RE: t-and-f: Making dopes of us all

If you want to see some of the work Francis has done for T-Mag look at: http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_128high.html BTW, forget Francis for a moment. Publications like T-Mag and Flex are not where people go to specifically learn about steroids (though those publications at least

RE: t-and-f: NCAA XC Nats - by state

An all-star team of former Illinois HS runners would be even stronger if you included Chris Siemers from Western State who has two top 10 D-II cross country finishes and would probably be an all-american in DI. He finished fourth behind the Torres and Sage in the Illinois HS XC meet and second to

RE: t-and-f: Buffs will be conservative at NCAA regional meet

In the local paper Jorge was quoted as saying that he felt he ran too hard. The BYU Kenyan was with him the first half of the race and when Jorge put a move on, no onw went with him so he got a big lead. I guess he felt good and just took it on in rather than shutting down. You can't really

RE: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I believe that there were many 500m tracks in continental Europe in the early 20th century. However, modern track and field was essentially a British sport (and one that was developed to suit the needs of England's gambling-mad upper classes) and so their 1/4 mile track became the standard with

RE: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

I think that an individual only has so many years at which they can train at a very high level. Those who are outside the U.S. college system probably start earlier than Americans do. Most American runners do not train seriously until college and many not until after college. Thus the peak

RE: t-and-f: BBC E-mail: Nigeria plans 2012 Olympic bid

This is easily a 1000-1 or more shot against Nigeria hosting in 2012. I would wager the Nigerians themselves do not even expect to have a chance at hosting. However, being an Olympic bidder has some cache and shows some comitment to modernization and international institutions which are good

RE: t-and-f: Run to the Top

I agree the HS coach should take a stand, but I also think that this girl probably should not run high school XC/track. What is to be gained? Enjoyment? If you are running to enjoy being on a cross country or track team I could list a whole lot of things more enjoyable. She has goals that she

RE: t-and-f: Israeli results

Israel is in many ways a European colony. Most Israelis are descended from European Jews and their cultural/political culture is much closer to Europe than the middle east. It makes sense to think of Israel as a European state despite geography. Of course this is at the root of much of the

RE: t-and-f: Kenyans

Are any of them from the rift valley? Kenya's distance runners come from a very small population in Kenya. I don't think any of the major ethno-national groups in Kenya has produced any great distance runners. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

t-and-f: interestign article on Alan Webb

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59864-2002Jul24.html

RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...

I think Webb's decision revolves around a question I asked before he went to Michigan. When a coach gets you to 3:53 at 18, why in the world would you want to leave him? Just think if Snell or Coe had gone to a U.S. university at 18. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: interviews on-line

HI all, A couple interviews that are interesting at www.illinoisrunner.com. One with Dathan Ritzenheim and one with DII all-american at Western, Chris Siemers. Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado,

Re: t-and-f: time for a summit meeting

Actually, Moscow wouldn't be that bad in this day and age. Great restaurants, nightlife and touristy things plus one of the worlds best (and cheapest) public transportation systems. However, if you don't speak any Russian or at least can't learn to negotiate the cyrillic alphabet for place names

Re: t-and-f: Lydiard's prophecy on marathon record

Has anyone seen Super Milers? At the end of it they ask people to predict the WR in the mile in 2000. I think it was Peter Snell (might have been Herb Elliot) who said under 3:45. Filbert Bayi had the best answer though, In the 2000, man will be flying! On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Ed and Dana Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Lydiard's prophecy on marathon record

He would probably assume it's pharmacutically enhanced. On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y ask: While going through some old issues of TFN, I came across a Bert Nelson Of People and Things column from July 1978. Brother Bert writes: During a recent office visit, (legendary

t-and-f: former HS runners state competition for NCAA

If you'll allow an estimate for Illinoisan Chris Siemers in the top-25 due to his 5th place finish in the DII nationals (and season 10K cross best of 30:13) Illinois would just edge out Michigan. Siemers was fourth in the Illinois state meet a few years back behind the Torres bros. and Sage and

Re: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

[Michael's thoughts on track and field athletes being lost to other sports below.] In some ways this is an odd conversation because it implies that it is somehow better to be an Olympic athlete in track than it is to be an ordinary hs athlete in baseball. While it certainly may be to all of us,

Re: t-and-f: Rabbit Run or Rabbit at Rest?

