Castor oil is much more valuable as castor oil rather than biodiesel ~ $800 per mt in the US with no processing costs.
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The Pulitzer Farce
Forget the awards for hurricane coverage. They were predictable and
certainly in the case of the Times Picayune and probably the Biloxi
paper, deserved. The press thrives on disasters and rare is the year
when a photographer cannot
Castor oil is much more valuable as castor oil rather than biodiesel
~ $800 per mt in the US with no processing costs.
Hello Ken
How much you can flog it for in the US isn't the wjhole point.
It grows like a weed, it's free. As Pannirselvam was saying, castor
oil is one of the lynchpins of
The price I hear quoted here in Arkansas is 17 cents a pound for virgin
oil.
greg Kelly wrote:
There is an auction going on eBay for virgin soy oil
that has me wondering. The man selling it says the
lot is 4 barrells of oil totalling 232 gallons, 1700
net pounds. It is currently selling at
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I was reading a research paper that indicated that loading vegetable
oil with Hydrogen would have much the same effect as using an acid for
transesterfication. If this is the case, would it be more cost effective
to use Hydrogen? It seems steps could be eliminated or made simpler.
Does
I dont know man, but I think they've got a point. sustainable or not, there are many ways to slowly shift towrds other fuels until petro dominance fades away. The world will go on through this process, although this doesn't come overnight. With all due respect to your position, it kinda makes
Nah, that was *my* point, the Economist pretty much said don't worry be
happy - technology will save us. I was just trying to tweak Redler.
Luis Eduardo Puerto wrote:
I dont know man, but I think they've got a point. sustainable or not,
there are many ways to slowly shift towrds other
All of My Fellow Americans - call your representatives!
Keith Addison wrote:
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A Democratic Internet
Art Brodsky
April 25, 2006
Art Brodsky is communications director for Public Knowledge , a
public interest group working
About ten+ years ago, I read an article about a state college in New York which was one of the first to experiment with wireless digital communications over HAM frequencies. I'm sorry that I don't have the source readily available (maybe someone can jump in here).This affirms the idea that when
Getting it really cold means removing heat. Whether you remove heat or
add heat it takes time and energy. Adding heat would be a more
efficient process unless you live in the arctic and can let good old
mother nature do the work for you. BTW someone recently passed me a
manual written by a
Redler is old.
Michael Redler wrote:
By the way, even though I quoted the lyrics, I didn't think it
came from Zack, I thought it was much older than that (otherwise, I
would have given the source).
Mike
*/Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
how old are you mike?
not
Build a filter system - it's not hard and use WVO...
I'll tell you how mine works...
Jared (RogueOP Productions) wrote:
Hi! I was wondering if anyone had a good source for bulk fresh
vegetable oil. It can be online or local to the northeast United States.
Thanks!
- Jared
Luis,
It is only around a year ago, that we established
that biofuels would be competitive with an oil
price of $35 to $40 a barrel, especially
biodiesel. At the current levels over $70 a
barrel, biofuels are cheaper than oil. Everybody
expect that it will stay on this level and even go
Howdy Randall. This sounds interesting, do you have a reference? My
guess would be that the hydrogen just dissolves in the oil, the result
of which is a mixture with a lower viscosity and higher heat of
combustion. I can't imagine a chemical reaction, unless one does metal
catalyzed
Weave! You smart aleckPUNK (spray/cough)!Where's my cane?!Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redler is old.Michael Redler wrote: By the way, even though I quoted the lyrics, I didn't think it came from Zack, I thought it was much older than that (otherwise, I would have given the
Oops - you're younger than me.
Were you a mechanic? I was, wy back when.
Now you hot rod cars with a computer. I souped up my TDI with a chip,
software and an air intake. Still thinking about injectors...
-M
Michael Redler wrote:
I'm a 39 year old, first generation head banger and
Hey Mikey
Mike Weaver wrote:
snip
Now you hot rod cars with a computer. I souped up my TDI with a chip,
software and an air intake. Still thinking about injectors...
What about that? I've had a quick look and there was too much info for
the time I had and too many players in the
Joe,
Electricity more efficient for heating? A lot of the electricity
production is using oil, with around 35% efficiency to make the
electricity. Heating with oil have 70 to 85% efficiency in burners. I
would not give anything for this manual, the author lacks knowledge
and understanding. A
Well try more like 30 years ago, another good ol Canadian boy Doug
Lockhart (VE7ADU) began transmitting digital 'packetized' data and
things progressed from there. The evolution of HTTP and TCP/IP can be
traced back to amateur radio digital packet protocols. You can find
some history on the
Yes but the electrical energy is converted to heat with practically
100% eff regardless of it's source of generation which is what I
meant. You are right of course, electrical generation is not without
it's environmental impact, even hydro. But what of your emissions from
burning??
