Shel - I am joining the discussion late as I am just back from a 4-day
holiday trip down to Eureka Springs. I shot about 500 images with my ist-D.
Meg added 8-10 with the Optio. If that were slide film, I would have paid
for one of my two 512mB cards. In the month or so I have had the ist-D, I
How do we know his wasn't a shotgun wedding?
VBSEG
Len
* There's no place like 127.0.0.1
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
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From: Cotty
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
On 28/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
lol! so I take it that you're not married then William?
Twenty wonderful years so far, and I love her more now than I did when I
married her.
Still got
, November 28, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My main stumbling block is the fact that I am in the
country and country
people tend to like things
on paper
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom, your website is fantastic! Your work is beautiful!
Very contemporary and classic...
Thanks.
To answer your question - QLD is short for Queensland,
the sunny state that I live in in Australia. You
it seems the ones that shoot the least complain the most.
Herb
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Sheesh, Herb, everyone has different points
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it seems the ones that shoot the least complain the most.
Ooh, *there's* one for my collection of PDML quotations!
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
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From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
Well, if you go digital, I would recommend you just offer digital
proofing as your standard process. If they balk, offer
topic guys, better get back to the subject at hand, or
I'll be
making enemies already!
tan.x.
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Well, now that you
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:27 AM
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Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it seems the ones that shoot the least complain the most.
Ooh, *there's* one for my collection of PDML quotations!
Some of us have been into photography for a long long time, Herb. After 50 years
or so you don't need to practice a lot.
The interesting thing about these discussions is that most of us do not mention
our specific needs when making comments about digital. TV would lose sales in
the market he
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Some of us have been into photography for a long long time, Herb. After 50
years
or so you don't need to practice a lot.
The interesting thing about these discussions is that most of us do not
mention
our specific needs when making comments about
On 28/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
i've been getting the distinct feeling for the past couple of months, the
ones that are shooting are the ones talking about shooting and photography,
and the ones that aren't, are talking about everything else.
That's us sorted then Frank!
I wish I was
Hi Tanya,
Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist wrote:
Hi there Mike!
Many thanks for your suggestions. The primary reasons I have never taken to
processing
my own films are aged 12 mths, 4 and 6.
Almosy everyone else seems to disagree with me, too. Nothing new
there. I understand your
Some of us have been into photography for a long long time.
After 50 years or so you don't need to practice a lot.
After only 48 years I find that I've still got things to learn,
even in the areas where I consider myself reasonably competent.
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From: John Francis
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Some of us have been into photography for a long long time.
After 50 years or so you don't need to practice a lot.
After only 48 years I find that I've still got things to learn,
even
William Robb wrote:
I can hardly wait to take my large format out after a couple of years of
disuse and see if I can still set it up...
That's your bio. taken care of, then. Myself, I have the visage and
physique of a Greek God, PhD's from two separate universities and I'm
still only 18.
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i've been getting the distinct feeling for the past couple of months, the
ones that are shooting are the ones talking about shooting and photography,
and the ones that aren't, are talking about everything else.
You ain't seen nuthin!
Head over to the rec.photo
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From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
William Robb wrote:
I can hardly wait to take my large format out after a couple of years of
disuse and see if I can still set it up...
That's your bio. taken care of, then. Myself, I
Herb Chong wrote:
i've been getting the distinct feeling for the past couple of months, the
ones that are shooting are the ones talking about shooting and photography,
and the ones that aren't, are talking about everything else.
And, somehow, you manage to do a lot of both!
keith whaley
Of course you do, John. That is obvious to us here on the list.
Yep. It's obvious that several other people could have a lot to
learn, too, if only they were smart enough to recognise the fact.
As a recent study underlined, the last people to recognise their
own shortcomings are the truly
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
lol! so I take it that you're not married then William?
Twenty wonderful years so far, and I love her more now than I did when I
married her.
William Robb
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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 12:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
I think the whole digital thing has to be put in perspective. It IS taking
off. People are trading in their film cameras to get money to buy digital
cameras
.
