I ran into similar confusions as you a few weeks back.
What I realized is that Velruse - and some other packages - kind of
exist as standalone authentication micro-apps that wrap other auth
libraries, and not as libraries to build that functionality into your
own app as you would want. For some
I wish I was online over the holidays to take part in this discussion.
Here's my .02¢ :
- I think SqlAlchemy is the best ORM out there, and it's honestly been
the deciding factor for me going with Pylons and sticking with
Pyramid.
- I think Pyramid core really needs to have a concrete DB/ORM
I *think* wyatt might be referencing a technique similar to how
Facebook Connect works.
- In your templates, you can just set a JS variable/object in JSON ,
and then have your external JS files reference it on load.
- Between using that, and a lot of callbacks in your JS code, you can
keep most
I'm now using pyramid for some projects.
Under Pylons I would almost always do the following:
1. Use multiple Engines ( Write, Read, Config, Log ) which each had
different permissions in PostgreSQL.
2. Have my models reflect the database. With some custom routines, I
largely just had to pass in
I've built dozens of sites over the past 14 or so years , with Ad
Agencies, Large Brands, Tech Startups, Major Media companies.
Doing this, I've learned that Frameworks are really really great for
the run-of-the-mill project that has a quick deadline, doesn't do
anything new exciting, and has a
Exactly what do you want to do - and why ?
You're talking about adding a new sort parameter to the current
url. If you meant that you want to change the URL, then you have two
options:
1. return a pyramid.httpexceptions.HTTPFound . you'd want to do this
before you touch the database or any
The following line works fine:
self.request.response.set_cookie( 'fb-loggedin',
value='1', max_age=None, path='/' )
However, this line creates an interesting error
self.request.response.set_cookie( 'fb-loggedin', value=1,
max_age=None, path='/' )
IOError: [Errno 20] Not a
in pylons , i only had to do :
from pylons import config
and then all my (development|production).ini info was available
what is the equivalent under pyramid ? i can't seem to figure it out.
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thanks kindly! i probably glanced over that line a dozen times.
On Dec 6, 1:32 pm, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:28 -0800, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
in pylons , i only had to do :
from pylons import config
and then all my (development|production).ini
i'm using pyramid with akhet
according to the docs, i should be able to do something like this:
@view_config(renderer='json')
def login_status(self):
rval= [1,2,4]
return rval
That creates an error for me:
ValueError: Could not convert view return value [1, 2, 4]
dicts and lists don't work. i posted a list to the group, because its
the simplest object.
On Dec 4, 7:08 pm, John Anderson son...@gmail.com wrote:
You should return a dictionary not a list.
rval = {'values': [1,2,4]}
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Jonathan Vanasco jonat
so you sort of solved this. you at least pointed me in the right
direction to experiment!
works:
@action(renderer='json')
doesn't work:
@view_config(renderer='json')
On Dec 4, 8:11 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think so, but akhet does use pyramid_handlers, so
On Dec 4, 8:11 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, I'm working on Akhet 2 which will not have an application
scaffold, but expanded docs instead. So the days of the 'akhet'
scaffold are numbered.
Sigh. I do like the scaffold. It's mostly going to be replaced with
No idea. Is there any way to log/debug what is happening within vim?
FYI:
My normal workflow though is:
Terminal window 1:
$ paster serve --reload development.ini
Terminal window 2-10
vim, postgres, etc
+ textwrangler windows
On Dec 2, 10:47 am, Mark Erbaugh m...@microenh.com wrote:
On Nov 29, 9:23 pm, Michael Merickel mmeri...@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless, I hope this is way too much information about Pyramid internals
and I'm curious what you're planning on doing that you'd need to trace the
undocumented apis.
First, thanks a TON!
This is *way* too much info indeed!
You may be over-thinking this.
The only good reason I've encountered to not have the passwords within
the codebase, is worries of :
1. a web config makes the file viewable as plaintext
2. a web config makes the file's revision control info viewable as
plaintext
3. not trusting the source
@John Anderson
You could do that, but then you're using the Pyramid auth/security
framewor - and i want to stay away from it. i'm not a fan of its
design, and it won't work easily/quickly with how I like to build
apps.
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Thanks Michael and Chris!
Michael's solution worked instantly. I was having trouble getting
Chris's to work... then realized that I was running pyramid_handlers
0.1 , not 0.4. instant gratification after upgrade!
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it's in the Configurator an the action_method decorator
just wondering what it is, i'm knee deep trying to understand the
architecture
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thanks all for the insight.
a couple of quick responses :
1. i like to put 'device' and feature detection client-side as much as
possible, but i've encountered situations where you need to implement
a server-side solution:
a) the webpage is too large , and you want to keep all JS running
until
Pylons had a nice little convenience method under the hood...
