Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-29 Thread Michael Redler
Hakan: "To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are married or not?" "Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-29 Thread Mike Weaver
Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. -Mike Michael Redler wrote: ** Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are married or not? Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime for an unmarried man and a woman to

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-29 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, Never heard about it before. LOL This is fantastic, a long time since I had such a good laugh. Not since Bush said that they did the best to kill their own military. LOL In a range of ...so do we statements, he actually said. They try their best to kill our people, so do we. LOL Is it

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-29 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, Watch it, she might take it as a proposal, or worse, move out. Hakan At 15:48 29/08/2005, you wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. -Mike Michael Redler wrote: ** Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are married or

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-29 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
] Robertson et al VS. followers Mike, Never heard about it before. LOL This is fantastic, a long time since I had such a good laugh. Not since Bush said that they did the best to kill their own military. LOL In a range of ...so do we statements, he actually said. They try their best to kill our

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-29 Thread Kjell Lofgren
: Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Mike, Never heard about it before. LOL This is fantastic, a long time since I had such a good laugh. Not since Bush said that they did the best to kill their own military. LOL In a range of ...so do we statements, he actually said. They try

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Doug Foskey
Cliff, we are all here to discuss learn. Do not be afraid to state a view that is not widely held. It is only by airing these views that we can either be convinced by you, or you by us to lead a better, more peaceful existence. regards Doug (an Aussie...) On Sunday 28 August 2005 2:17, Clif

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, I did not know of the sedition act of 1918: ...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States... This make any talk about freedom of speech

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Clif Hello Keith, As I am fairly new to this list I should have done some achive research before posting. My bad . You obviously have spent quite some time arguing your opinion on these political issues. I have not. I spoke from my convictions not from my expertise. Sorry Clif, it's a

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Appal Energy
To keep the exercise honest, as inevitably will all attorney's involved [chuckle, chuckle, snot, smurf.:-], Robertson's words, mindset and progressive thoughts need to be disected precisely as spoken. Unfortunately for him, he all too quickly took the excercise from the realm of ruminating to

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread TarynToo
As quoted here, what I find interesting about the sedition act is the very specific phrasing: ..utter...abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States... In its first few lines the 1918 act forbids lying about the government and

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Todd Dogonnit Keith, Sorry about that. If the guy is going to behave in such a fashion, those who have to suffer it should at least be able to grill him about his generalities and stereotyping until he's forced to admit that there is a lot more to the bag of beans than he would care to

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Appal Energy
And I was so looking forward to see how he would set his own noose in motion by his own processes. Oh well. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Todd Dogonnit Keith, Sorry about that. If the guy is going to behave in such a fashion, those who have to suffer it should at least be able to

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread Mike Weaver
wait...are talking about Streeter or the Bush administration? I want my SUV sung to the tune of I want my MTV... Appal Energy wrote: And I was so looking forward to see how he would set his own noose in motion by his own processes. Oh well. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Todd

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread David Miller
Keith Addison wrote: Hello David Hi Keith:) I expect that's covered under free speech. I'd personally rate Robertsons comments as up there with any number of people who advocate the death of Bush for crimes against humanity or somesuch. If Bush were assasinated would these people really

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello David Either I'm losing my debating touch or you're taking my arguments a long ways away from where they were aimed. Not from where they're aimed, but perhaps where they came from. I think you're sitting in an armchair, and this ain't no armchair. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Clif Keith Addison wrote: My my. And I was just thinking you might be a man who'd do a bit of checking before he shot his foot off. Again. I do rather wonder what you mean when you say right here in America when actually where you are right now is right here on the global Internet, on

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Hakan Falk
David, What you are saying is that if I officially said that CIA should kill Bush, before he get US in irreversible trouble, then I am not doing anything illegal. I do not personally belive that this should be done or that anyone seriously should suggest this, but I wonder what happened if I

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Keith Addison
Non-mythology about the news from Iraq: Cindy Sheehan speaks to crowd at Camp Casey Casey was killed by insurgents. He wasn't killed by terrorists. He was killed by Shiite militia who wanted him out of the country. Audio and transcript http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9980.htm

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Sean Michael Dargan
Hello Cliff, I am a former officer in the USAF so perhaps I do have a fondness for the fine, exceedingly capable and patriotic men and women serving to protect and defend a country I personally feel is a pretty good place to live. Perhaps I am living under some delusions and if that is the

