On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 12:01:19AM -0700, James Hunkins wrote:
Hey Guys,
I have finally decided to join this list as my work on QDT progresses
(thanks Marcel for recommending that I try this). Was putting it off
due to time constraints but now seems like a good time with a cry or two
On 18 May 2002, at 12:13, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
(...)
so don't comment private correspondence and answer the
questions.
So rephrase the questions without reference to private
correspondence.
Previously you asked me to voice my concerns publicaly
so what do you actually want?
What
On 19 May 2002, at 7:50, Dexter wrote:
As a developer, one would expect to be kept up-to-date with the latest
sources automatically. To expect developers to do so by mail, at their own
expense, when there are instant methods available that incur no expense
and enhance communication
On 18 May 2002, at 1:22, Jeremy Taffel wrote:
Wolfgang,
I detect from the tone of your response that you are a bit cheesed off with
Richard's comments on the proposed licence.
I'm not cheesed off by the reply. I'm cheesed off when reference is
made to private correspondence.
I think that
On 19 May 2002, at 7:18, Dave Walker wrote:
Timothy,
When I got SMSQ/E from Jochen, I got:
a) A generic SMSQ/E User Guide (38 pages) that was not machine specific
b) Custom supplement pages for each hardware environment I bought
(typically 6-10 pages)
Same here when I got my Q60.
On 18 May 2002, at 12:40, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
There is nothing in the license that would guarantee me any of my
changes will get back into official SMSQ.
That is true. On the contrary, the registrar has the right to
oinclude/exclude any code.
There is nothing in the license to
On 18 May 2002, at 22:08, Timothy Swenson wrote:
>
> It would be better to leave out stating who the official distributors are
> in this Official Statement, and put it in a separate document. It would be
> kind of like putting in the name of the Officers in a set of By-Laws, as
> the names
On 19 May 2002, at 16:40, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
unfortunately your inconvenience is only the smaller problem. The
bigger one - what happens if you are fed up and go out of business?
There are perhaps 100s of users with your hardware without any reseller,
so to get SMSQ updates they
On 19 May 2002, at 17:31, James Hunkins wrote:
Guys,
I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for
the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to
look at (if there are any) that give the following:
1) works in normal pointer environment
On 20 May 2002, at 1:43, ZN wrote:
OK, I've been reading the licence discussion for quite a while and I find
it does make sense for a world where the following is clearly defined that:
1) A generic SMSQ core, common to ALL platforms (*)
2) SMSQ extensions, or more precisely, additions or
On 19 May 2002, at 17:16, Peter Graf wrote:
Just imagine today's license situation had already existed when Q40
hardware was finished. Not the slightest chance to have SMSQ/E on Q40.
Untrue.
And if TT had decided to stop development altogehthern, the
chance would have been even less.
On 19 May 2002, at 22:09, Claus Graf wrote:
Hello!
I have a dream - the best operating system around is
free and open source!
Well, right now it isn't.
Tony Tebby opened up the way into a bright future of
SMSQ/E by allowing SMSQ/E to be free and open source and
enabling the remaining
On 19 May 2002, at 22:22, Peter Graf wrote:
Sorry we are not certified SMSQ/E resellers.
THIS IS UNFAIR.
Have you even taken the trouble to ask whether you wanted to
become one?
NOT TO ME!
Wolfgang
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www.wlenerz.com
On 19 May 2002, at 13:52, James Hunkins wrote:
I am sorry to say that I am very, very disappointed.
You are not alone.
(snip)
I recently just joined this email list because I was hoping to get some
help on some implementation problems that I am having with the QDT
project.
Sorry, I
On 18 May 2002, at 23:10, Claude Mourier 00 wrote:
Is there any easy way to retrieve the job-id and to focus on it (as does
Qpac PICK tool) from a SBasic program ?
This is to achieve an interaction between task.
Claude
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
You can use the PICK commandd
- Original Message -
From: Roy Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Source Code
I agree entirely with Bill, having spent many thousands of
pounds
running several businesses with QLs and SMSQ/E, including Q40.
We
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
4. Distribution of SMSQ/E executables for free was forbidden. This changes
everything. It shows other passages of the license in a different light.
The combination now means, that non-commercial contributors no longer get
any rights from this license, except the
Wolfgang wrote:
Timothy,
When I got SMSQ/E from Jochen, I got:
a) A generic SMSQ/E User Guide (38 pages) that was not machine
specific
b) Custom supplement pages for each hardware environment I bought
(typically 6-10 pages)
Same here when I got my Q60.