If i had the equivalent of:
config.add_handler(account, /account/{action},
myapp.handlers.account:AccountHandler,)
a request to-
account/sign-up
would map to-
class AccountHandler:
def sign_up():
when is a good time for us to connect on aim/irc/etc and plan some
integration stuff out ?
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I think pyramid_simpleform is the easiest.
I forked it and added a method to handle form reprints. I think its
in that sqla fork I shared with you too. if you stick to the
following paradigm, it works well:
def form_dispatch:
if request.submit:
return self._form_submit
return
i'm trying to port an old perl project ( which was essentially
middleware for the mod_perl environment ) to Pyramid/WSGI
The basic premise is that it:
- migrates the x-fowraded-for header into remote-addr
- but only from accepted servers by ip
- but only from accepted servers with a lan secret
thanks. the accepted ips don't need to be db based. the notion is
that you can trivially ensure that a request is through your gateway
and doesn't have spoofed headers if the application recognizes both a
the ip of the server and a secret that only those ips would know.
for example, you would
i've noticed a lot of -discuss items being spoken about in -devel
lately... i had often thought that -discuss was for people /using/
pyramid, and -devel was for people /building/ it.
if that is still the case, can i suggest the -devel list make a firm
policy of having people repost here?
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just noticed that ContextObj and AttribSafeContextObj are not in
pyramid.
are there versions in pyramid, or are they gone ?
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just noticed that ContextObj and AttribSafeContextObj are not in
pyramid.
are there versions in pyramid, or are they gone ?
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Great news to see traction!
I've been busy porting over a microframework we used under Pylons for
many projects to Pyramid and shared with some trusted friends. The
application design is changing quite a bit due to pyramid, so its a
complete rewrite. I'm taking this as an opportunity to just
you should ask on the cherrypy list. that is another webserver,
different than pylons.
On Feb 24, 3:48 am, Sandeep Kulkarni sandeep.kulka...@bsil.com
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Hi,
Following is my back end code in python.
def download_key(self):
import cherrypy
have you looked at the pyramid_sqla stuff ? i think mike orr may have
done some of this.
in my pylons apps, ive never needed sessions to persist between
requests.. so i looked more at global settings and request based
stashes.
On Feb 24, 9:51 pm, Wyatt Baldwin wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.com wrote:
pyramid.httpexceptions.HTTPFound(location='http://...') wherever you
need to do a redirect.
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 09:06 -0800, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
i'm trying to port some custom pylons authentication , which had
redirects in __init__ and __before__
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To be clear:
This works:
@action(renderer='/test_a.mako')
def test_a1(self):
return {'project':'myapp'}
@action(renderer='/test_b.mako')
def test_b1(self):
return {'project':'myapp'}
def test_c1(self):
return render_to_response('/test_b.mako',
after fighting for a while, i got the functionality i needed , and
integrated it with form processing
i forked pyramid_simpleform on bitbucket and refactored
`_form_reprint` into `handler_reprint`.
it was pain to figure out how to munge the response object
correctly... and i should probably
personally, think it would be best to decouple the moving parts as
much as possible
to me, there is :
html form creation - great if this is baked-in, but it shouldn't be
required
form validation - i think formencode is fine, but i often use it as
a first-pass and then handle things in my
i'm trying to figure out some paradigms in pyramid
using the pyramid_sqla template...
if i have:
@action(renderer='/account/test_a.mako')
def test_a(self):
return {'project':'myapp'}
@action(renderer='/account/test_b.mako')
def test_b(self):
return
sorry, let me rephrase - is it possible to dispatch to another
function and have it handle the render + define the template ?
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I've forked Mike's pyramid_sqla , and have been extending the
templates to be more familiar to pylons users.
Namely:
1- making the app structure seem more like a more mature pylons 1.0
app
2- added some reference functions around form submissions , beaker
session usage , etc
3- integrated some
1. I think it would be better if everything related to Pyramid/Pylons
were on a single system ( ie: GitHub or BitBucket ).
2. The Pyramid stuff should have better linkage on PylonsHQ.com ; its
a text-link buried in paragraphs.
3. I'm looking at the pyramid_sqla template. question.. i see stuff
On Feb 18, 12:21 pm, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
Getting there got the Pylons framework on there, and most everything is
on GitHub that the Pylons Project encompassas. Which projects were you
referring to that aren't?
pyramid_sqla isn't. If Mike Orr wants help learning
On Feb 14, 10:08 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you seen the pyramid_sqla package, which includes an application
template? It addresses these three.
