Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
paul stenquist wrote: On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: My opinion after working / trying to work with LR is that I much prefer Photoshop. I'm particularly irked that it does not let me resize my image at any time in the editing process. I think

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Glad I read this thread - now I know I'll never wan't lightroom :-)   I also like doing my resizing on an individual basis depending on what the intended use of the particular photo is. If you believe that you cannot set

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-14 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 6, 2010, at 13:35, Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: lightroom is only useful for editing multiple pictures (batches of 10-20 or a 100+ images) at once. I completely and utterly disagree with you. yes, it is GOOD at that, but that doesn't mean that is the only time it is useful! it is

RE: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Bob W
Thanks for that insight Mark. I was close to on the verge of understanding that. And of course in PS, that's one of the things that bites me frequently. Not damaging my original, but creating a sized version that I have trouble recreating later, sized differently. I feel a certain degree

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread George Sinos
Just jumping in here. I just saw a short interview with Scott Kelby. He was asked about his use of Lightroom and Photoshop. He said that is a little strange that the guy known as the Photoshop king does about 80% of his work in Lightroom. He also said that when he does go to Photoshop it is

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread William Robb
-- From: George Sinos Subject: Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3 Just jumping in here. I just saw a short interview with Scott Kelby. He was asked about his use of Lightroom and Photoshop. He said that is a little strange that the guy known

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 7, 2010, at 11:08 AM, William Robb wrote: -- From: George Sinos Subject: Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3 Just jumping in here. I just saw a short interview with Scott Kelby. He was asked about his use of Lightroom and Photoshop

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Cotty
As a slight aside here, I have been using Photoshop CS (version 8) for a few years and never updated past that - but since I have effectively stopped my stills photography, I am now using CS more and more for a lot of my video graphics. The nice thing about it is I can save the artwork as .PSD

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Tom C
In my world at least,and I suspect in many others, proflic great, prolific good. The good ones, ones worth keeping are far and few between, and the excellent ones even more rare. So routinely running a bunch of images through a workflow, only to have done so, and then writing them to some

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: ... So do those of you using workflow do it largely for organizational purposes? The question is rather odd. The term workflow can be applied to any sequenced series of steps that take you from one state to another in

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Tom C
I don't find it odd at all. Of course, I asked it. What I find odd is that one would use an *automated* *image adjustment workflow* in a manner that is like taking ones images to a 3rd party processor and having all images processed using the same parameters. One might get consistently mediocre

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread William Robb
-- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3 In my world at least,and I suspect in many others, proflic great, prolific good. The good ones, ones worth keeping are far and few between, and the excellent ones even more rare. So

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread steve harley
On 2010-08-07 13:43 , Tom C wrote: So do those of you using workflow do it largely for organizational purposes? yes, my workflow is largely about organization; early on i set aside the larger portion of images, but i also quickly process them in order to be able to find them later, except

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: What I find odd is that one would use an *automated* *image adjustment workflow* in a manner that is like taking ones images to a 3rd party processor and having all images processed using the same parameters. ... a) Who said

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Tom C
As is often the case, you assume I know much less than I do, and therefore interpret what I write as if I'm a total neophyte which is not the case. Maybe that's because you perceive yourself as superior? You didn't tell me one thing there that I didn't already know. Nor did I make a statement

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
As is so often the case, what you wrote evidently didn't match what you meant to say. I'm sorry, I can't divine your intended meaning if you don't know how to write comprehensible English. I've been using Lightroom through all beta and release versions for five years, have produced 6,000+

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Tom C
You still didn't get it. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: As is so often the case, what you wrote evidently didn't match what you meant to say. I'm sorry, I can't divine your intended meaning if you don't know how to write comprehensible English.

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Ah, you want to be a clown. I get it. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: You still didn't get it. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: As is so often the case, what you wrote evidently didn't match what you meant to say. I'm

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Tom C
And you want to be an ***. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: You still didn't get it. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: As is so often the case, what you wrote evidently didn't match what you meant to say. I'm sorry,

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread steve harley
On 2010-08-07 14:33 , Tom C wrote: I don't find it odd at all. Of course, I asked it. What I find odd is that one would use an *automated* *image adjustment workflow* in a manner that is like taking ones images to a 3rd party processor and having all images processed using the same parameters.

