RE: [pinhole-discussion] Powder vs. Liquid
More important should be the characteristics that you are seeking in your developer. The results you get from Rodinal, for instance, will be very different from what you get with D76. Rodinal, as a liquid, is more convenient to mix, but I would never use it with a film like Tri-X (not to say that someone else might like that combination). Then again, if you mix a liter of D76 stock, then you can dilute it for use very quickly, so you are really only talking about the time savings of a few minutes per month. Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Tue 11/25, gregg b. mc neill gbmcne...@hotmail.com wrote: From: gregg b. mc neill [mailto: gbmcne...@hotmail.com] To: Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:53:08 -0500 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Powder vs. Liquid Does anyone have any preference between powder developer vs. liquid brdeveloper?brbrAs far as convience, It would seem that liquid would be faster.brbrare there any downsides to liquid?brbrthanks in advance for your thoughts...brbrgregg b. mc neillbrbr_brNeed a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are bralways singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! brhttp://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradiobrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Agfa conversion
taco - On closer inspection, it looks like you are using some kind of packaging material to hold the 35mm cannister in place. I am wondering how you know how far to turn the knob that advances the film. Do you basically guess how far to turn it so that it does not overlap the previous picture? Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Mon 11/17, Wolfgang Thoma th...@pandora.be wrote: From: Wolfgang Thoma [mailto: th...@pandora.be] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:29:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Agfa conversion George L Smyth wrote:brbrtaco -brbrGood information there. How did you mount the 35mm cannister, and do you have a means of determining how far to advance the film?brbrCheers -brbrgeorgebrbr brbrGeorge,brI don't know if I understand you right. What do you mean withbrHow did you mount the 35mm cannisterbrIf you mean how I use it? have a look here:brhttp://www.holgamods.com/mods/order/tips1/tips1.html#35mmbrDon't forget to tape the picture counter !!!brtacobrbrbrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Yashica-D Twin Lens Reflex
Thank you very much for the responses. I will now be able to respond to my friend with some experienced answers. Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] road trip
If you apparently have not yet tried 35mm pinhole, chances are that you will not be pleased with the results. I say this because there just isn't much room for definition on such a small piece of film. Of course, that may be what you ar looking for, so you'll need to decide. Making a pinhole cap is pretty simple, so you will definitely want to test things out before going that route. In my mind, you've already got the best of all worlds. If you have been working with 4X5, it is simply a matter of getting a roll back for the camera so that you can use 120 film. A 6X7 back will probably be most affordable, as 6X9 backs are not as readily available and will be more expensive (if anyone knows of an inexpensive 6X9 back that is available, I might be interested). This alternative gives you the flexibility of shooting and reloading in the field, as well as switching to 4X5 when the need arises. Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Sun 10/19, Catherine Just blue_medic...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Catherine Just [mailto: blue_medic...@yahoo.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pinhole-discussion] road trip Hi all,brbrLast year I went to england with a pinhole camera. Ibrmust say I love the images, but the actual processbrwasn't so fun.brbrI enjoyed using the pinhole camera, but didn't likebrhauling the camera, polaroid back, film holders andbrthe portable changing tent everywhere we went. Ibrbrought 5-6 film holders with me and a few boxes forbrexposed film. At the end of it all it was worth it,brbut I'm planning another trip and would love to hearbrany advice on how to make this a lighter load tobrcarry.brbrI thought about getting a pinhole bodycap for a 35mmbrcamera, but I really love using 4x5 film, and polaroidbrfilm too.brbrThanks!brbrCatherine Justbrbr=brCatherine Just PhotographybrWeddings~Portraits~Fine Artbrhttp://www.catherinejust.combr619.294.3195brbrbrDon't just state your intent, Live it. ~Jerry Seiner Jr.brbr__brDo you Yahoo!?brThe New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product searchbrhttp://shopping.yahoo.combrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Green filter question
Understand that infrared film is sensitive to infrared radiation, as well as visible light. Since infrared radiation is beyond the red range, we usually use red filters to remove all but the red visible light, so the film receives red visible light and infrared radiation. You can also use opaque filters to cut out pretty much all visible light. A green filter wouldn't do much of anything. The visible light hitting the film plane would probably overwhelm the infrared radiation, with results very much like normal black and white film. Best would be to start things out by getting a #25 filter and seeing the results from that. Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Wed 10/08, bendur...@aol.com wrote: From: [mailto: bendur...@aol.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:02 -0400 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Green filter question Hi everybody.brI was wondering, I have bought an old conwy Box camera that I am going to fit a zone plate onto, it comes with a green filter I was wondering what happens if I use this with infrared film? does anyone have an Idea?brcheersbrBenbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole scans
James - I always scan the print, not the negative, since my intention is rarely reflected in the unprocessed negative. However, very good quality scanners are reasonably priced these days. One poster mentioned the Epson 2450, which I also have, but got on eBay, so it can be found for less than the $350 mentioned. The great thing about the scanner, besides the excellent quality, is that it will scan 4X5 negatives if you wish to go that route (additionally, you can insert a 6-frame 35mm strip and it will pick out the images and bulk scan them individually - very nice). Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Thu 08/07, James Tittle thetitt...@yahoo.com wrote: From: James Tittle [mailto: thetitt...@yahoo.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole scans Hi I am new to this list and to pinhole photography. Ibrlove it! i see a lot of film pinholes on the sites andbrI wonder if people are scanning these in or printingbrthem and then scaniing in the print. Because if theybrare scanning something larger than 35mm they must havebrsome bucks--is this the case or do most peoplebrprobably scan paper negatives? Any ideas? Thanks. --Jamesbrbr__brDo you Yahoo!?brYahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwarebrhttp://sitebuilder.yahoo.combrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Different cameras
Heidi - One of these days I need to put something like that together. My favorite pinhole camera is a coffee can, which perfectly holds a sheet of 4X5 film. Besides the cameras I have converted for pinhole use (including a 1918 (I think) Kodak Brownie, I have made pinhole cameras from many things, including a film cannister, where I can insert a single 35mm piece of film, and used film boxes. Normally, however, I use foam core to make whatever I want (including a 16X20 camera - talk about unwieldy!). Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Fri 08/08, CRABBE Heidi S h.s.cra...@staffs.ac.uk wrote: From: CRABBE Heidi S [mailto: h.s.cra...@staffs.ac.uk] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:16:24 +0100 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Different cameras brHello,brbrI'm doing a talk about pinhole and I would like to show them how anybrpackaging/containers can be a camera - does anyone know of a websitebrwith pinhole cameras made from different objects? And anyone who makesbrtheir own wooden ones?brbrAny help would be greatly appreciated!brbrThanksbrbrHeidibrbr brbr brbrbrbr-Original Message-brFrom: Richard Heather [mailto:rheat...@slonet.org] brSent: 08 August 2003 00:10brTo: pinhole-discussion@p at ???brSubject: [pinhole-discussion] Giant almost pinhole camera.brbrbrSee this story about a mail truck converted to camera obscura/ darkroom.brSimple lens, almost pinhole..brhttp://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,59929,00.htmlbrRichard Heatherbrbrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/brbrThe information in this email is confidential and is intended solely forbrthe addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. brbrIf you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying,brdistribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance onbrit, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee, is prohibitedbrand may be unlawful. Kindly notify the sender and delete the message andbrany attachment from your computer. brbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] What is the best scanner?
Well, I would simply use the guides - why not? You can automate things so that, by using the guides, it will recognize the images and offer them to you already selected. This allows you to scan them in batches, which I did with a few rolls of slides I took in Spain. The results were excellent, so not using the guide hands you a bunch of disadvantages. Cheers - george - http://www.GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Wed 07/23, Traci Bunkers bonk...@bonkersfiber.com wrote: From: Traci Bunkers [mailto: bonk...@bonkersfiber.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:06:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] What is the best scanner? DAlfrey,brWhen I put my negs on the scanner bed without using the guides, I get thosebrcircles from the negs touching the glass. Does that happen to you? I'm notbrfamiliar with 55 negs, so maybe it doesn't happen with those.br-- brTraci BunkersbrBonkers Handmade Originalsbrhttp://www.bonkersfiber.combrbrbr From: dalf...@aol.combr Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???br Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:42:19 EDTbr To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???br Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] What is the best scanner?br br and the Type 55 neg is a tad larger than the guide ' and I wantbr to include the perforations of the negs , I simply scan them without thebr carrier guides .brbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Panorama characteristics?