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread ardis streeter
Greetings to all, I am an avid alternative fuel advocate who is building a large home sized processor. I do hope you will read this and maybe it will help get us back on track!!All this talk of politics as far as I am concerned is for the most part way out of line,and with a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Michael Redler
Well done Keith. So here we are again, stating the obvious,setting the record straight about a war which violates international laws (which the US helped write, then signed onto)related tojustification for war, engagement,torture, detainment and the fabrication of the term "enemy combatant"

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread robert luis rabello
ardis streeter wrote: All this talk of politics as far as I am concerned is for the most part way out of line,and with a lot of misconceptions toward a political adjenda. Don't go there! Didn't you read the welcome message when you first subscribed? robert luis rabello The Edge

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Folks, Saturday, 27 August, 2005, 11:51:31, you wrote: rlr ardis streeter wrote: All this talk of politics as far as I am concerned is for the most part way out of line,and with a lot of misconceptions toward a political adjenda. rlr Don't go there! Didn't you read the welcome

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Well said Gustl, This list has proven to me how little I know, so many times. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:34 AM 8/27/2005, you wrote: Hallo Folks, Ja, let's not go there. Let us go here instead. Unless people have all the information they are able they will not be able to make

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings to all, I am an avid alternative fuel advocate who is building a large home sized processor. I do hope you will read this and maybe it will help get us back on track!!All this talk of politics as far as I am concerned is for the most part way out of line,and with a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Brian Rodgers
If nothing else, these political discussions do get everyone to come out and talk. I think it is great. Freedom of speech is still alive here, whether we talk about making alternative fuel, or politics. I agree that talking is where it's at. Besides, as a newcomer, when I ask questions about

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Appal Energy
Dogonnit Keith, If the guy is going to behave in such a fashion, those who have to suffer it should at least be able to grill him about his generalities and stereotyping until he's forced to admit that there is a lot more to the bag of beans than he would care to recognize. Just throttling

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread S. Chapin
Dear List, A bit about the legal ramifications, though there will be none, of Pat Robertson's statements concerning Chavez. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20050826.html by John Dean . Cheers, S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Doug Foskey
Thanks: I find that illuminating to say the least. I personally hope that the US does take this further, otherwise how can they insist foreign powers prosecute their citizens for similar acts (including for instance statements by Mullahs) regards Doug On Sunday 28 August 2005 8:26, S.

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread TarynToo
There are any number of people who are calling for Bush to be tried for treason and war crimes. We certainly don't want him to be assassinated! God forbid, we don't need any NeoCon martyrs here. We do expect that he and most of his cabinet will be hung or imprisoned after the trials

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread Clif Caldwell
Hello Keith, As I am fairly new to this list I should have done some achive research before posting. My bad . You obviously have spent quite some time arguing your opinion on these political issues. I have not. I spoke from my convictions not from my expertise. As far as /trolling/ I must

[Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread BT
Greetings fellow revolutionary alchemists! The question I have is, How do we help separate the good-hearted followers from their devious leaders? For example: I often forward news and interesting articles (much of which I find on this list, thanks to you all) to a few friends and family. I

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Manick Harris
Hi everybody, I do not know about Robertson, but thereare many so-called 'evangelists' whose sole purpose is to collect money from naive believers. My late mother once donated !R 200 to a well known TV evangelist.and received a hasty letter back from the guy stating that it wasn't enough even for

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Mike Weaver
I once sent them (Oral Roberts?) a brick. They were asking for 25.00 to buy a brick, so I sent them a letter saying I could get a much better price and did they want more. Cost me something like 4.00 for 4th class postage but it was worth it. Manick Harris wrote: Hi everybody, I do not know

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread robert luis rabello
BT wrote: Greetings fellow revolutionary alchemists! The question I have is, How do we help separate the good-hearted followers from their devious leaders? I've found the best thing to do is go back to the scriptures from whence Christians are supposed to derive standards for their

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Robert, A question, In many countries death threat and instigation of murdering a person is against the criminal laws. Is it not the same in US and if, why have they not arrested and questioned Robertson? Hakan At 17:13 26/08/2005, you wrote: BT wrote: Greetings fellow revolutionary

