the 1536 della Fortuna prints for viola a mano ovvero
liuto.
Best wishes,
Antonio
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Thanks Gary. The claim is that he played 'viol' - plucked or bowed was not
specified. See earlier comment by Antonio.
Rob
2008/6/5 gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I seem to recall reading that Francesco played viola da gamba as well as
lute.
Gary
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I don't have a 6c and have never read Francesco's works on such an
instrument, but I would like to know from the collective experience here at
what length of string does it become very difficult to play his works? The
lute in the portrait of him playing (if it is indeed him) seems to have
quite a
playing where you're demonstrating
strums. it really swings!!
Jerry
http://www.jerrywillard.com
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Subject: [VIHUELA
I couldn't get any of the sound files to work. Pity.
Rob
2008/6/5 LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sabbatum.com/
:-)
David
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Well, lads, I hope you can make a recording sometime of Francesco plumbing
the depths. I'm sure it would sound splendid. The duets would be amazing. We
await...
Rob
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Forwarding this from the Early Music Fora - although it is from Chris
Goodwin of the Lute Society, I haven't seen it here...
Dear FoMRHI member
You will be pleased to hear that after 6 years of silence, the Fellowship of
Makers and Researchers of Historical Instruments, and its Quarterly
I was looking for images of the 'vertical' keyboard, but couldn't see any.
Nice sound files, though.
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Dear Wisdom,
What lute and voice settings are there of poems by John Donne (a long-time
favourite poet of mine)? I'm also interested in settings for viols and voice
or voices.
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Dowland? Which song?
Together with Marlow, Donne and Dowland shared the same female patron, Lucy,
Countess of Bedford. I suppose a concert programme of the three has been
done many times?
Rob
2008/6/16 howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Rob MacKillop wrote:
What lute and voice settings
Three cheers! Good luck with your new lute, Anthony. One day we will hear
it. Until then, how about some pictures on the lute network site?
Rob
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But does it beat at 415 pitch?
Rob
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It looks very beautiful, Anthony. Take your time with it. You have to grow
into each other. That takes time. Subtle instruments live longer in your
heart.
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If they were at all common why don't we see them in iconography?
There is indeed a painting which clearly shows tastini - but I can't
remember where I saw it! Sorry...
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I borrowed a friends camera - better quality than mine. It looked great on
the camera viewer, but quite dark when uploaded.
You might notice that I have strung my 11c temporarily as a 10c in viel
ton...
Here is the link:
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Really beautiful, Martin. A fine piece and very fine playing. Isn't the
Internet a wonderful thing when used positvely and creatively? And what a
wonderful resource your website is already, with more to come. Keep up the
good work!
Rob McKillop
2008/6/20 Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dear
Two pieces from the Rowallan ms, the weird Gypsies Lilt, and the beautiful I
Long For Thy Virginitie. Looks like I need my eighth fret tightened...
http://www.vimeo.com/1204178
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Very rare footage:
http://www.vimeo.com/1204502
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, no matter what level. So, get those cameras rolling!
Rob
2008/6/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Beautiful, Rob. All of this discussion of tuning and strings is all well
and good, (and interesting) but you cut to the chase with your sensitive
playing and show us what it's all about.
Kerry
Rob MacKillop
Fuenllana has a few moments where the third finger has to cover two courses,
four strings. I could get it right about 90 per cent of the time by using
one finger, as the courses on my vihuela were very close. But it is a case
of swings and roundabouts. Sometimes we want the courses close,
in the interim.
Kerry
Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks to Kerry and for all the other positive comments I've received.
Performance is everything, whether you are a beginner or a long-standing
professional. What I like about the technology we have now is the ability
to
see the lute being
and enthusiasts. Would-be contributors (essays, mp3
files, videos, biography) should contact Rob MacKillop,
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2008/6/29 Mathias R=F6sel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I once had to stand up with my arhlute on strap so as to get the sheets
on the stand into proper order. When I sat down I realized great relief
on the faces of the audience.
Mathias
Nothing to do with your zipper being undone?
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2008/6/29 Nigel Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I recently tuned my 72cm 13-course down to a tone below 415 (with strings
intended for 392, so half a tone lower than that) and it really came to
life. Could it be the lower tension strings (now around 3.5 on the top
course, basses around 2.5,
Oops.
I'm convinced that low tension is the way to go. I tune my 11c to 392. You
can hear it here: www.songoftherose.co.uk - click on baroque lute.
Rob
2008/6/29 Nigel Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I recently tuned my 72cm 13-course down to a tone below 415 (with strings
intended for 392, so
No.
But my brain is another issue...
Rob
2008/7/8 Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do you folks using very low tension have a problem with string rattle?
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I'm also happy to report that the Vimeo site for lute video performances now
has 101 videos!
http://www.vimeo.com/Francesco
You don't need to log in to watch, and the sound and vision is better than
You-know-who-Tube.
Rob MacKillop
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I have to do that, and I'll do it in a few minutes time. The more, the
merrier.
Rob
2008/7/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Rob and all,
I just put my Biber to vimeo. But how do I put/move it to your Francesco?
Arto
On 7/11/2008, Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm also happy
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