I'm going to guess that my answer would be that it is a combination of the angle of view and a format that is wider than a normally wide format (I would guess that the typical 2X3 aspect of 35mm film would be condidered wide). Indeed, you could halve a sheet of 4X5, but if the result was a slit containing a portion of a person's face then I wouldn't consider that a panoramic image (although I could certainly see an argument for it). On a somewhat related comment, you can view my panoramics within the first link in my signature by going to Projects then Ballparks. Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Fri 05/09, CJ Rumpolo rump...@yahoo.com wrote: From: CJ Rumpolo [mailto: rump...@yahoo.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:20:54 -0400 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Panorama characteristics? Hi, sorry to have to ask but I was wondering what exactly qualifies a camerabras being panoramic? Is it the angle of view, the length of the negative, orbra combination of the two? I have been toying with making a curved backedbrpanoramic camera but was wondering if I could just use a portion of abrsmaller negative or even mask off half of a 4x5 piece of film and make 2 2x5brnegatives from a single sheet. Any advice would be most appreciated. CJbrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Finney Pinhole
Well, you are using 35mm film. I made a body cap for my Nikon and got the same results (which is what I wanted). Use medium or large format film and you will get sharper images (you can see my 8X10 pinhole images at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Projects/BearSkins/BearSkins.htm). Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Wed 04/30, Jason Russell jruss...@wishtv.com wrote: From: Jason Russell [mailto: jruss...@wishtv.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:57:19 -0500 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Finney Pinhole Hi all,brbrI bought a Finney Pinhole Body Cap for my Nikon F2 just to play around with.brIt's a very cool product. However, all the pictures are soft (not alwaysbrcool). Should I be getting a sharp image from the body cap? Anyone elsebrout there tried one of these?brbrThanks in advance.brbrJason RussellbrWISH-TVbrIndianapolis, INbrbrOne in the same right now...brhttp://www.jason.russell.name/brhttp://www.mafiainc.biz/brbrIf you go any faster we're gonna travel back through time.brbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD
Bob - Mine will take a little while. I went to the Frederick Keys' game today a took a series of shots. I should have something to present later in the week.Cheers - george-http://GLSmyth.comhttp://DRiPInvesting.org--- On Sun 04/27, Bob Arnott lt; b...@bobarnott.com gt; wrote:From: Bob Arnott [mailto: b...@bobarnott.com]To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:29:40 +0100Subject: [pinhole-discussion] WPPDJust got back from three absorbing hours at the American Military Cemetery,Madingley, Cambridge in the UK. To my brand new 10x8 paper camera and myLochcamera 6x9, so I shot some Ilford Multigrade IV and some KodakEktachrome.I should really have testes the fit of the paper in my new camera as itdidn't fit; I'd made the cut out about 3mm too small in width. I only put5 sheets through it because of that. I made up for the lack of shots withthat camera by taking 6 rolls of 120 with the other camera.Can't wait to see what everyone else has taken this year.Cheers,-- Bob. http://www.bobarnott.com/I am not a vegetarian because I love animals;I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.-- A. Whitney Brown___Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing listPinhole-Discussion@p at ???unsubscribe or change your account athttp://www.???/discussion/ ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD III
DOH! Frames strike again! I teach my students that frames are evil (writing Frames are Evil! on the board), so now I have another example. g I never use my browser full screen, so although I have a 17 monitor and 1024X768 resolution, I was only able to see three of the thumbnails. Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Mon 04/07, Guillermo pen...@rogers.com wrote: From: Guillermo [mailto: pen...@rogers.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:39:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD III Chris has coded the frames for no scrolling, not a good idea, obviously.brbrThere are only 6 images per artist, so if you have 1024x768 resolution, thebrlast thumbnail (1/2 visible in IE6) is the last image of each artist. Whenbrusing IE, pressing F11 key will allow you to see all of the thumbnails.brbrAnother way to see them all is to right click on the artist names, that willbrgive you a scrollable page with the thumbnails, then you drag and drop thebrthumbnails, one by one, into another browser window, that'll open the fullbrsize images. It shouldn't be this difficult, tho.brbrBTW Chris: that's a very ingenious camera you have made, if I were not an Ibrgotta made or modify the pinhole cameras I use kind of guy, I'd have placedbran order already. I very much like the images, especially Mia's House,broutstanding!!.brbrGuillermobrbr- Original Message -brFrom: George L Smyth glsm...@myway.combrTo: pinhole-discussion@p at ???brSent: Monday, April 07, 2003 5:44 PMbrSubject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD IIIbrbrbrbr For some reason I do not get a scroll bar on the right, so I am not ablebrto get to all of the images in the left frame.brbr Cheers -brbr georgebrbrbrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD III
For some reason I do not get a scroll bar on the right, so I am not able to get to all of the images in the left frame. Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Mon 04/07, Chris Peregoy pere...@umbc.edu wrote: From: Chris Peregoy [mailto: pere...@umbc.edu] To: cfla...@mchsi.com, pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:39:14 -0400 Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD III = Original Message From Chuck Flagg cfla...@mchsi.com =brHello,brThis list has been a little quiet. Everyone must be preparing for WWPD III!brOnly 20 days left.brAny new ideas for unusual cameras. I've been preping my students.brbrbrChuck,brAs a matter of fact, since you've asked, I've been working on a new and brunusual camera brthat's ready to be unveiled. You can find it at http://www.pinholeblender.com brTake a look, I even have a small gallery there so that you can see images from brmy brcamera. My pinhole blender uses 120 or 220 film and three pinholes in a 180 brdegree arc brto blend together a pseudo panorama onto a strip of film 5 inches long. I've brbeen working bron this design for over a year now and finally got all the bugs worked out brthanks to Tom brMiller who did some field testing this past summer and fall. I used a pre brproduction brversion of this camera to make my WWPD 2002 image which can be viewed at,brhttp://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/?id=536 Good luck with Pinhole Day.brbrChrisbrbrChris Peregoybrpere...@umbc.edubrhttp://www.pinholeblender.combrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Disposable Camera as Pinhole
Om - You can get the information at http://GLSmyth.com, inthe Pinhole Articles section, where Howard allowed me to reproduce it. Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Sat 03/29, Om Ongtawco con...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Om Ongtawco [mailto: con...@yahoo.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:48:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Disposable Camera as Pinhole hello Howard! can you send me a copy of the handout? brthanks!br--- Howard Wells sandw...@earthlink.net wrote:br I've done this extensively in workshops and can sendbr you a handout I usebr for disposable cameras if you wish. some brands workbr better than othersbr because they can take a normal 35mm cassette, othersbr use a cassette thatbr has a castellated or splined spool top. A nylonbr quarter-20 nut epoxied tobr the bottom of the camera can be a tripod socket andbr some students have madebr foam-core sliding shutters though black tape worksbr as well. br br I love the so-called disposable cameras. Let me knowbr if you want thebr handout and I'll get it to you (and anyone else whobr might want it) thisbr weekend. Right now I'm closing in a deadline gettingbr an editorial memo to abr guy who was CEO and Chairman of a 40 billion dollarbr company and whosebr honesty and integrity could make one believe in bigbr business again. Cheers,br br Howard Wellsbr br br [Original Message]br From: Patrick Barrett barrettpatr...@hotmail.combr To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???br Date: 3/14/2003 9:37:15 AMbr Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Disposable Camera asbr Pinholebr br Hello Pinholers,br I beleive I've read something here in the not toobr distant past about br replacing the lens and shutter of a disposablebr camera with a pinhole.br I've br searched the archives to not much avail.br br Has anyone done this? Are there websites withbr diagrams et cetera?br br I plan to run a small pinhole workshop on pinholebr day again this year.br Last br year we made oatmeal box, pringle can, tea tinbr cameras and I think thisbr year br I'd like to have my students (friends) trybr disposable cameras (sincebr they br use standard sized film).br br Any help would be much appreciated.br br--Patrickbr br brbr_br Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online br br brbrhttp://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963br br br ___br Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML br Pinhole-Discussion mailing listbr Pinhole-Discussion@p at ???br unsubscribe or change your account atbr http://www.???/discussion/br br br --- Howard Wellsbr --- sandw...@earthlink.netbr --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.br br br br ___br Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML br Pinhole-Discussion mailing listbr Pinhole-Discussion@p at ???br unsubscribe or change your account atbr http://www.???/discussion/brbrbr__brDo you Yahoo!?brYahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!brhttp://platinum.yahoo.combrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] off topic! Ortho film + Dektol?
Sure, I use halftone film and process it with a dilute solution of Dektol (1+10 to 1+20, depending upon the scene). Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Mon 03/24, Peter Wiklund peter.wikl...@journalistgruppen.se wrote: From: Peter Wiklund [mailto: peter.wikl...@journalistgruppen.se] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:24:45 +0100 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] off topic! Ortho film + Dektol? Sorry, off topic - not pinhole.brbrJust saw and read about Cary Clifford pics at Photoeye's galleries.br(http://www.photoeye.com/Gallery/forms/index.cfm?id=180247image=1imagePosibrtion=1Door=2Portfolio=Portfolio1Gallery=2 ).brbrIn her statemant:brI also use a process mostly borrowed from Sally Mann, in which I greatlybroverexpose Kodak ortho film and then process that film in Dektol for half abrminute or less, thereby achieving the ghostly effects you see in some of mybrphotographs.brbrAnyone who has tried this?brbrKodak ortho film, which one can that be?brbrThanks,brpeter in springtime stockholm, swedenbrbrbrbr___brPost to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML brPinhole-Discussion mailing listbrPinhole-Discussion@p at ???brunsubscribe or change your account atbrhttp://www.???/discussion/br ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
[pinhole-discussion] Reloading and Adapting Single-Use (Disposable) Cameras
Howard was gratious enough to send me his article, Reloading and Adapting Single-Use (Disposable) Cameras, so it has been added to my site. Go to http://GLSmyth.com/ and you will see it inthe Pinhole Articles section. Cheers, and thanks for the article, Howard. george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] reversal processing
I posted some formulas for doing this a while back, though I have yet to try it myself. If there are archives then you may wish to check them. Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Wed 02/26, aaron aa...@deadlettertype.com wrote: From: aaron [mailto: aa...@deadlettertype.com] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:47:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pinhole-discussion] reversal processing i'm curious if anyone on the list has any experience processing bw paper negs to positives (reversal processing). i've done film this way, and wonder if i can use the same steps (and same bleach) for paper. any advice would be appreciated... /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative by reversal
Manuel - That was probably me, as I posted a routine and chemicals required to do this a while back. I've not gotten around to trying it out, so I can't compare One correction to the text below - I believe that red and orange-colored objects will show as light, not dark. Cheers - george --- Manuel_Galán_Molina mgalanmol...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi list. Two years ago, i think, somebody put on the list a process to obtain paper negatives by reversal. I have mailed another process, see below, but i want to compare the two process. Anybody remembers this, or something like this? I put this email in the pinhole list also, sorry for duplication if anybody is on both list. Thanks Manuel, Spain My process (from http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/faq.html) PROCESSING ENLARGING PAPER AS A POSITIVE ...means you can use the paper in a camera and make one-of-a-kind images... ...roughly collected from info seen in various rec.photo postings... If you use the paper as a material in the camera then you may wish to consider using Panalure for normal looking results in terms of tonal reproduction. This is becasue normal BW papers are not sensitive to red and thus anything colored red in a scene will turn out very dark or black. You can also make BW prints directly from slides this way. Place a slide in the enlarger and project it onto BW paper. Again, to maintain more natural looking tones use Panalure. The chemicals and processing steps are as follows: First Developer 60-90 seconds Rinse 30 seconds Bleach R-9 30-60 seconds Rinse 30 seconds Clear CB-1 30 seconds Rinse 30 seconds Expose to light 40 W bulb for 5-10 seconds at 12 inches Second Developer30-60 seconds Fix 30-60 seconds WashNormal paper washing time Dry First Developer: The original literature referring to this method of making positive prints from slides is Kodak Publication G-14, Direct Positive Photography. You can probably get a copy of it by calling the Kodak Hot Line at 800-242-2424. In any case, that booklet specified a high contrast developer such as D-88. Dektol or D-72 dilited 1:1 can probably be substituted successfully for D-88. Rinses should be under running water, or at least two changes in the 30 seconds. The bleach is modified Kodak Bleach R-9: Water 800 mL Potassium Dichromate9.5 g Sodium Bisulfate 66 g Water to make 1 L Clear CB-1: Sodium Sulfite 90 g Water to make 1 L Second Developer can be Dektol again. Or if you want a sepia toned print, skip the light exposure and use Sulfide Redeveloper T-19 (Sodium Sulfide 20 g with water to make 1 L). As with any positive process, the resultant density value is opposite from ordinarily processed paper: More exposure = lighter print, less exposure = darker print. = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New photo show
--- Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca wrote: Hi: I don't think platinum would be a good choice as a start to alternative processes - not that its difficult, its just expensive. [clip] Gordon - I completely agree. I use the Van Dyke process and oftentimes the results are confused with platinum or paladium. I've come to the conclusion that platinum is more often used BECAUSE it is more expensive - the viewer will be more impressed with the cost of platinum and will be willing to pay more. Some time back I posted a question to the Alt Process listserve as to why anyone uses platinum as opposed to Van Dyke, expecting to hear claims about longevity or something of that sort, and the above was pretty much the answer. IMO, it is best to learn with an inexpensive process that will allow you to screw up without worrying about it. Then, once mastered, if it does not fit your needs, consider other processes. The inexpensive ones are Van Dyke, Cyanotype, Salt, etc., and the more expensive, like platinum and Ziatype, simply use the more costly ingredients. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Color paper negs
Certainly, this depends upon the paper you purchased. If you are going to use Ilfochrome then you will be looking at EI1 or EI2 as a starting point in your testing, assuming that you are using a filter to correct the color. Cheers - george --- Sam Tischler altproc2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, My name is Sam Tischler this is my first post to this list and i have a relatively obscure question. (nothing is to obscure for pinholers) I want to make color paper negative in my pinhole cameras. I have ordered some paper and I am trying to do some testing before it gets here. (I am going to do this for a job on Friday) I wonder if anyone else has done this and if so what did you find the speed of the color paper to be in relation to say tri-x or BW paper. Any sugestions would be most helpful. Thanks Sam __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] What is a silver print really?