Nope. Took a lot of combing to find. It was kind of hidden under
some text on the Pyramid intro. Would be great to see that in
I spent some time today with Pyramid. It was a bit of a rollercoaster
-- at times I was very excited, at others very stressed. i figured
i'd share my thoughts here for the maintainers.
1. on setting up an app, there were no instructions on how to setup
for a postgres 'url' in sqlalchemy ; in
i'm looking at porting some stuff over, and after reading the docs
have a few concerns:
- under pylons i have multiple db connections : read, write, log,
admin-write, etc. each has different db permissions to ensure
security and tie in with clustering. all the Pyramid examples I've
seen revolve
I've done a lot of cross-language systems. They're really quite easy.
The main issue with them is session data, but everyone can read YAML
and JSON. while they're not as fast as natively pickled/packed data,
even the slowest systems around can process them with ease.
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i've been working on something similar that is pylons based for a
while; but they're already up and running
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beautiful soup lets you do it too, and fixes the document while its at
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i tried it a while back, and then gave up.
i don't think its worth it, because facebook has changed the way the
apps work so many damn times
i think you'd be better off just using one of the many full-featured,
mature, has-tons-of-people-maintaining-it php libraries that are out
there , and let
On Aug 12, 9:33 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
Hooray. I'm not in NYC but I've heard most of the jobs there are Java,
so I'm glad more Python employers are appearing. Maybe you can hire me
in a few years if I ever move there. :)
Let me know if you do! But I'll probably be living
Hi all-
One of the startups that I'm working with will be starting a round of
hiring in the next 2-6 weeks. We're in NYC.
I'm effectively the director of product engineering... or something
like that. The CTO is focused on RD, so I'm dually the product
manager and building out the development
On Aug 12, 6:54 pm, Wojtek Augustynski waugustyn...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice to see.
Wish there were more Pylons jobs in the SF Bay Area! :)
?!? There are TONS. a lot of the 'hot' and well funded startups are
hiring pylons people.
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this just happened today, its driving me crazy
all of my (local) pylons apps won't respond on my mac. the browser
pause for a few seconds, and then i see:
RTSP/1.0 404 Not Found
Content-Length: 0
it's happening with all browsers.
anyone have an idea what setting I messed up ?
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On Jun 16, 2:23 pm, cd34 mcd...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you running the Darwin/Quicktime Streaming Server on your machine?
figured it out!
VLC had crashed earlier in the week, and somehow grabbed a slew of
ports.
thanks for pointing me in the right direction. i couldn't figure out
what / why
I use FormEncode very happily... along with a custom solution.
1. For multiple-step logic, I use multiple FormEncode forms.
2. For advanced formatting, my stuff looks like this:
def form(self):
if request.params.get('m') == 'submit':
return self._form__submit()
return
just make a function in helpers:
def my_url( u ):
u2= url(u)
if config['site_url_scheme'] == 'https':
something
else:
somthing
and call h.my_url() wherever you need it
you could even redefine url() and then access the original, but stuff
like that can be a PITA to debug
I'm of this school of thought:
if you're doing anything with moderate to high traffic, you should be
running NGINX on port 80 , with a proxypass to something else.
What you proxypass to, however, is up to you.
1- paster
2- wsgi
3- apache
the important thing is to get Apache off of port 80 , its
i'm running pylons apps on a few VPS
my issues have been this:
- the database takes up a lot of ram
- the search engine takes up a lot of ram
pylons app performance has been better as more ram is tossed in.
if you're running a DB like postgres or mysql on the same vps, i would
probably use
i never had to do this before.
some sample code is below; basically in a function i need to 'expire'
some looped items , so i pull fresh from the db.
my problem is that i don't know how to access the db from within the
model ; i could pass-it-in explicitly from the controller... but i'd
really
On Apr 4, 4:28 pm, cd34 mcd...@gmail.com wrote:
While the controller is cleaner, does that really make it more
readable? From a maintainability standpoint, would someone new to the
code be able to see what that action was doing reasonably quickly?