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Being called an *** by a clown reflects on the clown more than the ***. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: And you want to be an ***. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: You still didn't get it. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:05

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
Tom! I just spent some of my valuable time left in my life reading every one of these posts about P.S., Lightroom, Aperture. I'm not sure why. But I will say that it appears to me that you are the one not getting it. You asked the question. These others are trying to help you understand

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/8/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Being called an *** by a clown reflects on the clown more than the ***. You guys should count your blessings. I am regularly called a * *** *** * ** . -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places,

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 7/8/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Being called an *** by a clown reflects on the clown more than the ***. You guys should count your blessings. I am regularly called a * *** *** * ** .

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 7, 2010, at 16:19 , Cotty wrote: On 7/8/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Being called an *** by a clown reflects on the clown more than the ***. You guys should count your blessings. I am regularly called a * *** *** * ** . By the

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread steve harley
On 2010-08-06 12:08 , Tom C wrote: My opinion after working / trying to work with LR is that I much prefer Photoshop. I'm particularly irked that it does not let me resize my image at any time in the editing process. (i've dabbled with LR, but most of my experience is with Aperture -- the

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Luka Knezevic-Strika
lightroom is only useful for editing multiple pictures (batches of 10-20 or a 100+ images) at once. it is also great for cataloguing and it's perfect for tracking back all your changes. for editing a couple of pictures when you know what you want to do with them, ps can be better. still, the

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 6, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Tom C wrote: I've recently started carrying a corporate laptop and have been Photoshopless on the road. I downloaded CS5 trial, now expired, and now have a trial version of LR3. I'm sure the differences between PS and LR have been discussed ad nauseum, yet I'm

RE: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Bob W
I've recently started carrying a corporate laptop and have been Photoshopless on the road. I downloaded CS5 trial, now expired, and now have a trial version of LR3. I'm sure the differences between PS and LR have been discussed ad nauseum, yet I'm still curious about how others feel they

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I've recently started carrying a corporate laptop and have been Photoshopless on the road. I downloaded CS5 trial, now expired,  and now have a trial version of LR3. I'm sure the differences between PS and LR have been discussed

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Tom C wrote: My opinion after working / trying to work with LR is that I much prefer Photoshop. I'm particularly irked that it does not let me resize my image at any time in the editing process. I think you're missing the point of Lightroom a little. It doesn't let you resize your image, it

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread David Parsons
Lightroom is best compared as Bridge+PS Lite, rather than a direct replacement to PS. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:01 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Aug 6, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Tom C wrote: I've recently started carrying a corporate laptop and have been Photoshopless on the

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: My opinion after working / trying to work with LR is that I much prefer Photoshop. I'm particularly irked that it does not let me resize my image at any time in the editing process. I think you're missing the point of

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:26 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: For the most part, PhotoShop does the same thing when working with RAW images. The original DNG or PEF file remains after you create a tiff, and a simple click on camera default takes you right back to where you

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:26 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: For the most part, PhotoShop does the same thing when working with RAW images. The original DNG or PEF file remains after you create a tiff, and a simple

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread P. J. Alling
In my experience, that's been true of every raw converter I've tried. None of them alter your original image, some keep your changes in a data base, some keep your changes in a side car file, but the original file is left untouched. On 8/6/2010 8:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote:

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Good to know. But I'm rather stuck in my ways and probably won't change. If I had you here to tutor me for two days or so, I might consider it:-). But I just cringe at the though of converting my 100,000 plus

RE: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread John Coyle
I've stayed out of the recent discussions of the merits of LR, mainly because of the level of evangelising that happened. I much prefer Photoshop (I use Elements 8, as it does all that I need) for what seems to me to be a more capable program WRT to editing. While the ability in LR to make the

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Tom C
Thanks for that insight Mark. I was close to on the verge of understanding that. And of course in PS, that's one of the things that bites me frequently. Not damaging my original, but creating a sized version that I have trouble recreating later, sized differently. I feel a certain degree of

Re: Adobe CS5 vs. Lightroom 3

2010-08-06 Thread Stan Halpin
I have been sorta tracking this discussion . . . Tom, you seem to imply that LR requires general adjustments across a range of images, e.g., all those imported at one time. Not at all true. Yes, it is possible to make changes to an image (white balance, exposure, etc.) and then to replicate