--- John Ptak jfjp...@yahoo.com wrote: I've got a question--are all light-sensitive silver compound prints technically silver prints? When a reference is made to a 19th-century silver print, is this a reference to all non-cyanotype/albumen/salt/platinum etc processes? Thanks. John Ptak If the process uses silver, then it is a silver print. I can't think of any exceptions. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !
Hmmm, website usability problem - you see it all the time. Thanks for the info, as I had looked at a black screen and gone on. Cheers - george --- Tom Miller tomwmil...@attbi.com wrote: The images are behind the numbers on the calendar at the top of the page. Tom - Original Message - From: andy schmitt aschm...@warwick.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but ! unfortunately the link : [panoscope360.com] goes to the test page for the apache server... andy ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye
Ahh, thanks for the explanation. g Cheers - george (knuckle dragger) --- Alan Cangemi ac-t...@msn.com wrote: Ahhh, George, Now I see the confusion. The old style brains (those used before 1985) did in fact see lights as individual frames. But the modern brain, especially those in people born after 1986, see light as a continuous stream. Even though the old style brains are still manufactured and used (mostly for economic reasons.the new styled brains cost 4 times as much) most people nowadays are using the new brains. It's easy to spot those with new and old styled brains.the old style recipients tend to drag their knuckles when they walk upright. Sorry for the confusion, George. Best regards. Alan (old style) Cangemi - Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye Well, you'll need to speak with my Physiological Psychology teacher of 30 years ago, as that is what our textbook said. We do not see things as continuous streams, but as frames. Cheers - george --- Alan Cangemi ac-t...@msn.com wrote: George. The brain DOES NOT take in light similar to a movie camera's film mechanism. It sees light as a continuous stream. It is only through mechanical processes that wheels appear to be turning backwards whilst the vehicle is moving forward. So there! sreehC Alan - Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye While light does stream in continuously, the brain takes it in similar to a movie camera's film. This is why you may see a bicycle's tires appear to move backwards as it goes forwards. Cheers - george --- erick...@hickorytech.net wrote: Another thing occurs to me. The camera analogy is also limited by the fact that camera shutters open and close, while light streams into the human eye continuously. The operative 'shutter speed would have to be the duration of exposure to the rod or cone required to trigger nerve conduction. I don't know whether there is a trasmission period followed by a refractory period, which would equate to shutter speed, or not. - Original Message - From: erick...@hickorytech.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye Here is some information I have. How it applies I'm not sure. The eye is only the aperture, lens and sensing apparatus. Because the eye is attached to the brain it would make more sense to use a digital camera as a model rather than film camera. The mind can read an image and give a response in as little as 0.04 seconds- a professional pingpong players response time, for instance. Nerve transmission time mind to brain can be measured by measuring cortical evoked potential responses to visual stimuli. I might have once know the limiting values but I don't recall them. A big name in research in this area is Meichenbaum, if you want to look it up. As for aperture, the lens to retina distance is roughly 25 mm. Maximum pupil size, i.e. aperture diameter, is maybe 8 mm in an adult, so the maximum F stop would be 25/8= 3.1. Minimum aperture would be about 25/2 for 'pinpoint pupils, an F stop of 12.5. I think that the eye processes light sensation somewhat differently at low light levels, so film speed would be a guess. Remember too that the eye and brain cannot distinguish as separate images any sequence more rapid than about 14/second. That is the basis for movies and television, sequences of still images projected faster than the eye can distinguish, thus blending them into apparent continuous motion. I- Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye On 22 Jul 2002, at 11:16, eco...@aol.com wrote: I know this is not strictly pinhole, but I wondered if anyone had access to the average human eye values for the camera variables. ie Respective - film speed, shutter speed, aperture, focus range, depth of field etc. Thanks Ellis When I looked into shutter speed many years ago, I came upon the conclusion that the eye's shutter speed is approximately 1/100 second. You can verify this by taking
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye
Well, you'll need to speak with my Physiological Psychology teacher of 30 years ago, as that is what our textbook said. We do not see things as continuous streams, but as frames. Cheers - george --- Alan Cangemi ac-t...@msn.com wrote: George. The brain DOES NOT take in light similar to a movie camera's film mechanism. It sees light as a continuous stream. It is only through mechanical processes that wheels appear to be turning backwards whilst the vehicle is moving forward. So there! sreehC Alan - Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye While light does stream in continuously, the brain takes it in similar to a movie camera's film. This is why you may see a bicycle's tires appear to move backwards as it goes forwards. Cheers - george --- erick...@hickorytech.net wrote: Another thing occurs to me. The camera analogy is also limited by the fact that camera shutters open and close, while light streams into the human eye continuously. The operative 'shutter speed would have to be the duration of exposure to the rod or cone required to trigger nerve conduction. I don't know whether there is a trasmission period followed by a refractory period, which would equate to shutter speed, or not. - Original Message - From: erick...@hickorytech.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye Here is some information I have. How it applies I'm not sure. The eye is only the aperture, lens and sensing apparatus. Because the eye is attached to the brain it would make more sense to use a digital camera as a model rather than film camera. The mind can read an image and give a response in as little as 0.04 seconds- a professional pingpong players response time, for instance. Nerve transmission time mind to brain can be measured by measuring cortical evoked potential responses to visual stimuli. I might have once know the limiting values but I don't recall them. A big name in research in this area is Meichenbaum, if you want to look it up. As for aperture, the lens to retina distance is roughly 25 mm. Maximum pupil size, i.e. aperture diameter, is maybe 8 mm in an adult, so the maximum F stop would be 25/8= 3.1. Minimum aperture would be about 25/2 for 'pinpoint pupils, an F stop of 12.5. I think that the eye processes light sensation somewhat differently at low light levels, so film speed would be a guess. Remember too that the eye and brain cannot distinguish as separate images any sequence more rapid than about 14/second. That is the basis for movies and television, sequences of still images projected faster than the eye can distinguish, thus blending them into apparent continuous motion. I- Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye On 22 Jul 2002, at 11:16, eco...@aol.com wrote: I know this is not strictly pinhole, but I wondered if anyone had access to the average human eye values for the camera variables. ie Respective - film speed, shutter speed, aperture, focus range, depth of field etc. Thanks Ellis When I looked into shutter speed many years ago, I came upon the conclusion that the eye's shutter speed is approximately 1/100 second. You can verify this by taking successive pictures of a waterfall. We all know that slowing down the shutter speed to a second or more will make for silky water, which is not what we see. From there, take pictures with faster and faster speeds (don't forget to take notes). When you get the results, compare the pictures with what you see and make the decision for yourself. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye
While light does stream in continuously, the brain takes it in similar to a movie camera's film. This is why you may see a bicycle's tires appear to move backwards as it goes forwards. Cheers - george --- erick...@hickorytech.net wrote: Another thing occurs to me. The camera analogy is also limited by the fact that camera shutters open and close, while light streams into the human eye continuously. The operative 'shutter speed would have to be the duration of exposure to the rod or cone required to trigger nerve conduction. I don't know whether there is a trasmission period followed by a refractory period, which would equate to shutter speed, or not. - Original Message - From: erick...@hickorytech.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye Here is some information I have. How it applies I'm not sure. The eye is only the aperture, lens and sensing apparatus. Because the eye is attached to the brain it would make more sense to use a digital camera as a model rather than film camera. The mind can read an image and give a response in as little as 0.04 seconds- a professional pingpong players response time, for instance. Nerve transmission time mind to brain can be measured by measuring cortical evoked potential responses to visual stimuli. I might have once know the limiting values but I don't recall them. A big name in research in this area is Meichenbaum, if you want to look it up. As for aperture, the lens to retina distance is roughly 25 mm. Maximum pupil size, i.e. aperture diameter, is maybe 8 mm in an adult, so the maximum F stop would be 25/8= 3.1. Minimum aperture would be about 25/2 for 'pinpoint pupils, an F stop of 12.5. I think that the eye processes light sensation somewhat differently at low light levels, so film speed would be a guess. Remember too that the eye and brain cannot distinguish as separate images any sequence more rapid than about 14/second. That is the basis for movies and television, sequences of still images projected faster than the eye can distinguish, thus blending them into apparent continuous motion. I- Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye On 22 Jul 2002, at 11:16, eco...@aol.com wrote: I know this is not strictly pinhole, but I wondered if anyone had access to the average human eye values for the camera variables. ie Respective - film speed, shutter speed, aperture, focus range, depth of field etc. Thanks Ellis When I looked into shutter speed many years ago, I came upon the conclusion that the eye's shutter speed is approximately 1/100 second. You can verify this by taking successive pictures of a waterfall. We all know that slowing down the shutter speed to a second or more will make for silky water, which is not what we see. From there, take pictures with faster and faster speeds (don't forget to take notes). When you get the results, compare the pictures with what you see and make the decision for yourself. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Human eye
On 22 Jul 2002, at 11:16, eco...@aol.com wrote: I know this is not strictly pinhole, but I wondered if anyone had access to the average human eye values for the camera variables. ie Respective - film speed, shutter speed, aperture, focus range, depth of field etc. Thanks Ellis When I looked into shutter speed many years ago, I came upon the conclusion that the eye's shutter speed is approximately 1/100 second. You can verify this by taking successive pictures of a waterfall. We all know that slowing down the shutter speed to a second or more will make for silky water, which is not what we see. From there, take pictures with faster and faster speeds (don't forget to take notes). When you get the results, compare the pictures with what you see and make the decision for yourself. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Focus
Ian - I'm not sure what you mean. Changing the size of the pinhole, without question, changes the sharpness of the image, making it different, so niether of your assertions are correct. Eric Renner's book displays this with a series, and can tell you that this is the case from first-hand experience. Cheers - george --- Ian McKee photo...@earthlink.net wrote: I made two assertions; 1) that at a given extension you will get the same image regardless of pinhole size and 2) that the sharpness was the same for each image. I will stuck to the first and admit I'm on shakier ground on the second. I used TMax 100 4x5 film and shot a scenic, a saguaro cactus at about 25 feet. Examining the negatives and proofs only with a loupe, they appeared to me to be of similar sharpness. Also, I will admit I didn't shoot the whole series of pinholes but only a sampling. I plane to redo the experiment with the whole series to see if I am mistaken. Regardless of the results, doing it is fun and enlightening! --- Ian McKee --- photo...@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] black dust