J
Hakan
I wasn't a mechanic (although I knew my way around a shop). My father is a pipeline welder and steam fitter and most of my friends are in industry or the building trades. I had a bigger interest in understanding how things worked. So, I decided to go to school and become an engineer. I'm the only
Thanks Joe!You answered questions that I didn't even know enough to ask. Your post is VERY informative andencouraging.MikeJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well try more like 30 years ago, another good ol Canadian boy Doug Lockhart (VE7ADU) began transmitting digital 'packetized' data
Seems to me that the administration continues to miss the point and screw
the pooch. The simplest and most effective the president could take is to
reinstitute the 55 mpg speed limit and to make certain it's enforced...Tony
Austin
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An engine that Rudolf Diesel showed at the 1900 World Exhibition in
Paris ran on peanut oil, and biodiesel has been in small-scale use
here and there since the 1930s. You can make it from animal fats,
oilseeds, used cooking oil, sugar, grain and more.
Joe,
Making electricity with 35% efficiency and the heat with 90+%
efficiency, make a total of 32% efficiency, compared with 70 to 85%
efficiency by heating directly with oil. This make the oil 2 - 2.5
times more efficient. Pollution has a direct relation to the
efficiency. When they get the
Yes you are correct Hakan and I have to remember that in other places
electricity is generated in much poorer ways than it is here in
Canada. Most of our electricity comes from hydroelectric and nuclear
with a small fraction from other types of generation. However even
with your 70 -85%
Ok Redler;
So long as were quoting song lyrics apropos to the times and all of
Bush's crap, how about these from Mark Knopfler
I am Just an aging drummer boy and in the wars I used to play,
and I've called a tune to many a torchin' session.
Now they say I am a war criminal and I'm fading
Joe,
You will be surprised, I come from Sweden and its hydro is comparable
to Canada. The country that produces most electricity from hydro in
percent of energy production, is Brazil, which have around 38% of its
electricity from hydro. I was told that when I was there. Nuclear
give a large
If you are running a reactor from solar, why not use solar thermal?
That will be much less costly than PV running resistance heating, and
can easily achieve the temperatures required.
On 4/27/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes you are correct Hakan and I have to remember that in other
You mean 55mph, or 55mpg. I think that both would be good
On 4/27/06, Anthony Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me that the administration continues to miss the point and screw
the pooch. The simplest and most effective the president could take is to
reinstitute the 55 mpg speed
Given that biodiesel costs about $3.20 per gallon here now, and they
are buying virgin oil in bulk to make it, it seems reasonable that
production costs would be around $2.50ish My question is why
bother turning it to biodiesel. Use it as SVO then you only pay
$1.83/gallon.
On 4/27/06, bob
Touche!I have the Perfect Circle CD and it also has a version of the Fiddle and the Drum which I like.MikeJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Redler;So long as were quoting song lyrics apropos to the times and all of Bush's crap, how about these from Mark Knopfler" I am Just an
Hi Ryan,
I live about 70 miles from Kaydon Filtration. I talked with them this
morning and they told me that this filter will not work on vegetable oil.
Sorry. Good thought though.
Bill Clark
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent:
Yeah, I agree with you. Although in my country Colombia, there is a blooming industry of ethanol, with participation of obviously the sugar industry behind on one side, and the biodiesel industry on the other that is also staring to emerge. Today at the pump you get ethanol mixed with gasoline,
From JtF:" with a creamy white layer sandwiched between water and biodiesel, it's not quality fuel and your process needs improvement. Either you've used too much catalyst and made soap (better titration), or a poor conversion has left you with half-processed mono- and diglycerides, fuel
Maybe but I think I can keep the energy stored for longer and use it
more conveniently and for more purposes by storing it in batteries than
in a hot water tank.
Joe
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
If you are running a reactor from solar, why not use solar thermal?
That will be much less costly than
Only 25% of electricity generation in Ontario is derived from coal
J
Hakan Falk wrote:
Joe,
You will be surprised, I come from Sweden and its hydro is comparable
to Canada. The country that produces most electricity from hydro in
percent of energy production, is Brazil, which have
Or Neil Young's www.neilyoung.com new song:
Lyrics for Let's Impeach the President
Let's impeach the president for lying
And leading our country into war
Abusing all the power that we gave him
And shipping all our money out the door
He's the man who hired all the criminals
The White House
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
500 gallon water tank weighs about 4,000lbs, and can store
200,000Btu's of heat (changing temperature from 185F to 135F. This is
about 58kWh of thermal energy.
4,000lbs of lead acid batteries will also store about 56kWh with an
80% DOD. But they will cost
Joe,
That sounds as I expected, it is probably larger than hydro and
around the same as nuclear.
Sorry that I involved house heating in this, instead of sticking only
to electricity, but in Sweden it is the main heating fuel.