If i were going for code readability, I
On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, cd34 mcd...@gmail.com wrote:
(task_id,status) = task().bigtask().add(get_client_id(), \
request.params['device_id'], \
request.params['username'], \
request.params['ip'], \
i handle this two different ways:
1- I'll use a helper function to handle this
/lib/helpers/comments
def list_comments( object , offset=0 , limit=10 ):
# stuff here to grab the comments
# return fragment or populate c? who knows
2- I'll use a shared inheritance class
def
slightly off topic...
my app/__init__.py file always has this bit:
import sys
appdir= sys.path[0]
appexternals= %s/##APPNAME##/lib/externals % appdir
sys.path.append(appexternals)
import OpenSocialNetwork
OpenSocialNetwork.appname= '##APPNAME##/'
osn is a microframework that's in
I really do love the fact that Pylons offers the unit tests ; however
as others have mentioned - they can be really difficult to use when
session based data is concerned ( or when forms require access to
Globals ,etc etc )
I pretty much stopped using them a while back, and just started doing
routes allows for functions to be used - you could match on the /
app, and then use a function to determine the function.
there are a few examples in this mailing list archives, the docs on
routes don't really make this feature clear ( or even how to use it )
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for what its worth...
I find ORM useful for three things:
- inserts of new records
- updates of single records
- displaying data in templates
i find ORM a hassle on larger items. i'd much rather write SQL
myself , that i know is optimized and i have control over.
A great middle ground which
i store the files into a top-level directory called
user_uploads ( ie. on the same level as data and public )
i do this, only because i find it easier to handle backups /
redundancy
when the images are 'public', i have a symlink from public/_img/NAME
into that directory. just to note, i never
just to add...
the return in return redirect is unnecessary. a simple redirect
will suffice.
redirect raises an exception, which Pylons itself catches. as wyatt
stated, the script is terminated, and the user is redirected to a new
page with the c context tossed out.
i usually toss any
my code is still running on sqlalchemy .48, so if this has been
addressed in future versions - let me know!
lets say i have a one-to-many sqlalchemy relation, and loop an
attribute called items:
def cleanup( cart ):
for item in cart.items:
if item.qty == 0 :
Mike danced around a good point above which he didn't explictly
mention - for most formencode validators the results will be Strings
-- both in the validator and form_result. So they may mess up your
comparisons or validations.
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sorry, i'm sick and really loopy...
let me rephrase ( and this may have changed since last i tested a
while bac )
everything that comes through request.params / submitted to your
pylons app is a string
there are some neat validators that will handle conversions for you,
so everything is
i spent the past 3 hours going through my own validate code, and the
original pylons that i forked off of, trying to figure out why params
is always empty on a form error.
i finally tracked down the issue.
@validate has this line, so that the form can be re-run as a GET with
htmlfill args:
personally, i keep anything that could hit the database away from
formencode
i use formencode to validate presence and formatting / regex, and keep
the db logic within a try/except block. if i have an error, i'll
raise a SubmissionError - or similar - and then return the form.
i do this for a
ah, interesting -- so the validation becomes a function of the
controller.
i'd like to make a suggestion to your then.
i have an arg to validate called gatekeeper , which is enabled as True
by default ( along with post_only )
In conjunction with one another, gatekeeper just makes sure that if
if you store things on the filesystem, you'll need to use a hashing
algorithm to bucket it effectively -- filesystems don't like too many
files in a directory.
you don't need to rename the file to a hash -- you could just store
that in the db -- but I'd advise renaming the file to a hash,
just to clarify, this is beaker sesssions -- not SA
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does this new approach allow for form errors to be re-triggered in the
controller like my stab (
http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss/browse_thread/thread/4269ca745e31793
) ?
because that's the only thing i care about.
example:
from OpenSocialNetwork.lib.decorators import osn_validate
I tried to do this before, and gave up.
It became WAY too confusing and difficult to manage as WSGI
components.
What I ended up doing is creating a single WSGI component to 'plugin'
and bootstrap some special variables into 'c'.
I then created a series of Libraries that offer functions and
On Feb 12, 3:33 pm, Wyatt Baldwin wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.com wrote:
The only other thing that threw me off (just a little) was
`app_globals`. It was clear that `pylons.c` and `pylons.g` are gone,
but it wasn't clear that `g` is no longer available in *templates*,
partly because `c` still is
Showing the last 4 digits and Card type is common , and the industry
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Usually its shown as
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What you
On Feb 9, 10:19 am, Damian damiandimm...@gmail.com wrote:
app globals is not thread safe - if you write to it concurrently you
will be in trouble. I keep a lot of stuff in app globals that is set
on startup and never changed.
Thanks for that :(
I'm wondering... maybe there is a way to handle
On Feb 9, 6:15 am, Pēteris Caune cuu...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that if you'll deploy your webapp with
Apache and mod_wsgi,
Having spent much time with Apache's internals and mod_perl, I never
use Apache unless I have to. Which means I only use it for running
mod_perl
On Feb 9, 2:57 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
The reason the SQLAlchemy Session was moved from app_globals to the
model was not because it's unsafe, but so that the model can be used
standalone without depending on the rest of the application or Pylons.