--- Catherine Just blue_medic...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I made a 20x24 black and white photograph of a pinhole image for myself and one for my boyfriend as a gift. I had the print made at a lab and there is a line of black dust that is really noticable as it is really close to the middle of the print. I know this is due to my pinhole camera not being clean when I took the shot. But is there a way to do something like spot toning only to whiten it up?? I don't really know if I will give him the print if I can't lighten that up, or cover it up completely. Catherine - Assuming that the lab made the print on black and white paper, you can very carefully bleach the portions you want to lighten. Water (125 deg F or 52 deg C) - 750.0 ml Potassium Ferricyanide - 50.0 grams Potassium Bromide - 10.0 grams Sodium Carbonate, monohydrated - 20.0 grams Add cold water to make - 1.0 liter I believe that you will need to refix the print following the bleach (and perhaps Spottone any areas that were bleached too far). This is not an easy thing to do. Another thing would be to use Spottone to touch up the negative, though that is much easier than it sounds. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: pinhole IR
--- ColdMarblePhoto coldmar...@dgbn.com wrote: http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=jhb_ir_c yano092902.jpg John - Thanks for sharing the picture (I oftentimes use the cyanotype process myself). Suggestion. As you can see, the long URL wrapped, which means that some people might have had problems finding it. You can also see the picture by going to http://tinyurl.com/3ffp - there, I'll bet that didn't wrap. g If anyone has a long URL that they are concerned will wrap, I would suggest going to http://tinyurl.com/. Very simply, you enter a long URL and receive a short one. Then you can include it in a message without worry about it wrapping. Of course, this is free. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] bellows pinhole
--- S and C Graham Foto scgrahamf...@yahoo.com wrote: Im new to pimhole and have biult 2 cameras, now im working on a 4x5 bellows pinhole (full movements)the front standard will allow me to change lens boards. has annyone biult a pinhole out of a view camera?just lookin for advise on this subject. thank you Shannon - Sure, I did. Actually, I didn't have an extra lens holder, so I made one from an aluminum pie pan. I then attached my pinhole behind a larger hole in the lens holder and I was off. As I have numerous different-sized pinholes within slide holders, I can select the proper size for the focal length I have chosen. The nice thing is that when one uses film holders, the pinhole camera becomes less of a single-shot deal. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Camera from Joaquin Casado and prompt box
Margaret - Actually, that is not my website (I did help lastyear, but was not selected to help this past year). I am sure that the individual maintaining the site will speak up. Cheers - george http://GLSmyth.com --- Margaret Graham mm...@drexel.edu wrote: George, Given your concern for usability, I know you will want to know about the problem I'm experiencing on your site at http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/. In attempting to view the April 28, 2002 images, I receive the following message: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare maketextimage() in /usr/www/users/pinhole/WPD/includes/setup.php on line 322 (Windows 2000, IE 5, NS 4.7 and Opera 6.01). Haven't yet tried NS6. Clues? The 2001 images are wonderful although it's a lot to click through. Margaret Graham George L Smyth wrote: --- Guillermo pen...@rogers.com wrote: - Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com Hmmm, okay. Very poor website design. I would like to see more pictures, get more details, maybe even find out how much it costs. I have no desire to send him an email. Anyway, I do my email through Yahoo, so this doesn't do me a whole lot of good. Too bad that something that should be so simple becomes impossible. I wonder if the camera is similarly designed. Common George, give Joaquin a break. The 1000's words the pictures in his site say speak very loud of his design and craftmanship. I said in my post that this was a PRE-ANNOUCEMENT. Joaquin sent me and a couple of other persons an email for us to PRE-VIEW his new creation, the site IS NOT meant as THE site from which he'll sell this camera, nor it is intended to ANNOUNCE the camera to the world, it says in the home page that there will be a web site coming soon. I'll stop short of saying I made a mistake with my posting of Joaquin pre-announcement to the list, Joaquin indicated to me, he was surpriced to find this morning so many emails from people interested, so no question some people were impressed with the beauty of the cameras and wanted to know more. Guillermo I would think that he would want to know that whomever is putting together his site is doing so in a way that potential customers will be driven away. Site designers too often indulge in grandiose designs meant to be cool that are actually unusable. There is nothing more important than usability. Before the final design is complete, it would be best for the site designer to know of the negative feedback from potential customers. If the site remains as is and goes live, he will lose many sales from people who have no idea how to use this confusing site. Just my opinion. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Both Casado Cameras can also seen here
--- John D. esq j...@johndesq.com wrote: Detailed views of the Hal camera: http://www.johndesq.com/dpr/hal When I clicked on the 800X600 link, I got a popup that had another popup that said to wait for the images to load. I waited about five minutes and the popup still said that, so I left. Is this working? Thanks - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] opps
--- Kate Hudec hu...@rcn.com wrote: The URL is http://users.rcn.com/hudec The pictures appear interesting, but I would recommend offering them larger, as they're displayed pretty small. Giving thumbnails that one can select to view larger would be very helpful. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Camera from Joaquin Casado and prompt box
Hmmm, okay. Very poor website design. I would like to see more pictures, get more details, maybe even find out how much it costs. I have no desire to send him an email. Anyway, I do my email through Yahoo, so this doesn't do me a whole lot of good. Too bad that something that should be so simple becomes impossible. I wonder if the camera is similarly designed. Cheers - george --- Thom Mitchell tjmi...@ix.netcom.com wrote: the prompt box is a java applet asking for your e-mail address which will run and then it will open you default -email client (PC world at least don't know Mac) and send a message to joaquin.cas...@wanadoo.es The camera looks interesting and more camera makers mean more options for the photographer, which is rarely a bad thing. - Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Camera from Joaquin Casado --- Guillermo pen...@rogers.com wrote: Joaquin Casado, maker of the handsome 4x5 Hal Camera has know pre-announced the beautiful Curva120, as the name implies, it is a curved film plane taking 120 film. Incredible design. Take a look: http://usuarios.lycos.es/jsendec/curva_english.htm It does look pretty cool, though I wonder about the cost. I clicked the link for more information, but got a Prompt box that then got rather confused. Oh well. Usability is the most important thing on Web page. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Camera from Joaquin Casado
--- Guillermo pen...@rogers.com wrote: Joaquin Casado, maker of the handsome 4x5 Hal Camera has know pre-announced the beautiful Curva120, as the name implies, it is a curved film plane taking 120 film. Incredible design. Take a look: http://usuarios.lycos.es/jsendec/curva_english.htm It does look pretty cool, though I wonder about the cost. I clicked the link for more information, but got a Prompt box that then got rather confused. Oh well. Usability is the most important thing on Web page. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Holiday Print Swap
--- John Y. jonn...@thegrid.net wrote: Are we going to have a print/postcard swap this year? John Anyone sending me a card will definitely get one in return. My address is: George L Smyth 11024 Wood Elves Way Columbia, MD 21044 If you'd like to be added to the largest Internet Photographic Handmade Postcard Trading List in the world (well, I think so g), just visit http://GLSmyth.com to see what it's all about. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
[pinhole-discussion] Re: [pinhole-dicussion] Reciprocity Failure (was reciprocal failure)
--- karol dzikamal...@interia.pl wrote: hi i've got an Zero Image pinhole camera and i've got a question concerning sth called 'reciprocal failure'. In a instruction added to a camera it's written that it means that i need to multiply the speed by 2 when it's 1-2seconds, by 4 when it's 2-4...by 12 when it's more then 10 or sth like this. anyway it's written in a very simplified way so i'd like to know some details. the aperture in this camera is 138. Karol - What you are referring to is Reciprocity Failure. Film is designed to be exposed for a certain period of time, oftentimes 1/10,000 of a second through 1 second. When you go outside of this design, the film will not properly capture the image if exposed for this time period. You need to adjust your exposure to compensate for a time outside of the film's design. Different films have different requirements when referenced in this context, so it isn't as simple as just multiplying the exposure by two (for instance, Tri-X and TMX are dramatically different). Look at the reciprocity failure information on the sheet of paper that comes with the film you use, and adjust according to the directions there. If you do not have that paper, enter reciprocity failure and the film type into Google and find it there. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Negatives
--- António_Vieira antonio.vie...@siemens.com wrote: -Original Message- From: dalf...@aol.com [mailto:dalf...@aol.com] Sent: Sábado, 16 de Novembro de 2002 20:41 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Negatives In a message dated 11/16/2002 10:35:06 AM Central Standard Time, jruss...@wishtv.com writes: 've been shooting with a Polaroid 545 back for a couple months now. I've been tossing my negatives in the trash after development. I was wondering if there was a way to fix the negatives so that I can keep them for future use. I remember seeing something about this, but I can't remember where I saw it or how I go about doing it. Whatever the process is, is it the same for both BW and color negatives? If you are using Polaroid Type 55 film(BW) , you can do a couple of things, if you overexpose by one stop , you will get a lighter print, but get a bit more dense negative . If you are in the field , you can put the neg into a zip lock baggie filled with water, and clear the negative with Hypo Clear once you get home . I was thinking in trying type 55, but I was going to the sodium sulfite. What exactly is the Hypo Clear?? Hypo Clear is a solution that removes the sodium (or ammonium) thiosulfate from the substrate following fixing. I clear my negatives with PermaWash, which is a commercial solution used to wash prints. Of course, none of this has anything to do with the original question, which had to fixing the negative. As previously stated, I do not believe that fixing Type 55 film is necessary - I have numerous old negatives that have simply been cleared and dried. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Negatives
--- Jason Russell jruss...@wishtv.com wrote: I've been shooting with a Polaroid 545 back for a couple months now. I've been tossing my negatives in the trash after development. I was wondering if there was a way to fix the negatives so that I can keep them for future use. I remember seeing something about this, but I can't remember where I saw it or how I go about doing it. Whatever the process is, is it the same for both BW and color negatives? I've always just cleared and washed them. I've got some several years old that are just fine. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] ciba/ilfochrome speed ratings
I've got a friend who used Ilfochrome with pinhole and uses EI 1 to get his images. This is a very slow paper, much slower than regular BW paper. He uses it with either an 85A or 85B (I forget which). Cheers - george --- drew d...@15munroe.com wrote: I plan on making a simple 8x10 single sheet ciba camera this week. I've searched high and low (including the archives) and have found almost nothing that states the EI of ilfochrome... It seems a popular enough pinhole medium to shoot on so im puzzled by the lack of info. I have seen some references to EI 1 through about EI 100. I don't fear the experimentation but even with home processing @ about 5 minutes a pop it is time consuming and I of course want to spend as much time in the light as possible. Anyone with ballparks based in actual pinhole exposures? Thanks in advance -drew ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Limited Edition Pinhole Polaroid Camera
--- Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote: - Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1395685792 I'm not sure that overpriced even begins to describe it. g george What's most amazing about eBay is that someone will probably buy it at that price...! The trick for the seller is to describe the item as limited edition or rare or any word that suggests there may not be another occasion to get that particular item. Buyers then flock like sheeps and bid the price up to unbelievable levels... Guy Don't get me wrong, I love eBay, but this sort of thing just makes me shake my head. The most outrageous thing I ever saw there was a used Kleenex (it went for 25 cents). Sometimes people need to think why an item would be a limited edition. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Limited Edition Pinhole Polaroid Camera
--- James Kellar pinh...@jameskellar.com wrote: I was wondering if any one else saw this on ebay? Has any one heard of this camera? Seems a bit over priced? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1395685792 I'm not sure that overpriced even begins to describe it. g Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
--- Andrew Amundsen a...@tcinternet.net wrote: Hi everyone, I am freshly inspired after this weekends pinhole forum, hosted by Tom Miller and Bill Erikson, at the pARTs gallery in Minneapolis. Very nice job, hope to see more like it. I'm interested in trying paper negative work with pinhole. So I have a couple quick questions for those with paper negative experience: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? 2) Does the Kodak name, from the back, show through on the final print when you print with that brand? or is it faint enough not to? In my experience, I have never seen the Kodak logo. 3) Which is best to use RC or fiber? You want something that is going to make good contact when contact printing. Glossy RC will go firmly in contact when it is time to print. 4) Any good starting exposures for brands of paper you might be familiar with? Ilford MGIV EI2 would be a good starting point. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
--- Katharine Thayer ktha...@pacifier.com wrote: Andrew Amundsen wrote: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? Kodak single-weight paper has no labeling on the back. Keep in mind that single weight paper is going to curl like mad. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] zone plate
If it's down, you can get to much of the information mirrored on my site at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Articles/PinholeArticles.htm. Cheers - george --- John Fisher photobu...@hotmail.com wrote: Would you check the URL? I have tried to open the site.But haven't had any luck. thank you From: Paul Prober pro...@silcom.com Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] zone plate Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:34:34 -0700 Hi, Chris Patton at Pinhole and beyond has a zone plate area. The site address is www.standford.edu/~cpatton/zp.html There is many zone plate lens, plus formulas for focusing the lens to subject. Paul Prober ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new images
--- Ingo Guenther ingoguent...@web.de wrote: Hi all, the upload on the listpage http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002/ from 22th of october are the results from my last workshop on a college in Oldenburg. All images from homemade cameras (film cannister). Ingo - Please check the URL - I got a Page Cannot Be Displayed error. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] maybe of topic, but...
I had no problems developing E6. I simply filled my kitchen sink with water about two degrees higher than required, and after bringing my chemicals to temperature, used that holding bath to keep everything steady. I do agree, however, that taking C41 to a one hour lab will probably be easier. I do my own E6 because I occasionally shoot color infrared and cannot trust the processing machines locally. Cheers - george --- erick...@hickorytech.net wrote: My experience was that it was very sensitive to small temperature changes. Processing around 100 degrees makes it harder to keep the temperature stable. It's a heck of a lot easier and just as cheap to have your local one hour do it for you. There's nothing creative about it and it's easy to spoil. - Original Message - From: Gustavo glpo...@hehe.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] maybe of topic, but... I´m thinking about processing c-41 at home, but before i start, i need some info about the process. Could you gimme any help/link ? _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Lunch Hour Pinhole Project
Jeff - In that case, I would recommend that you consider using the services of www.Brinkster.com (I have no affiliation with them other than having www.DRiPInvesting.org and the Internet Photographic Handmade Postcard Trading List at www.GLSmyth.com on their site). They are the only site that I know of that offers free web space without any advertising, something that was available during the dot.bomb bubble. I was able to get to the site. I did something quite similar a number of years ago. I would place my pinhole camera in or near a stream and come back an hour or two later on to retrieve it. I often wondered what would happen if anyone saw me do this, as I use a coffee can as one of my cameras. When I bring such a device into a restaurant to take a picture, people look at me and think, If he leaves without that thing, I'm out of here. g Cheers - george --- Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net wrote: I was not able to get to http://hiddenworld.net:81/Lunch_Hour_Pinhole.html. Is it down or is the URL wrong? Thanks - george Users behind restrictive firewalls may not be able to access the site, as it is on port 81. This is because my little web site runs off my cable modem, and the friendly ATT folks have decided to not allow port 80 traffic (the standard http port). This is not a problem for most people, unless they have system administrators that are overly restrictive about how they access the `net, they should be able to be routed to the port 81. After paying my exhorbitant broadband fee, unfortunately I don't have any money left over to lease space on a real server! ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] weddings
Catherine - The black on dark burgendy makes things very difficult to read. I didn't even see the links at the bottom until I had gone through several pages. The numeric links are very small and since the link color does not change, I do not know which images I have seen and which I have not. Cheers - george --- Catherine Just blue_medic...@yahoo.com wrote: I am curious if anyone has used a pinhole camera at a wedding? I would LOVE to use one there as another means to creating alternative imagery while also...supporting myself with the craft! My website just went up 2 days ago...mainly for my commercial work. I think the fine art doesn't read very well on the site. http://www.catherinejust.com would LOVE to have people think of me if interested in more alternative ways to capture everyday/special events. C = Don't just state your intent, Live it. ~Jerry Seiner Jr. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole enlarging
--- Uptown Gallery mur...@uptowngallery.org wrote: Hello: If one did MF (4x5 or 5x7) or LF (8x10) sheet film pinhole (and had an enlarger large enough), what are the prospects for enlarging? I was very unhappy with 4x6 prints from 35mm pinhole. Everything depends upon what you are trying to accomplish. I wanted to contact print mine, so I shot 8X10 (these can be seen at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Projects/BearSkins/BearSkins.htm) and used the Van Dyke process to print tem out. I primarily use 4X5 (this and larger is considered large format - 120 film is considered medium format) for its flexibility and have enlarged it to 16X20, though I feel that some images would not work well with this size enlargement. It really depends upon what you are looking to do, so you'll need to make the judgement for your own images. I do not believe that there is a universal answer for this. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Lunch Hour Pinhole Project
--- Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net wrote: I have started a little project, to keep myself amused, called Lunch Hour Pinhole Project. Feel free to check out the first installment. Wednesday's picture suffered from a stuck shutter, but the rest of the week turned out ok! http://hiddenworld.net:81/Lunch_Hour_Pinhole.html I was not able to get to http://hiddenworld.net:81/Lunch_Hour_Pinhole.html. Is it down or is the URL wrong? Thanks - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids revisited
--- Marcy Merrill ma...@merrillphoto.com wrote: Hi all: A while back there was a thread about pinhole cameras made from Altoid containers. I meant to comment. Later, there was a thread about multiple-holed pinhole cameras. I meant to comment. I just finished an exhibit of some of my pinhole images. I meant to post about it. Anyway, I've spent my afternoon posting Pintoid images to my Pintoid page ( www.merrillphoto.com/pintoids.htm ). I've been using acupuncture needles to make pinholes and they work well. I'm going to try porcupine quills next. Anyone tried it? Just curious. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks to everyone for such an informative list! -MM Marcy - Very nice. I especially liked the multiple pinhole images. What is your exposure time with the Altoid container? Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] ilford
--- ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com wrote: Film Last Friday someone told me about this film. http://www.theeconozone.com/econozone/xxx4.html http://www.theeconozone.com/econozone/xxx4.htmlI have to tried it yet but later I will. Right now I'm shooting 4x5 TMAX 400. I do not like this film because I'm not getting the high contrast. Some people might love it but I'm not getting the results, plus its very expensive compared to ortho litho film and the chemical are cheap. You can alter the contrast by altering your processing. You can decrease the dilution of your developer, increase the time of your development, increase the temperature of your developer, or increase the agitation of your development. I would recommend beginning with the last, as the TMax series of films expects a greater degree of agitation then its older films (like Tri-X). Read the directions on this. I would recommend continuous agitation by using tubes. As far as expense is concerned, 4X5 sheet film only costs about 50 cents per sheet. Whereas I will use orthochromatic film when shooting in the larger sizes (8X10 and larger), I think that you will find problems with gradation and proper rendering to be more apparent when working with smaller sheets of film. Anyway, I would not recommend going the cheap route on film for cheapness' sake, unless you are sure to have the opportunity to reshoot. Developing trays. I use those sandwich containers with the lids. I have one for the film developer and the other for fixer and one for water. I use the lids because it cuts down on the fumes because I do not have the best ventilation system. Don't forget to use Stop Bath. Stop has two excellent purposes. The first is to give you the ability to stop the development at precisely the time you wish. This is very important when developing film. The other purpose is to be used as a buffer between the developer and the fix. You will exhaust your fix considerably faster if you forgo this step. It doesn't make sense not to use a Stop Bath. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] ilford
--- kelca...@aol.com wrote: Okay now that I'm finally building a darkroom I can hopefully start understanding more about the whole pinhole process and see more eye to eye with it rather than just read the discussion e-mails and try to figure out what goes where in all that lingo I'm not aware of yet. I'm very excited for this I have so many ideas for pinhole and can't wait to start though I have a question (and probibly many questions to come) as to what kind or brand of developer, stop bath, and fixer I should use in order to get the best results with ilford paper? kelseyj - You will find that experimentation will yield your best results - what works for one person may not be what another is seeking. I would recommend that you start out with the standards, Kodak Dektol, Indicator Stop Bath, and Rapid Fixer. If you are using RC paper, I would very highly recommend that you tone it (with selenium - sepia and gold are other alternatives) to ensure its permenance. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Theme o' the month
--- ethereal art ethereal...@mindspring.com wrote: Andrew Amundsen wrote That would be a fun idea, Andrew. How about a pinhole swap, too? Those are usually fun. Rosanne - About 275 of us do this regularly and occasionally - I've been doing it for about ten years. I get prints literally from all over the world, which is a real blast. If you go to http://GLSmyth.com and look at The Internet Photographic Handmade Postcard Trading List, you can either join the list or simply send to as many on the list as you wish. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Strange Problem and I need some help.