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Ken Provost
--- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many countries death threat and instigation of murdering a person is against the criminal laws. Is it not the same in US and if, why have they not arrested and questioned Robertson? Because he is the darling of the far right Christian

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Robert Ingram
The other night on CNN Christpher Hitchens called Pat Robertson a babbling idiot and proof of unintelligent design - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread robert luis rabello
Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, A question, In many countries death threat and instigation of murdering a person is against the criminal laws. Is it not the same in US and if, why have they not arrested and questioned Robertson? At the very least, such a threat would cross the

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread TarynToo
Amen Robert! While not a christian, I've read many of the major scriptures of the world. While reading the Robertson thread, I was thinking how badly we needed to hear the Who would Jesus hate? Who would Jesus kill? message. Your message is so on target. The most important teaching we

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Robert Ingram
as Satans Little Stooge - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Robert, A question, In many countries death threat and instigation of murdering

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread David Miller
Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, A question, In many countries death threat and instigation of murdering a person is against the criminal laws. Is it not the same in US and if, why have they not arrested and questioned Robertson? It's tempting to reply to the effect that he's a supporter of Bush

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Hakan Falk
David, So it is legal in US to suggest that a man should be assassinated? What if Chavez is murdered is murdered and CIA is behind it, will he not be pursued for suggesting it? I know that it is against US law to have any agency to kill a leader of an other Nation. This means also that

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Clif Caldwell
Wow and to think that I was going to use this list only to figure out how to titrate WVO correctly. At the risk at attracting perhaps merited flames .. Where is the outrage at the coverage of the war in Iraq ? Have you heard one positive story on NPR or anywhere else ? Where is the outrage at

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread David Miller
Hakan Falk wrote: David, So it is legal in US to suggest that a man should be assassinated? I expect that's covered under free speech. I'd personally rate Robertsons comments as up there with any number of people who advocate the death of Bush for crimes against humanity or somesuch. If

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread robert luis rabello
Clif Caldwell wrote: Wow and to think that I was going to use this list only to figure out how to titrate WVO correctly. At the risk at attracting perhaps merited flames .. Where is the outrage at the coverage of the war in Iraq ? There's a lot of this kind of discussion in the

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Mike Weaver
Clif Caldwell wrote: Wow and to think that I was going to use this list only to figure out how to titrate WVO correctly. At the risk at attracting perhaps merited flames .. Where is the outrage at the coverage of the war in Iraq ? I am a US citizen and I am outraged. I believe we need a

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Mike Weaver
Speaking of outrage, I thought the Mission Accomplished news stunt was pretty outrageous. robert luis rabello wrote: Clif Caldwell wrote: Wow and to think that I was going to use this list only to figure out how to titrate WVO correctly. At the risk at attracting perhaps merited flames

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hello David Hakan Falk wrote: David, So it is legal in US to suggest that a man should be assassinated? I expect that's covered under free speech. I'd personally rate Robertsons comments as up there with any number of people who advocate the death of Bush for crimes against humanity or

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Keith Addison
My my. And I was just thinking you might be a man who'd do a bit of checking before he shot his foot off. Again. I do rather wonder what you mean when you say right here in America when actually where you are right now is right here on the global Internet, on a global discussion group with a

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Clif Caldwell
Fred Finch wrote: Clif, No flames from me just... snip Where is the outrage at the coverage of the war in Iraq ? Coverage is adequate and the news is not very good. http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2005/07/good-news-from-iraq-part-31.html http://unix.dfn.org/good_news_iraq.shtml

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Clif Caldwell
Keith Addison wrote: My my. And I was just thinking you might be a man who'd do a bit of checking before he shot his foot off. Again. I do rather wonder what you mean when you say right here in America when actually where you are right now is right here on the global Internet, on a global

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Clif, Do not worry, Guantanamo is full of people who only suggested a destruction of US, but never did something about it. You have a lot of people who supports you and think the same. Every day you will find it in US news media, not to mention US legislation and US government. At 21:48

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread robert luis rabello
Hakan Falk wrote: Excuse an ignorant foreigner, but what is NPR? Is it an internationally accepted shortening, or is it your secret? NPR stands for National Public Radio. It's a news service partially funded by the government through the non profit Corporation for Public