Hakan
At 19:24 27/04/2006, you wrote:
Only 25% of electricity
Yeah, I agree with you. Although in my country Colombia, there is a blooming industry of ethanol, with participation of obviously the sugar industry behind on one side, and the biodiesel industry on the other that is also staring to emerge. Today at the pump you get ethanol mixed with gasoline,
Cool...and not cool. There are other filters that are viscous oil
compatible, the Kaydon site just had a really nice video of the process.
These would work as a final step to ensure no wash water stayed with your
final diesel product, though.
Based on what the coalescer media seems to
Zeke,
Solar thermal hot water is the cheapest and most efficient solar use,
I do not understand that the use is so low. This except Israel, where
you can see solar for hot water on almost every house. . Normal
thermal solar panels have 35-40% efficiency. A very good and cost
effective way to
Yeah -- I think that part of it is that people are used to seeing
really ugly solar thermal installations put in during the 80's, and
not much has been installed here since then. And then they think that
solar thermal is old technology that has been superceded by PV. Not
knowing the different
Electricity is more useful to me.
J
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
500 gallon water tank weighs about 4,000lbs, and can store
200,000Btu's of heat (changing temperature from 185F to 135F. This is
about 58kWh of thermal energy.
4,000lbs of lead acid batteries
You bet I'll be buying that one.I don't know why a Canadian like
him continues to live there and give tax money to that regime so I have
issues with giving money to him and his recording company but at the
same time how can I not support the message he is bringing? I heard it
will be
I'm interested in what your processor uses electricity for? Seems
like it would worth a little bit of hassle to use heat exchangers
instead of electric elements, for such a large cost savings --
somewhere around a quarter the cost or less. Of course the
pumps/stirrers/etc have to be electrically
Hi Hakan;
I don't think hydroelectric is less than coal in Canada. According to
this wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity
Canada derives 70% of its electricity needs from hydroelectric
generation and is the world's largest producer. Quebec alone produces
over 30 GW from hydro.
Mike
Yup, I too want to know this, please? We are still fumbling toward our
co-op. Naturally, I should just look at Keith's archives and SEE IT ALL!!!
Jesse
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:21:41 -0400
To:
We used to use systems like that in rural Africa - it does work.
Michael Redler wrote:
Thanks Joe!
You answered questions that I didn't even know enough to ask. Your
post is VERY informative and encouraging.
Mike
*/Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
Well try more like 30
Try restuarant supply places... it's probably all in the 5 gallon
jugs, but I've also seen the 250 gallon cubes.
Zeke
On 4/26/06, Jared (RogueOP Productions) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi! I was wondering if anyone had a good source for bulk fresh vegetable
oil. It can be online or local to the
A fair bit of energy goes into creating the vacuum, and less into
heating as a result. Critics will no doubt point out that there are
significant losses in creating the vacuum but for me it is useful to
have finished dry useable fuel in a little over 24 hours and time is
worth something too
Hakan Falk wrote:
Zeke,
Solar thermal hot water is the cheapest and most efficient solar use,
I do not understand that the use is so low. This except Israel, where
you can see solar for hot water on almost every house. .
snip
Ever been to Mexico?
Joe
Hey Joe (with apologies to Jimi Hendrix)
Rocket chip, I used VAG-COM from Ross Tech to change when to turbo kicks
in and a few other things. I also added a high flow intake and KN
filter. There are tons of things on the net - google tdiclub and
stealthtdi. The car seems like a different car
The tendancy to stomp on it because you've got so much power is the
enemy of mileage. My friend used to have a chipped TDI. We could
still get 50mpg or better if we kept it below 70, but it was tempting
to go much faster... It got low 40's then.
Now we've both got non turbo rabbits -- you can
Well, if you're going to bring running your lights and house into
it :) I was talking just about drying fuel.
and I didn't think about the vacuum pump for dewatering -- I was
thinking only of the circulation pumps.
Hopefully my all electric house will have both solar thermal (to
replace
Watch it, Sonny, I'm five years older than you. Show some respect!
Michael Redler wrote:
Weave! You smart aleck PUNK (spray/cough)!
Where's my cane?!
*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
Redler is old.
Michael Redler wrote:
By the way, even though I quoted the
Drain all incoming though a sock filter to get the crispy bits out..
Let the oil settle - the longer the better (within reason)
Pump from the TOP DOWN.
Have a petcock at the bottom to drain the watery yucky stuff. I just
burn this in the woodstove.
I first run it through a twin bypass diesel
Joe,
I must have got my numbers wrong, but wikipedia probably also. If 25%
is from coal and 70% from hydro Only 5% for others???
I have seen Brazil, China, Norway, Sweden, Austria and some more, but
I have not seen Canada or any large ones in US. In number of
generators and capacity, it
1) if the temp goes up close to 150-155 will this in itself adversely
effect the reaction?