--- Eric S. Theise mat...@cyberwerks.com wrote: ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J writes: I also might be getting a reflection from my pinhole because I did not want to pant it black, because they say it will mess up your hole, so this could be a problem. To tried to get around this problem by using electrical tape to cover as much of the metal I could. I bet that light could reflect off of the tape. Yes, electrical tape is pretty shiny and I'd avoid it on a camera's interior. To mask my pinholes, I use gaffers tape, which has a nice matte, non-reflective surface. Regular duct tape is shiny enough to worry me, too. Another way of masking the pinhole surface is to simply blacken it with a Sharpie. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Newbie Intro. and a few questions-How to develop ortho
--- jmeyerh...@aol.com wrote: How do you develop ortho film for continuous tone? Thank you...j Use dilute Dektol. I use Dektol 1+15, though I may opt for 1+10 through 1+20 depending upon the scene and its final purpose (I might use 1+10 if I am going to print with the Van Dyke process). Best thing to do is to experiment. Cheers- george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Strange Problem and I need some help.
--- ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com wrote: My photos are having problems and I posted some example hoping that I can find out what is the problem. Please note that this is my first camera and I have been doing this for about a week. I'm just trying to work out the kinks in my camera design. This photo was a 2-min exposure on a very overcast sky about 20 min before sunset. I just wanted to see how a long exposure would turn out. Can you see the two vertical lines down the middle of the photo? What could cause that? http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?cmd=maxstar t=pic=trfarm_lines.jpg The photo below was the same shot but was a 1 min and 30 second exposure and now I have a strange light source coming from the bottom. Could it be cause by a problem with my pinhole? I sure I don't have any light leaks. I'm using an oatmeal pinhole camera. http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?cmd=maxstar t=pic=trfarm_lightproblem.jpg Chances are that the light you are seeing is caused by a reflection from the surface of your film or paper. Did you paint the inside of the camera black? That will help, though it may not eliminate the problem. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Newbie Intro. and a few questions
--- Fox, Robert r...@aarp.org wrote: [clip] Are there any practical reasons to shoot at 4x5 rather than 8x10? I suppose it would be easy enough to do both, but I'm wondering about people's preferences for architectural and portrait work. The multi-format Zero2000 looks like a good starter as well given the choice of formats for standard roll film. 8X10 film is four times more expensive than 4X5 film (makes sense). The bulk of an 8X10 camera, along with the slide holders, make things much more difficult to work with. Then again, if you are going to use an alternative process to print, then you will probably want a larger negative to work with. I've got some examples at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Projects/BearSkins/BearSkins.htm if you would like to take a look. An alternative to regular 8X10 film is to use halftone film of that size, which costs considerably less. The image Jimmy (found at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Images/PinholeImages.htm) was made with this film. I would also direct you to the Pinhole FAQ located at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Articles/FAQ/pin_faq.htm. There you will find enough information to get you going in the right direction. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] that old reciprocity failure question again
--- Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi. I have two reciprocity failure charts. One is from Kodak and the other is from Steve Simmons' book, Using the View Camera. They give very different adjusted times for Tri X, when you get to very long exposures. For example, if the metered time is 30 seconds, Kodak says to expose for 200 seconds, and Simmons says 290, almost half again as long. Also, the adjusted development percentages are very different. Kodak says 10% off even for an adjusted exposure of only 2 seconds, and 20% off if your adjusted exposure is 50 seconds, whereas Simmons doesn't even begin to decrease development until exposure reaches 13 seconds, and then only by 5%. If exposure is 50 seconds, he says to reduce development by about 9%. This is confusing. I wonder whose numbers are right? You can find out by testing. The developer you use may well make a difference, so test with the developer you plan to use. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Camera Size?
--- ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com wrote: I would like to make 16X20 prints (That is I want to put the paper in the camera) and I'm trying to figure out how large of a pinhole camera I would need. Any suggestions on how to figure this out? Travis - I made a 16X20 camera a while back, and it realy depends upon how wide an angle you want. You can make it pretty much as shallow or as deep as you want. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Keeping your images away from the evil robots!
John - robots.txt is a standard tool, as you said, that directs search engine robots away from specified directories and files. I use this at work to ensure, for instance, that maintenance areas of our website will not be crawled. I'm not sure why one would want to lock out the information that one is hoping to disseminate, however. Obviously, this is a personal choice and one should do whatever fits within their comfort level, but were someone to click on an image of mine via Google, they would be directed to my website, which would be just fine. Cheers - george --- John Yeo jonn...@thegrid.net wrote: This is a little off topic, as it doesn't relate directly to pinhole, but many members of this list have websites exhibiting their work, so I decided to put it out there. I have recently noticed a few requests every day on my webserver for robots.txt. After getting that file (which doesn't even exist on my webserver!), they would download various other html files. I found all these requests for the non-existant file strange, and also that the html files were being downloaded, but the images weren't being viewed (well, not usually). After looking a bit on google, I discovered that these are actually robots or spiders that scour the internet for various reasons, such as collecting information for search engines, but more importantly, linking or stealing your images. Fortunately, you can lock these robots out of parts of your website, or the whole site itself. Usually you would want to leave the site open for search engines to increase traffic, but lock out your gallery so sites like http://images.google.com, can't get at your artwork. [clip] = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Painting inside of tins
--- Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net wrote: Can anyone give advice on what to look for in a paint that will be used to paint and darken the inside of tins? I have not made a pinhole camera from a tin, and was thinking of using some of my pipe tobocco circular tins as wide angle cameras. Use sandpaper to rough the inside and use flat paint. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Great pinhole site.
--- Jeffery Atkins merstu...@aol.com wrote: I just stumbled across a great pinhole site and thought I would share it with the group. http://www.pinhole.nl/index.htm After you explore the images, check out the info link to see her cameras environment constructions. Way cool! Pure art. This is fun stuff. I don't exactly appreciate the difficulty of the site's navigation, but she does have some interesting ideas. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] lack of pinhole images on photosig
--- pinholeren...@netscape.net wrote: I have been looking at the photo site PHOTOSIG for pinhole images can find only a few.I would love to see more pinhole zoneplate images represented on the site.I would like to know if any of the people on the list post images on the site.lets get some more exposure for a great camera process. chip renner I don't know anything about this site (I don't even know the URL), but since it is free and easy to create your own website, I would expect that pinholers simply create their own site and display their work. Cheers- george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] [pinhole discussion] New Lith Print
http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=chri sharkness .jpg The message came to me as above. Fortunately, I knew to paste it together so that I could appreciate the image. There is a good way to distribute long URLs so that they won't break up. One option is to go to http://www.tinyurl.com. In the above case, the link could be shortened to http://tinyurl.com/k95. The site is free to use. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] white holes in negatives
--- Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net wrote: What causes negatives to get those little holes in them? Not literally all the way through the film base, but holes in the emulsion, like little clear or white specks? I think I heard some place that you can prevent those by using water instead of stop, but I always use water and I get them anyway. Maybe I'm handling the negatives too roughly? Are you referring to sheet film? If so, then they are probably dust specks. I had this problem for a while but have been able to get rid of most of them by cleaning the film holder and slide before loading. I use an attachment to my Dust Buster that lets me work on a small area. Cleaning them from the dust particles that have settled since the last time I used them is essential, since one flips the slide to the other side after exposure, so it will accumulate dust naturally. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Kodak Revisions to films.......