And more.
Peter
Hi All,
To Answer Jim, There are a few HTML based viewers floating about
1, QMOSAIC - I think this was a UNIX port, and a bit buggy. Available in
the freeware libraries (Dilwyn?) and probaby the QUANTA library.
2. LYNX - A text only HTML browser ported by Jonathan Hudson from the
Hi Rich,
I have a Trump Card, complete with manual as new.
If interested let me know.
Darren BranaghDirector, Wicklow Web Centre LimitedComputer
Training, Web Design, Repairs sales Upgrades.Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.wwc.ie
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From:
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
everybody was invited.
No. Fact remains: This meeting was in the absence of Tony Tebby (who had
the SMSQ/E rights), me (sick), DD Systems (not invited), or
representatives of OpenSource development (vacation).
Fine. Develop it. Get it accepted as an authorised
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Just imagine today's license situation had already existed when Q40
hardware was finished. Not the slightest chance to have SMSQ/E on Q40.
Untrue.
Rubbish. None of the guys who wrote operating systems for Q40 would ever do
the same under this socalled license.
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Sorry we are not certified SMSQ/E resellers.
THIS IS UNFAIR.
Your remark is unfair. I just showed: No need to become appointed
reseller under this socalled license to do a good job. That's a valid point.
Peter
Roy wrote:
I have two proposals for a compromise, that take the commercial needs of
Jochen Merz and Roy Wood into account:
Proposal 1:
Keep the appointed resellers. Make sure that nobody can get their
support, without purchasing the binary from them! E.g. this could be done
by registering
On a disk I have here, I've found a file called
QTYP_DICTIONARY_VLAAMS - does anyone have any idea (a) what language
is it (Dutch?) and (b) what it might be (i.e. content)?
--
Dilwyn Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
On a disk I have here, I've found a file called
QTYP_DICTIONARY_VLAAMS - does anyone have any idea (a) what language
is it (Dutch?) and (b) what it might be (i.e. content)?
--
Dilwyn Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Hi,
Vlaams =
I have one Cumana v1.14 interface. In theory, I have a manual but
don't know where to find it yet. Yours for cost of postage if you want
it.
--
Dilwyn Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], James
Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
QDT seems a very interesting development. A GUI would put 'QL_ware'
into the frame with modern OS's.
I learn't computing on non-GUI machines, yet I now use the GUI's
available for other OS's all the time.
I haven't
1, QMOSAIC - I think this was a UNIX port, and a bit buggy.
Available in
the freeware libraries (Dilwyn?) and probaby the QUANTA library.
Yes, my disk GE62. That is version 0.80a, described as SMSQ/E
compatible. Q-Mosaic is by FTS Software in Italy.
2. LYNX - A text only HTML browser ported
I have a QPower regulator or two which were developed for the QL - £5
each
including postage if anyone is interested..
I seem to remember QPower regulators didn't work properly with Gold
Cards (OK with TrumpCard). Can't remember the reason, perhaps it was
that Gold Card needs a rapid burst of
QDT seems a very interesting development. A GUI would put 'QL_ware'
into the frame with modern OS's.
I learn't computing on non-GUI machines, yet I now use the GUI's
available for other OS's all the time.
I haven't commented on QDT before ... yet if you need any help with
user
testing,
Hi Tarquin,
Are you still developing your HyperBrowser for the QL?
--
Dilwyn Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Hi Jim,
Another system you may want to look at is the lastest version of Dilwyn
Jones VIEWER program - this has a links ability in it, not really HTML, but
works beautifully. Can link to items within the same document via the line
its on just by putting the cursor over it and ENTERing, on load
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Peter, one other possibility with this is NOT to sell the binaries as
such. Rather, if you want support, you buy a support contract and are
given a unique identifier you quote when you want help from Roy or
Jochen or DD or Claus/Peter, plus the OFFICIAL SMSQE the only one for
Another system you may want to look at is the lastest version of
Dilwyn
Jones VIEWER program - this has a links ability in it, not really
HTML, but
works beautifully. Can link to items within the same document via
the line
its on just by putting the cursor over it and ENTERing, on load in
In message 014701c20031$6967c100$97075cc3@default, Dilwyn Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
QDT seems a very interesting development. A GUI would put 'QL_ware'
into the frame with modern OS's.