When did that happen? If
On Feb 9, 5:04 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
It was earlier, in 0.9.6 or 0.9.7 that it happened.
Yay!
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On Feb 8, 9:16 am, gazza burslem2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I can just use the autocomplete=off for selected fields.
i didn't know browsers respected that. neat!
with the prefix concept above, every request would have a different
prefix... so autocomplete/autofill wouldn't know how to use browser
i have some data that I cache on startup -- mostly config info and
misc database intensive stuff.
i need to reload every so often.
is it safe to reload it into g ? or should i cache this in memcached
or similar ?
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beaker has an invalidate call which will expire the cached it.
if you're trying to turn caching off for the pages, caching is
explicit -- so just don't call it.
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On Feb 7, 8:32 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
You may be observing a different phenomenon, where the browser saves
the values input into forms, and offers to re-enter them later if the
form looks similar enough. This is not related to the cache settings.
It's related to the
On Feb 3, 12:28 pm, Haron Media i...@haronmedia.com wrote:
But if you have the constraints, you're doing the checks twice. First
from your application, and then the db engine does it anyways since
there are constraints. Perhaps you don't have a performance hit, but I
can assure you, if you
I use PostgreSQL exclusively too, and rely on tons of constraints
within the db - from unique indexes built through functions, to actual
functions themselves.
I still, pretty much, always query the db to check for a duplicate
value or possible constraint violation.
1- It's easier than parsing
On Feb 2, 3:07 pm, Andy (Zenom) stress...@gmail.com wrote:
Someone in IRC said write a wrapper, but having a hard time wrapping
my head around this, since the data I need to cache is all in the
controller and there could be multiple queries etc. If I wrap the
render method somehow, then the
On Jan 30, 2:06 am, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
I consider such slash manipulation to be highly unorthodox and
undesirable, but that's how you can do it if you want to.
Thanks Mike!
I find the slash manipulation to be standard.
The default behavior for static webservers has been:
using Routes 1.10 and 1.11 ...
1) how can i match to a single controller's
/admin - def index
/admin/ - def index
/admin/$action$ - def $action
must i do this explicitly in two calls ? because
/admin/{action} requires the /
2) is it possible to use the {action} as a
On Jan 25, 4:36 am, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
Beaker sessions.
either beaker sessions, or just use a beaker session id as the
shopping cart / user id
you could do a dbtable that has this:
table: cart
id bigserial primary key not null,
session_id char(32) unique ,
i don't like AuthKit ( no offense James ! - it's just never served my
needs ) and have had to integrate with systems like you describe.
so the tips i can give are this:
- create your validation and cookie-set/expire functions in something
like app/lib/helpers/auth.py
- put the logic you need in
On Dec 21, 3:54 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
def resource2(self, name, path, new=True, edit=True, delete=True):
GET /myresource : view index
GET /myresource/new : new form
POST /myresource/new : new action
GET /myresource/1
First, thanks all.
Subrequests in Apache are weird. IIRC, they appear to be a new request
- but something in mod_perl's request context object will note that it
is a subrequest, and provide a facility to access the 'top level'
context object information. this is in line with what Shailesh
mike-
on the subject... does Pylons have a subrequest facility ?
Some platforms , like mod_perl , offer it:
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/SubRequest.html
internal_redirect
Redirect the current request to some other uri internally
$r-internal_redirect($new_uri);
* obj: $r
to be honest...
a while back, i set my sessions to be flat-file based, just because I
didn't want to deal with the stuff you're going through ;)
i had sessions in postgres at one time, but i don't think they were
beaker based. it was a tie-in to some mod_perl legacy apps. for them
i did this
On Dec 6, 1:40 pm, jnowl john_now...@carleton.ca wrote:
Ha! O.k. I think it's pretty clear who is confused. :)
ha!
just to reiterate on mike's point above, please don't take any of my
curt responses as being insensitive, mean or condescending. i just
meant for you to read up on that stuff
On Dec 5, 3:37 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
Ouch, that sounds like I'm better than you but I'm not going to tell
you why. In other words, it may or may not be true, depending on
whatever he might be basing it on.
That's supposed to sound like Every website on the internet follows
On Dec 4, 8:52 am, Damian damiandimm...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah - found the following on removing expired sessions and it basically
suggests doing what I wanted:
http://beaker.groovie.org/sessions.html
No it doesn't.
It states When using the file-based sessions then suggests another
approach
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