I guess it hasn't been improved in ten years, and still won't be ten years from now. g Cheers - george --- D Hill zopp...@yahoo.com wrote: Well friends, it's happening again... I don't want to be a Fuji fanatic - preferably an evangelist. If you want a good substitution for good-ole Tri-X, get a can of Fuji Neopan 400. Still the same film it was 10 years ago, and still the same film 10 years from now. Thanks for the info Andy, Don Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net wrote: Kodak Revisions: Due to a change in film base, Kodak has announced that all TMax, Plus-X and Tri-X films are to be rereleased with revised names and development times. The new films are replacing the old ones as stock runs out, and Kodak anticipates the changeover taking place between now and the end of the year. New Tri-X data has yet to be published, but some times are available for the other films. Existing development times differ only marginally from the new times, so all current development data remains perfectly usable as starting points. Click here for further information and to identify which version of the film you are using. http://www.digitaltruth.com/chart/tables/kodaklookup.html Thought you might like to know... regards Andy Schmitt Computerist, Photographer, Slayer of Dragons All opinions expressed are mine... Unless otherwise stated or REALLY stupid www.aandy.org - not non-profit on purpose Head of Photography, Paters Valley Craft Center ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] re: paper negative
Has anyone ever confirmed that the logo on the back affects the image? As previously stated, when I tried a Kodak paper (it was probably Polycontrast III) I saw no logo when I contact-printed the negative. Cheers - george --- D Hill zopp...@yahoo.com wrote: Another note on papers. I used to use Ilford, but I got cranky at the price one day so I picked up a box of Mitsubishi Gekko Matte, tried it and liked it - and It's also great for proofs. It is a wonderful matte surface VC RC paper, and is quite inexpensive at about $33 for 100 - 8x10. It does not have the logo imprinted on the back. You can get the stuff through Freestyle if you want to try it. However, if all of us run out to freestyle to purchase the great inexpensive paper - they just might play the kodak game and charge up the price. Ah, the joys of photography. Don Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net wrote: confirmed...Ilford is logo free... andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of James Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:40 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] re: paper negative on paper negatives: seagull oriental brand papers (confirmed with my own eyes) and forte brand (as told by company representative) do not have logos. i've heard that ilford is also logo free. ISO is between 6 and 2. i've been using film developer for about 5-10 minutes, and this reduces the contrast somewhat. you might take a took at this url, the history and how to of paper negatives, including info on william mortenson's special techniques: http://www.photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa051302a.htm -- James Luckett http://consumptive.org ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] reciprocity failure and development times
Jay - If reciprocity failure has caused an underexposure of the scene, then increasing the development is simply going to increase the contrast of the scene. If shadow values have not received enough exposure, then no amount of developing is going to bring them back. Cheers - george --- b1jmgj58 plasticfo...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello Shannon, For longer exposures I always use a water / developer technique. I expose my film normally and figure any reciprocity law failure as need and factor that into my development time like usual. I ususally use this process when I shoot at night but it also works for long exposures during the day. You setup your regular developer, stop and fix and also a tank of water. Now the development of your negatives will take alot longer. Example if your development time is 7min you must break down the development time like this: 30 sec in developer AGITATING ALL THE TIME 30 sec in water NO AGITATION THIS ONE MINUTE OF DEVELPER / WATER ONLY EQUALS 15sec OF ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT TIME. SO TO GET 1 MINUTE OF DEVELOPMENT TIME YOU MUST DO THIS 4 TIMES: 15sec X 4 = 60 sec So your original 7 min development time now turns into 28 min with this technique of every 30 secs moving the negatives from the developer to the water and back untill the 28mins is up. O yes this of course must be done in complete darkness because you have to use open tanks to transfer the negs from the developer to the water. For regular 35mm film load it on a reel or if you are using sheet film onto those metal guides for dip and dunk development. The process seems very long but believe me you will not believe the results that you get I have been using this technique for a year and a half and I am still impressed with the detail you get in the highlight and the shadows and the negatives print up beautifully. What the water does is wash out the developer in the highlights because they develop really quickly but it has no effect on the shadows and lets them still develop normally. I have tried other techniques like the Bird Bath and mixing fast and slow developers but I find this works best. I hope this helps you if you have any question feel free to contact me about this and tell me how it works out for you. JAY. Shannon Stoney wrote: Sorry to have a one track mind, but I am still thinking about whether you need to change your development times when you make long exposures. The theory seems to be that highlights expose more than shadows during long exposures, so that you should under-develop. But, when I do this the highlights look too dull. I am wondering if this rule is really true. What do other people on this list do? Do you develop less as you make longer exposures? --shannon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] reciprocity failure and development times
--- gregg b. mc neill gbmcne...@hotmail.com wrote: [clip] The whole thing about overexpose and under develop, or underexpose to over develop never made sense to me as the conditions under which I shoot could change mid-roll. gregg mcneill Actually, this has more to do with working with sheet film, as one can alter the exposure and development to suit the particular scene. This really has to do with dealing with contrast, but reciprocity failure has more to do with simply proper exposure. I have always developed normally when dealing with reciprocity failure and obtained good results. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Cutting oatmeal box
--- Chris Harris cpharrisph...@hotmail.com wrote: I'll be teaching a pinhole class, constructing cameras from Quaker oatmeal canisters. I'd like to avoid using knives to cut the opening for the pinhole. I've seen suggestions for using a Dremel drill, which I don't own. A trip to my local hardware store wasn't helpful; the tool guy said a Dremel wouldn't cut a clean hole in cardboard and pointed out the cost of the drill. You don't really need a clean hole. I'm assuming that you will be making a pinhole from pie pan aluminum (or something like that), then affixing it to the inside of the cannister over the larger hole. That being the case, I would think that just about anything would work - perhaps use a pencil to make the hole, then use sandpaper to smooth the burrs. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] painting cookie tin cameras
--- Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net wrote: I just developed a negative that I made in a cookie tin camera yesterday. It looks sort of flat; that is , there are no good darks I suspect, just looking at the negative. It looks like it might be fogged all over sort of evenly. I wonder if that might be because the inside of the tin is still a bit shiny. It's as if the shininess of the tin is showing through the black although you can't see any unpainted tin. I gave it one coat of flat black; should I give it another coat? Also, I got rather cheap black enamel. Maybe I should have gotten a slightly better grade. Did you paint the bottom of the can, as well as its lid? I don't think that the quality of the paint will have much to do with it, but if the inside is not completely covered, then you should try an additional coat of paint. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] film canister cameras
When I made my film cannister camera, I made a separate pinhole from aluminum pie pan stock and affixed it to the inside of the cannister. I don't think that it will work too well to just poke a hole in the plastic (well, for some, this may be what they are looking for, but it just isn't my style). Cheers - george --- Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, it´'s normal if the pinhole is direkt in the plastic of the can. Try a greater opening -like your penny- in the film-cannister and put the pinhole (from soda-can or each other thin material)in the middle of this greater hole. This will work great. OK. I did this when I made a pinhole camera out of a cookie tin. But why does it make a difference if the hole is made out of thin metal? Does the thickness of the plastic make the image smaller? --shannon regards, ingo - Original Message - From: Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:17 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] film canister cameras How big is the image supposed to be with the film canister cameras? I made an exposure today and it's about the size of a penny. Is that normal? --shannon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Litho - Halftone film question
--- Greg Newberry grnewbe...@qwest.net wrote: I'm building an 8x10 pinhole camera and I planned on using RC paper for the negative and then contact print it. It was recommended to me to also consider using sheet film because of the flexibility of doing alternative contact prints. Litho/Half tone film was recommended because of it's price. Can someone tell me about this type of film? What kind of negative do you get? How do you develop it? Brand price? What you gain or loose over using normal sheet negatives? If you're going to be using it for alternative processing, you'll definitely want to use some form of film. Contrast is an important element in dealing with something like the Van Dyke process, and using paper probably is not going to give you the contrast you'll need (plus, you need to think in terms of pretty long exposure times under your light unit). I use Arista Premium Halftone film and shoot it at around EI 6. Development is normally with Dektol diluted 1+10. The primary advantage of halftone film over something like TMX is one of price, as there is a vbast difference between the two. I will probably upload my Pinhole Day picture tonight, which was taken with Arista and printed with the Van Dyke process. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] developing little pieces of 35mm film
--- Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net wrote: I have been thinking about making some tiny cameras with Altoids boxes and 35mm plastic film canisters. But, how do you develop the small piece of film you have exposed with such a camera? It would seem awkward to try to thread it onto a regular reel. Tiny tubes, as in BTZS tubes? Trays? When I shoot with film in my film cannister pinhole camera, I develop, stop, and fix within the container itself. Why now do this in the Altoids can? Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] speed of paper versus film
--- lwilkin...@schilli.com wrote: I'm struggling to understand the relationship between film and photographic paper. Specifically, calculating exposures, etc. Where film may be considered ASA 100, paper may be considered P100. Obviously, it's not the same 100...but what's the relationship? There is no relationship, the two mean entirely two different things. FWIW, you may wish to use EI 6 as a starting point in your testing, as most papers hover in that range. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] United States airline screening and film
--- Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net wrote: Can anyone with a better knowledge of physics than I, comment on whether BW film would be more or less susceptible to xray devices? Actually, color film and black and white film are pretty much the same. The only real difference is that color film has dyes that work with the grain clusters to produce the three colors. There should be no appreciable difference. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Day Questions
--- Patrick Barrett barrettpatr...@hotmail.com wrote: Here is the root of the question: All the negatives were black! I assume that we drastically over-exposed the paper. I do not think that it was fogged, but I suppose it is possible. The cameras were not light-leaky. Is there an image? If so, then chances are that this was the case of massive over-exposure. However, I would go back and test the camera for a light leak, as this is more probable. Please film in the camera and set it outside for an hour. If you get anything after developing the film then you've got a light leak. One problem that I ran across was fogging due to the sun coming directly in through the pinhole. My exposure time on Sunday was about 15 minutes, and this gave the sun an opportunity at one point to move into a position where is came directly into the hole. This only happened on one shot and the result was more fog than an actual turning of the negative to black, but it's worth a consideration. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Storage
Yes, freezing it is definitely best. Last year I just finished some Konica Infrared that had been in the freezer since 1992 and it worked like fresh film (I'm sure that others have older stories). Cheers - george --- Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net wrote: HR HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=windows-1251 META content=MSHTML 6.00.2715.400 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY P DIV/DIV DIV DIVHey,/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVI've a question hopefully some of you will be able to answer. Recently i've realized that buying film in bulk is a whole lot cheaper than buying individual rolls(i know, this is more a 35mm question, than pinhole, but it is pertanent). i'm sure you've all realized this a long time ago, but i'm young, i have an excuse. so i was wondering what the best way to store film is. should i freeze it? /DIV = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] fixing in tubes and trays
--- shannon stoney ssto...@pdq.net wrote: Does it have to be absolutely, plumb thick dark when you finish fixing in the tray after a short fix in the tubes? I don't have a completely dark ventilated place yet. If you are using BTZS tubes, you can do everything (except loading the tubes) with the lights on. After opening the caps and dumping the developer, the tubes go into the stop, then the fix - I do this with the lights on. No fogging. If you are worried about clearing the last vestiges of the antihalation layer, as I mentioned before, this can be done with water. Yes, you can go through the additional step of using fixer in a tray, but why not simply use the wash water? Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] BTZS tubes; fixing
--- Clay Harmon wchar...@wt.net wrote: One of the big reasons to fix in a tray using the BTZS tubes is to get the fixer to the back of the film so it will remove the pink anti-halation backing during fixing. The only knock on the tubes is that you do tend to have problems with the antihalation dye remaining on the back of the negative. Hypo clear will help get rid of it. I've not had this problem. After fixing, I simply allow the negatives to sit in water for about 15 minutes, then I wash them. The antihalation backing is completely removed. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Developers?