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From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 1:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
I disagree. Film will die in 35mm and medium format because
digital will soon be better. I see it just like
JCO wrote
I disagree. Film will die in 35mm and medium format because
digital will soon be better. I see it just like what happened
to the home movie market in the 70's. video cameras quickly
killed them and you dont see too many people shooting super-8
film now do you? Those cameras and
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From: Chris Stoddart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
JCO wrote
I disagree. Film will die in 35mm and medium format because
digital will soon be better. I see
is
better than medium format. it's going to become niche even faster than 35mm.
Herb...
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From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
Meanwhile 16mm film is still
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My prediction: Things will eventually quiet down. Digital will be a
strong influence in our society and one that will continue to grow. Film
will still be around and co-exist with digital for many many years.
Eventually film cameras will start to
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From: graywolf
Camera maker's have to be glad for digital right now
or they would have very few sales as folks hang on waiting for better times. I
mean how likely is someone who just got laid off along with 2500 of his
co-workers to go out and but a new high-end
-
From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
SLRs will take longer to go. There's still a huge market for cheap
entry-level SLRs. Students love 'em because used ones are well-built
It's funny that digital photography supporters keep saying that there are no
processing costs in filmless photography. That's only true if you only want
digital files, to email or look at on your monitor. If you want prints, you
still have to pay for them.
For the working pro, printing only the
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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 2:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
How much film could you buy for the cost of a given memory
card? IOW, at what point
does the card start paying for itself? And how many cards do
people have?
Bruce Dayton
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
While most of the news photogs have gone that way. And most of the
high-end big
city commercial photogs (though I don't think those guys are using 6mp
DSLR's).
I doubt that most
You have but one memory card? Using MedF, right? The numbers would, of course, be
quite a
bit different with 35mm, of course. It certainly works out well for you, that's for
sure.
I've got two 1GB microdrives, at $175 each, for a total of $350. That's
comparable to the cost of one
Hi,
Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist wrote:
Also, my nearest photolab is 3 hours away and currently I send EVERYTHING
away, which to a very impatient
woman, is an absolute nightmare. Digital, in this instance, would be
absolute bliss.
Why do you not process your own? At the most, £200
I would like to see the reletive price breakdown for 10 wall hanger images. Not
for 1000 throwaways. (grin)
--
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
You have but one memory card? Using MedF, right? The numbers would, of course, be
quite a
bit different with 35mm, of course. It certainly works out well for
If you are going to make money with it lease a digital. The lease payments are
100% deductable (at least in the US). Why tie up your capital? And by the time
the lease runs out there will be a better camera available anyway.
--
Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist wrote:
This is a very
Most pros gave up in house processing long ago. Because processing is an $8.00
and hour job. A $100 an hour photographer would be a fool to waste his time on it.
--
mike wilson wrote:
Hi,
Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist wrote:
Also, my nearest photolab is 3 hours away and currently I send
into my computer chair these days
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From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:51 AM
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Hi,
Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist wrote:
Also, my nearest photolab is 3 hours
, really,
I am not totally full of myself... I promise *hides head sheepishly*...
;-)
tan.x.
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From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Hi,
Tanya Mayer
to handle that large a file
size! It struggles
with Photoshop 7.0 as it is! hohum, yet another upgrade to think of...
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From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
If you
of Bicycles
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Date: Fri
! ;-)
Sorry, totally off topic guys, better get back to the subject at hand, or
I'll be
making enemies already!
tan.x.
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:47 AM
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Well
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From: graywolf
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
I would bet however that most of the used medium format you are seeing on
the
market is not being dumped by pros but by amateurs like us here on the
list who
can not afford to keep both systems
On 27/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
And how many cards do people have?
3 cards
1 @ 256 MB
2 @ 512 MB
would like more but don't need them.
Cheers,
Cotty
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Hi Bruce ...
You've brought up an interesting point that I was mulling over while making a few
photos earlier.
There's this discussion going on about the cost of working with film v working with
digital,
and, depending on what one wants to throw into the argument (buying a scanner, a
printer,
Never enough
And how many cards do people have?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
If you're happy with your digital camera, great! Just don't keep saying
the
pictures are free.