Yup. And if you're lucky, all you'll have is a mess to clean up.
Methanol boils at 145*F. Your reactor contents would froth immediately
upon the addition of the methoxide. Explosive fumes would
Not quite what you were looking for, but here's the breakdown for the
different US states. Some of them are upwards of 70% hydro (in WA and
ID, it's common to have all electric houses, because until recently
residential rates were below 4 cents/kWh, and industrial was less than
2 cents.
Joe,
Yes, but Mexico it is a bit larger and more people than Israel and in
total they do not have the same density, but last time was around 15
years ago and Israel the last time was around 6 years ago, China 5
years and Brazil last time was only 2 years ago. Time goes very fast.
Still, I
Hey Joe wadya doin' wit dat Rocket Chip in yo handJimi Hendrix (revisited):-)Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Joe (with apologies to Jimi Hendrix)Rocket chip, I used VAG-COM from Ross Tech to change when to turbo kicks in and a few other things. I also added a high flow intake
thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what
he didnt, and im 22, so, bleh ;P
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the
thats what i meant when i said the old folks did it , grandma frieburg
never had a freezer, they left buckets of apple beer on the porch in the
winter.
- Original Message -
From: Joe Street
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
aha, but you see, the USD isnt worth the rag they print it on, so even if it
sounds like a lot, its only an ego trip, and when the bubble pops the olio
companies are gonna be in a world of hurtin', because WE'LL hold all the
cards, and they wont be able to liquidate fast enough. quite frankly i
April 26, 2006
Mr. Mike Weaver
Dear Mr. Weaver:
I thank you for contacting me concerning the National Animal
Identification System (NAIS). I appreciate hearing from my constituents
on matters that are important to them.
The NAIS was created to identify all agricultural animals and track them
Goin' down to chip my ol' veewee, caught her messin 'round with another
veewee van
Michael Redler wrote:
Hey Joe
wadya doin' wit dat Rocket Chip in yo hand
Jimi Hendrix (revisited)
:-)
*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
Hey Joe (with apologies to Jimi Hendrix)
Oh yeah, well I'm exactly twice as old as you are so that makes me, uh, old?
Not to mention forgetful...
Jason Katie wrote:
thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what
he didnt, and im 22, so, bleh ;P
- Original Message -
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL
Up in New Hampshire most of the year my friends keep their food in the
pantry - which is outside. Only use the fridge in the Summer.
My Granma had a root celler - worked fine - she kept preserves in it.
Jason Katie wrote:
thats what i meant when i said the old folks did it , grandma frieburg
That's a lot of information to put in one's head in such a short time.Neo! Is that you?:-) Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what he didnt, and im 22, so, bleh ;P- Original Message - From: "Mike
That's why I keep my head empty...
Michael Redler wrote:
That's a lot of information to put in one's head in such a short time.
Neo! Is that you?
:-)
*/Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably
most of what
Almost every house and building has a big black cistern on the roof.
The are everywhere you look.
Joe
Hakan Falk wrote:
Joe,
Yes, but Mexico it is a bit larger and more people than Israel and in
total they do not have the same density, but last time was around 15
years ago and Israel
If you are after the suspended particles of water primarily, this link has "socks" that absorb water but not oil. Maybe if the suspended stuff was absorbed with something like these, heat and vacuum in much smaller quantities could be used to finish the task.
Joe,
Your claim that Electric resistance heating converts nearly 100% of
the energy in the electricity to heat is right but:
I found the following at a US DOE site:
"Electric Resistance Heating:
Electric resistance heating converts nearly 100% of the energy in
the electricity to heat. However,
Mike,
I would stick with the standard air filter. The oily KN might kill
your expensive MAF sensor. They are prone to failing anyway on these
VWs. The air flow problems are upstream when the snow screen snorkel
gets plugged with sand, dirt and bugs. You might need to clean it.
That's
Anyone tried using solar thermal hot water to heat feedstock for the
reaction? I've toyed with the idea (very, very hot sunny where I live)
of just looping fifty yards of old black hose on the garage roof,
connecting it to coiled copper inside the mixing tank, and circulating
it slowly with a
Ahh yes, the dreaded Mass Airflow Sensor! As an old wrench monkey I'm
familiar with those.
But I do need to ckeck the snorket - thanks for the reminder.
Don't forget to blow out the drain holes for your sunroof!
-Mike
Todd Hershberger wrote:
Mike,
I would stick with the standard air filter.
Todd Hershberger wrote:
Mike,
I would stick with the standard air filter. The oily KN might kill
your expensive MAF sensor. They are prone to failing anyway on these
VWs. The air flow problems are upstream when the snow screen snorkel
gets plugged with sand, dirt and bugs. You
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