--- Beau Schwarz ejschwar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi! Based on a View Camera article, I've thought about trying D76 as the developer for paper negatives. However, in looking at a Kodak Dataguide, Dektol will develope 120 sheets of paper while D76 will develope approx. 16 8x10 sheets of film. So the question is how many sheets of paper will a gallon of D76 develope? How do you tell when the developer is near exhaustion? Or would it be best to use it as a one shot developer? You should always use developer for your negative as one-shot (unless it is specifically designed for replenishment). Whereas you can always make another print, if you screw up your negative with inadequate chemistry, you're pretty much out of luck. Is there some way of 'taming' dektol, so it gives a less contrasty neg? Of course, just increase the dilution. I use a dilute version of Dektol (1+10 to 1+20, depending upon the scene) when processing halftone film. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Source for 8x10 film holders
I got all of mine on eBay. Cheers - george --- Bill Erickson erick...@hickorytech.net wrote: I've seen a number of wooden ones on Ebay. - Original Message - From: Greg Newberry grnewbe...@qwest.net To: Pinhole-Discussion pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Source for 8x10 film holders Hi, I want to buy a few used (but good) 8x10 film holders for my pinhole photos. Is there a good source you know of? Thanks Greg = Handmade Photographic Images http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Test site
--- jamesromeo jamesro...@mac.com wrote: on 3/11/02 9:16 PM, Andy Schmitt at aschm...@warwick.net wrote: Where did you get the 25mb storage ? Have I missed something? James When @Home separated from Comcast (all sites were dumped without offering the ability to at least include a pointer to the new location), Comcast needed to offer webspace with their Internet access. I am still trying to find someone from their service department who can tell me where my space is located and how I can use FTP to move my files. Cheers - george (whose site was dumped, and is now located at htpp://GLSmyth.com) = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Yahoo !
--- pinfreak pinfr...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Thanks to everone's kind words on the zero multiformat cameraI placed my order tonight ! Now... hummm any favorites on what black and white film to use and why ? I use TMX because it is what I normally use with my lens camera and I am familiar with it. It's best to start with a film with which you have some familiarity, then try other things. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] cameras from the grocery
--- jack durrett jd...@cox.net wrote: Lately, I've been looking for good camera ideas when I'm at the grocery. If you are a coffee drinker and into homemade cameras check out the Maxwell House Filter Pack coffee box. Wide mouth for easy film swapping, lid is hinged blue plastic that probably needs just a few sprays of matte black. Actually, this will not work, as the paint will simply peel off. I use coffee cans as cameras and found an easy way to get around this is to use the plastic that comes from the wrapper of photographic paper. Just cut a circle of it, place it over the top, then put the top on. Works like a champ. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] T-Max processing
--- Tim Midkiff ku...@vci.net wrote: Hi all, I'm processing 8 strips, individually, of T-max 100 on a reel that I have exposed. The question I have is, should I alter the development time because is a shorter strip instead of a full roll of 120? You would develop the same with one frame as a full roll. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: mini-pin + photo flo sub
--- Christian Harkness chris.harkn...@eudoramail.com wrote: Well, I once used a liguid detergent for dishwashers instead of Photo-Flo it throughly ruined my negatives, much worse then if I had not used Photo-Flo. so This is why I suggested away from it in my initial message. PhotoFlo is one of those products that has been used forever and has worked well for countless photographers. When using something from the cabinet, you have to worry about immediate problems, as well as those that may be detrimental to the archival properties of your film. I can't imagine using something that has not been extensively tested on my negatives, since if they go, they're gone (prints can always be reprinted). Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
I have read of options to Photo-Flo, but never tried them because although they may work, they may also be detrimental to the film on down the line. I'd rather not take that chance. When I developed in my bathroom, I steamed it by turning on the shower before hanging my film. Once the steam had settled things, I hung the film and closed the door. I had been having problems with dust and this took care of the situation. I've got a darkroom now and do not have those problems. Cheers - george --- Tim Midkiff ku...@vci.net wrote: Hi all, This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! Also what do you folks with darkrooms at home do about drying film? Has anyone build a small film drying cabinet? Or seen plans or worthy ideas? since I do both 120 and 35roll at home some, I would like something small and cheap(!) would it be feasible to construct something to dry a few rolls (2-4) of 120? maybe use muffin fans? maybe this is just wishful thinking and not practical. could 35mm film be held by both ends up in a U shape to conserve space? there I go dreaming again. Most importantly, the photo-flo. thanks, tim Timothy S. Midkiff Photographers get a Click out of life! ku...@vci.net psycho_...@excite.com = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] paper negatives?
--- Matti Koskinen mjkos...@koti.soon.fi wrote: Hi all [clip] Another issue is that I have never developed sheet films and using photographic paper is easy to develop in the darkroom because you can have safelight. You can develop orthochromatic film in your darkroom with your safelight on. This makes it so that you have all of the advantages of easy development and easy contact printing. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] umm (ortho-litho development)
Gord - It also probably has a fair amount to do with the developer. Many developers of this type will result in a lessened film speed. It's just the cost of doing business. Cheers - george --- Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca wrote: Hi: It seems that rating the film at 1 ASA compensates for reciprocity. I'm not sure of the F-stop of the 12x18- its not my camera. We usually get a good estimate of the pinhole diamter using a loup and a fine ruler graduated in .5 mm From that we calculate the f-stop based on the focal length. We use a light-meter to get an exposure base. It gets good negatives from exposures in the range of 5 min to an hour. Never had an exposure of less than 5 minutes with this film and LC-1 Gord On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, John Yeo wrote: I use LC-1 and ortho film too. Its very good. However it is slow. An ASA of 1. I've used a 12 X 18 camera. It ended up having an f stop in the range 0f 300. This translates to an exposure of an hour on a bright sunny day for one picture. How does that work? For a sunny day exposure with ASA 1, you would have 1 sec @ f/16. f/360 is 9 stops away from f/16, so your exposure should be about 8.5 min... Or is it because of reciprocity failure that you are getting exposures of an hour? John ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca 112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsg University of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461Canada S7N 5E2 - ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Favorite Cameras?
--- Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net wrote: Hey Everyone, I haven't yet begun to construct my first pinhole camera. I'm so busy with school work and everything. I have a question for you all. What is your favorite type of pinhole camera? A coffee can. It fits a sheet of 4X5 perfectly and is pretty much indestructable. As the plastic tops that come with coffee cans are not opaque, simply cut a round piece of the plastic that your photographic paper comes in and spread it over the top, snaping the plastic lid over it. It works very well. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] paper instead of film?
--- jack durrett jd...@cox.net wrote: Hi all. I'm a newbie to the list and to pinhole but I've been eagerly reading the posts and picking up a few pointers. However, I have a basic question. I've made some pinhole cameras and taken some film pictures with each. Now I'm wanting to use some photo paper instead. I bought some Ilford 5x7 Multigrade IV RC Deluxe MGD.44M Pearl paper. Apparently the back of the paper is too opaque to make contact prints. What is the best paper for this? Is paper comparable quality-wise (for the image) or should I stick to film? Sorry for so simple a question but even the best photog store here hasn't been much help. (You should have seen the quizzical looks when I mentioned pinhole.) I figured I'd try paper after looking at an Oatmeal Box pinhole site. http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~stewoody/ They used paper and the resulting contact prints looked good. The pics look to be from the '70s though. Maybe they made photo paper more transparent then. ;^) Jack - You can expose through the paper, it just takes considerably longer. There are ways of stripping the backing of the paper, but if you really don't want to use film (certainly, the easiest negative type with which to work) I would suggest looking at half-tone film. This is relatively cheap and can be developed with dilute Dektol (I use it in the 1+10 to 1+20 dilution, depending upon the scene). Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole or not/project advice
--- Ø seg...@earthlink.net wrote: hello list, ive been experimenting with pinhole photography for awhile, and it dawned on me... what is a pinhole? i mean, what size constitutes a pinhole? smaller than f/64? f/128? and what about lens-less photography? In my mind, pinhole photography is lensless photography (in a manner of speaking, zone plate photography is not lensless, as the zone plate does focus (somewhat) the light), so it isn't a matter of specifying aperture. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 Field Leaks
--- Howard Wells sandw...@earthlink.net wrote: Agree that Tupperware leaks. The field process I outlined before my coffee (and is stolen from Marc Hauser) involves moist paper towels and sponge. No sloshing liquids, which can be carried in a water bottle. It does involve handling wet towels and sponge so that probably leaves the Sodium S. solution out unless you uses gloves. Howard - Although sodium sulfite works nicely to clear the negative, you can get away with just leaving the negative in water until you get back to home base. I like the idea of using wet towels instead of carrying a bucket of liquid. However, as I've shot just about all of my Type-55, I will be eBaying my 545 holder very soon. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 holding tank
I never did find anything that worked well and kept the liquid within its container. Even Tupperware containers will leak with enough agitation. The process got messy to the point where using Type 55 in the field no longer made sense to me. Cheers - george --- Colin Talcroft ctalcr...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, this has been on my mind, too. I was thinking maybe a Tupperware container of the right size? My question to those of you who use Type 55 in the field is this, How do you keep the negative moist until you get home Thanks dalf...@aol.com = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] umm (ortho-litho development)
--- R Duarte ra...@rahji.com wrote: ummm, sorry.. i also wanted to ask if anyone has sort of a summary of developing techniques for that ortho-litho stuff (eg which chemicals in which dilutions). i wish there was an easier way to search the archives. :-/ I have used half-tone film a fair amount, but can't give you anything concrete. I shoot it at about EI 2-5 and develop with Dektol diluted 1:10 through 1:20. The variations are due to the differences in the scene. I might suggest that you use this information as a starting point and do testing to see what works best for you. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New website
--- Richard M. Koolish kool...@bbn.com wrote: Leslie, My apologies. I assumed when the cursor didn't change to a pointing hand that a larger image was not available. Your images are even better when enlarged. Bob Russman I can't seem to get the enlargements to work with Netscape. Works fine with Internet Explorer. I didn't realize that clicking on the picture brought up a larger version of the image. I would recommend that that is a major usability problem. Why are you using Javascript to do this? Don't get me wrong, I love Javascript (actually, I am teaching a class in it tonight), but in this particular case it is working as a real negative and is not really giving you any benefits. I would very highly recommend using standard HTML for links to the larger images. I would also suggest not using popup windows, or if you must, to at least use a window name for all images so that each picture doesn't have to be individually closed. Also, as Richard noted, the links will not work with old versions of Netscape, so by not using standard HTML you lock those people out. Finally, the problem with frames is that you can't point anyone to a particular area of your website. For instance, instead of sending a link like http://www.lesliedavisp at ???/railways.htm to send someone to your Railways pictures, you have to send them to the main site, then tell them to search for the proper picture to select, hoping that the rollover image has loaded (two of them took a long time to load, so at first I had no clue as to what those areas represented). Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New website
--- lad...@aol.com wrote: I invite all members to take a look at my new pinhole website a provide me with your opinions. It can be found at www.lesliedavisp at ??? I would recommend offering larger images. The thumbnails look interesting, but I can't really see enough with such small pictures. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