I learn't computing on non-GUI machines, yet I now use the GUI's
available for other OS's all the
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 05:31:38PM -0700, James Hunkins wrote:
Guys,
I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for
the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to
look at (if there are any) that give the following:
1) works in normal
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
QTYP_DICTIONARY_VLAAMS is probably a spelling dictionary. Geoff Wicks
told me there was such a dictionary around somewhere, but I never saw
it.
If you want to see it, I can email it to you, it's freeware.
--
Dilwyn Jones
Yes, please. Thank you!
François Van Emelen
I do not agree, the QL has progressed to where it is by tinkerers
playing about with it, and then making their efforts available,
with or without charge, to the community. No other software
carries these restrictions, and now that suspicion has entered
the debate, it is not going to leave in a
In message 005a01c1ff8d$3d771310$b25d86d9@macnamark39uau, Mike
MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Where is Quantas input in this matter, I thought they contributed
to the development of SMSQ. Why are they not distributing an
official version, and as members will no doubt want to help
develop
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter
Graf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
We will make no money from this.
Of course you will, if you offer nice support and handbooks. Folks have
no other way to get your support and handbooks except purchasing the
binary from you!!! Don't underestimate that. There
I guess the point I was trying to make was that the 38 page guide was
no where near comprehensive enough to document a full OS. I'm sure
that it assumed that the user was already familiar with QDOS. The Gold
Card/TKII manual was a little more in depth, as it only covered some
extensions to
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:39:22PM +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
On 19 May 2002, at 16:40, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
unfortunately your inconvenience is only the smaller problem. The
bigger one - what happens if you are fed up and go out of business?
There are perhaps 100s of users with
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:10:35AM +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
On 18 May 2002, at 1:22, Jeremy Taffel wrote:
Wolfgang,
I detect from the tone of your response that you are a bit cheesed off with
Richard's comments on the proposed licence.
I'm not cheesed off by the reply. I'm
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:10:35AM +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
than the license is very badly engineered. It enforces discipline
by rather brute methods that will only hurt people who would like
to help and leaves too many important points wide open.
I have proposed alternatives to
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:10:35AM +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
On 18 May 2002, at 12:13, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
(...)
so don't comment private correspondence and answer the
questions.
So rephrase the questions without reference to private
correspondence.
someone else happened
- Original Message -
From: Roy Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Source Code
In message 005a01c1ff8d$3d771310$b25d86d9@macnamark39uau,
Mike
MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Where is Quantas input in this
At 10:40 AM 5/20/2002 +0100, you wrote:
Hi James.
There was an HTML browser for the QL going around some time back, written in
SuperBasic. The last I heard was that there were a couple of problems with
it, and I haven't heard much since then. (Was it Tarquin ?)
I believe you are talking
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Mike MacNamara wrote:
One point you make is that the QL is now just a hobby machine,
why then all this fuss over a license for something people just
want to play with.?
Mike,
Some people are quite upset about this license, and some disagree with it
mildly, like me.
Lots of ideas, thanks guys.
Basically, the two things that I need it to do is different font sizes
(CSize is just fine), some form of graphics (compressed), hyperlinks,
and tables. Frames is an option but not really necessary, at least for
first round.
If it is ready to go great, but am
Here's the other question, as another refloat for anyone who missed it.
Any suggestions more comments/suggestions anyone?
Thanks,
Jim
On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 12:12 AM, James Hunkins wrote:
Here's another question while I am at it.
Normally when I position a window at an absolute
I would like to refloat this (seems that a couple of people missed these
questions last weekend). Below is my original request for help on
eventlists and communicating between jobs.
I did get the note to look at Jonathan's CSM and will do so. But any
advice on using events such as the
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
There is no difference between the free and non free developper
Sure there is. Your commercial developer has agreements outside this
license that make sure his executables won't be lost, and will be sold for
him by his resellers (which are also your appointed
Roy Wood wrote:
As I said I was in agreement with your proposals. Others were not and did
not trust you. I have not decision in this. I was asked my opinion and I
gave it.
Thanks. It's kept in secret who exactly turned me down, but it's good to
know that at least on of the persons ruling in
Dave wrote:
Some people are quite upset about this license, and some disagree with it
mildly, like me.
True, but you have it easier disagreeing just midly than we. For us it is
not only a question of wasted work or time, but we have extremely expensive
stuff on the shelf. Just for example the
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