Noone has said that. They have said film is free, though - those
experimental shots to try different techniques don't
://jcoconnell.com
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From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Um, sorry
I'm up to 9 gigs.
tv
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From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Never enough
And how many cards do people have?
-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist wrote:
Also, my nearest photolab is 3 hours away and currently I
send EVERYTHING
away, which to a very impatient
woman, is an absolute nightmare. Digital, in this
-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer - Photographic Artist
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My main stumbling block is the fact that I am in the
country and country
people tend to like things
on paper. Most turn their nose up in disgust at the idea
of photographs
being on a cd-rom.
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From: Pat White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's funny that digital photography supporters keep saying
that there are no
processing costs in filmless photography.
Who said that?
tv
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Pat White wrote:
It's funny that digital photography supporters keep saying that there
are no processing costs in filmless photography. That's only true if
you only want digital files, to email or look at on your monitor. If
you want prints, you still have to pay for
Maybe some people just enjoy taking a few snaps a month, don't want to spend
time practicing, and much prefer other pleasures. Perhaps photography means
something different to them than it does to you ...
Herb Chong wrote:
in addition to all this, if you are a little bit serious about
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Pat White wrote:
It's funny that digital photography supporters keep saying that there
are no processing costs in filmless photography. That's only true
Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
Maybe some people just enjoy taking a few snaps a month, don't want to
spend
time practicing, and much prefer other pleasures. Perhaps photography
means
they
take take their photography seriously, but they don't seem to.
Herb...
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From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
The vast majority just want to record
Sheesh, Herb, everyone has different points of reference. To some you may be a
rank amateur that practices far too little and couldn't make a quality print if
you sold your soul to the devil.
People have other things to do in their lives - raise a family, put bread on the
table, keep a roof over
Strangely enough sheet film had already gone to where
advanced amateurs and fine arts photographers are the pretty much the
only ones
using it even before digital became a major market contender, so
digital will
not make the inroads there that it will in the smaller formats.
I'd have to agree
Lasse wrote:
I noticed an unusually high number of Pentax 67 and 645 items for sale on
a Swedish second hand online store yesterday.
Is this a sign of the times?
Yes, I believe so.
And in that case, what does the sign tell us?
That if you are interested in that stuff, and wait a little
You mean, I can finally decide to go Medium Format, if I want?
Reasonably priced?
After I got an LX and an MX and an Optio S4?
I thought heaven was already here! g
keith whaley
Dario Bonazza 2 wrote:
Lasse wrote:
I noticed an unusually high number of Pentax 67 and 645 items for sale on
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I noticed an unusually high number of Pentax 67 and 645 items for sale on a
Swedish second hand online store yesterday.
Is this a sign of the times?
And in that case, what does the sign tell us?
Lasse
I disagree. I see no point in buying an *istD to take BW photographs. They will
never replace silver.
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From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An observation re Pentax for sale
IMHO
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From: Mark Stringer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I disagree. I see no point in buying an *istD to take BW
photographs. They will never replace silver.
Hmm. I had a full-on commercial darkroom, which I ditched within a
month of going digital.
In my case digital
Well, remember digital is not the only reason that photo equipment prices are
down. The economy kind of sucks, but should be getting better at this point. My
experience is that photo equipment prices lag the economy by a couple of years
so there should be another couple of years of good buys
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From: Lasse Karlsson
Subject: An observation re Pentax for sale
I noticed an unusually high number of Pentax 67 and 645 items for sale on
a Swedish second hand online store yesterday.
Is this a sign of the times?
And in that case, what does the sign tell us
will always have my digital
camera. I like the technology but...
Really, Chicken Little, the sky is not falling...
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From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
Color did not replace BW. Bayonet mount did not replace screwmount. Who
is going to want these used DSLR's in 5 years? People still covet the LX.
Despite
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From: Mark Stringer
Subject: RE: An observation re Pentax for sale
Digital is useful and may serve some commercial purposes well but there is
a craft to photography. Digital still does not surpass a good film negative
and print. Not even close to what can
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