We have talked about this on the list many times (check the archives if you are interested). I'd say opion is about 90% in favor of the rabbit retaining the win and anyone who complains is a big baby. A rabbit is hired to run a certain pace to a certain point. I've never heard of a stipulation

t-and-f: impressive cross performance

Most people don't pay attention to DII so I thought I'd bring the North-Central (held in Omaha) regional results to attention. The course record going in was 31:34. 1AISH, MICHAEL SR WESTERN STATE UNIVERSITY 29:47.2 4:48 2MCRAE, RUBIN JR WESTERN STATE

RE: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Alan Webb Has Learned to Go the Distance

I think Brian is correct in his assessment. I'd almost be willing to take bets that he does not PR in the mile this summer. I say this not as an insult or intended disrespect but simply because the chances of everything being just right again are small. The benefits of a different training

Re: t-and-f: Jon Drummond arrested in marijuana bust

Always sad when someone has to resort to dealing drugs to support their track habit. On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Post, Marty wrote: Olympic gold medalist Jon Drummond was arrested Tuesday for investigation of transporting marijuana through Los Angeles International Airport. more at

Re: t-and-f: XC Long-Short Debate

Of course the NCAA all ready does this by holding seperate DI and DII races. The fastest 10k guy in college is NOT a DI runner. On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Keenan Robbins wrote: it is just sick to think about splitting up nationals, cross country is the one and only time when you can decide who the

Re: t-and-f: Hash House runners cause Anthrax panic in CT

Didn't read this article, but here in Boulder someone called up the police thinking a powder hash mark might be anthrax. I hope they don't freak out on the first snowfall... On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see story at

Re: t-and-f: Sprint books

John and others, It's been a long time since I saw them, but I remember watching the Seagrave (published with a co-writer) videos on speed that are availible through track nd field news and being very, impressed with them. For a middle distance runner at least, they were eye openers. It helped

t-and-f: wimpy marathon

Reuters WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- A team of adventure runners is being assembled to compete in the world's first marathon to the South Pole. The 26.2 mile race, to be held in January through snow drifts and across slippery ice fields in freezing temperatures, is being organized by Canadian

Re: t-and-f: Banned substance????

This article isn't too helpful really: 1) it doesn't say what positives can occur (ie. maybe just ephedrine). 2) the only reference to steroids is that some athletes have blamed supplements. They have to blame something don't they? 3) the popular media has been particularly horrible when it

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is partly the more protective parent of today's doing. My kids routinely play games involving running which has them stretching the 'comfort zone' for my wife. We often 'discuss' where the boundaries should be and I find that my boundaries as a

Re: t-and-f: Puke

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, Robert Hersh wrote: By far, the worst thread we've had in many years. Could we please stop. Let's instead talk about Entine's theories, Okay, so who's more predispositioned to puke, genetically speaking? I think my ancestors will dominate the puking wars. Any contenders?

Re: t-and-f: Re: Where are we going?

With regards to the steeple specifically though, this statement makes a little more sense simply because it is probably the least competitive of the distance events due to the fact that far fewer people attempt it than do the other events. This means a guy who is a hack in the mile might be at

Puking ( Was: Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods)

My $0.02 on the pukinghard work issue. In high school I puked after every interval workout and *every* race. In college I found that the times when I got about about 40 miles a week (which actually wasn't that often) I *never* puked after a race or interval. The difference was that I could

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: I can only go by personal experience. I can honestly say that by the time I was a junior in high school, I knew all the world records, junior world records, etc. With the presence of the internet, I would bet that the best kids on most teams

Re: t-and-f: The Dude poll - men's XC

Of course this is just Division I. If you look at all of NCAA x-c, Western State would fit in somewhere between 1 and 4 on this list. Their 5th man is a 14:10 5k guy and their 1rst man is the fastest 10k guy in college. On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Thexc Dude wrote: Grote is dead. There's a new

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

Also, Shorter was 24 when he won Olympic Gold in the marathon correct (and was 5th in the Olympic 10,000m)? He arguably improved little if any after that time (though he did dominate the sport for years at his peak). On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Ed Dana Parrot wrote: Hmm, let's see. 30-year-old

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Kebba Tolbert wrote: I understand what you mean, but to me our goal should be to get athletes to 7:58 or faster at any age. who cares if they're 19, 21, 23, or 25? Again, no one balks when 20-23 yr olds run 44-low, 20.1-20.2, 10.10 or faster. the focus should be on

Re: t-and-f: Ingest a supplement and urinate a controlled substance,

There are a bunch of legal, over-the-counter steroids that anyone can get very easily. They are classified as pro-hormones, bu they are anabolic steroids. They include the now-infamous androstendione, but also androdiols (4-androstendione) and a few others. Products such as Andro-Spray,

t-and-f: power/olympic lifting by throwers?

Does anyone know of the best reported powerlifting or O-lifting records by throwers (or other events)? Do any elite throwers actually compete in the Olympic or power lifts? Paul

Re: t-and-f: Best Middle Distance Coaches in the US

One coach who may be overlooked at times is Gary Weineke at Illinois. he has coached 6 or 7 of the top 800m guys in Big Ten history, including WC and OG finalist Marko Koers and has had a 4 X 880 team set a world best. Additionally, his record with what most would regard as mediocre and

Re: t-and-f: Altitude correction... .

Perhaps the confusion over the Edmonton altitude has been a mistaken assumption that the effects of altitude are linear when, in fact, they are not. At 5500 ft, the 1500 is about 4-6s slower for MOST people. At 2100 ft someone might concluded then, that it should be 1-2s slower. This is not

RE: altitude (was: t-and-f: Let the USA bashing begin!

You could, of course, use O2 during training either with a max or a superoxegenated training room on a treadmill. This might allow one to do workouts previously not possible. It would be legal too. On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Mcewen, Brian T wrote: You can partially compensate for this by

Re: t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only enormous improver?

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, lehane wrote: Many of the perfromancing enhancing pharmacological innovations have unacceptable health risks. Arguably, so does competing clean at an elite level. It isn't healthy to break bones or tear muscles and ligaments. It isn't healthy to neglact friends and

RE: t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only enormous improver?

I am in no way in favor of drug use .. However, I am definitely against those things which hurt the sport .. A: Want to stop things from hurting the sport? Start with the athletes who cheat. Stop them from cheating ... and no more black eye for the sport. If it is difficult, that doesn't

Re: t-and-f: More Yegorva

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Tom Jimenez wrote: While I have serious doubts as to her innocence, I am wondering about the due process of the whole thing. I am assuming that there is a reason behind the procedure of requiring both a urine and blood test (some sort of safe guard I would guess). I

RE: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at34

They were half-brothers. Different fathers. On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Uri Goldbourt, PhD wrote: Also, Richard was the brother of Ismael Kirui, the 1993 (beating Gebresilassie in a courageous front run and a very early break) and 1995 5000m world champion. They had different family names,

t-and-f: Grote where are you?

Half-way through August and no talk yet of the fall NCAA cross season. I'm starting to miss the good old days Paul

Re: t-and-f: chinese women

If the training reports were anywhere close to correct, no one has trained anywhere near as hard as they did either. Certainly the drugs allow for greater trainging, but I also suspect that few, if any, women have even tried to train with the volume or intensity that they did. How many people

Re: t-and-f: RE: built like tanks

Some things have a greater effect on the physical appearance of women than men. On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of built like tanks- I've noticed the trend for some time, but at Edmonton it was particularly distinct when I compared the physiques of women 800 meter

Re: t-and-f: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Geoff Pietsch wrote: TFN is a great magazine, but it has a lousy record over-all where the drug issue is concerned. snip out-of-competition testing) to pursue the cheats, we need powerful voices like TFN to never let go on this issue. So TFNews should actively

Re: t-and-f: televising distance races - and car races?

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to really spice things up, do scoring by lap. For a 5K, for example, you could award 5-3-1 points for 1st through 3rd at the end of every lap, maybe bumping that up to 10-8-6-4-2-1 for the milepost laps, and 20-16-14-12-10-etc at the

RE: t-and-f: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry.

of the 70's and 80's. Dan From: P.F.Talbot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] When drug use was widespread and open in the 1960's (at least as far as steroids were concerned), the sport was popular and no one looks back on the pre-testing era with disgust do they? --- Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: Entine's flaws

So this looks like only 7 non-Africans have produced times in the top 100 all time, right? I'd put Juantorena on the list though (maybe that was his 8th). On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andre Sammartino wrote: Jon, I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from... each time you

t-and-f: BBC WC wesite

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the BBC website for the WC looks pretty decent: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/in_depth/2001/world_athletics/default.stm Regards, Paul

Re: t-and-f: aerobic vs. anaerobic

In their discussion of this topic Coe and Martin cite the 800 as 55% aerobic, 45% anaerobic. I don't see how this has much to do with whether or not a race is a kickers race. At the elite level, the deciding factor is often basic speed at every distance. Regards, Paul Talbot On Sat, 21 Jul

Re: t-and-f: Borzakovskiy out of Worlds

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jorma Kurry wrote: Hasn't something like this happened with Borzakovskiy before? Also, is he coached by a woman? The name of his coach is almost certainly feminine, unless my Russian skills have totally left me, yet it refers to the coach as he. Jorma -eva as a suffix

Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

Didn't Mark Dekker make the 800 team when she was 14 but was too young to compete? On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Highfill, Floyd wrote: Ahhh - but does anyone (besides me) know when the last time a Junior High athlete not only qualified for nationals but actually made an Olympic track and field team

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

The basic issue is two-fold and doesn't really concern Webb: 1) When and why should an athlete leave his/her coach (and also training environs, etc). 2) Why the assumption that the collegiate route is the only legitimate one for athletic development? As far as Webb goes, one thing he could

Re: t-and-f: Boulder Boulder Top Results

Added notes on the Bolder Boulder: USATF provided performance based funds for the race so the total prize for third place was $21,000 for men and for women so each American took home $7,000 for their part in the team placing. That bonus, time bonuses and individual USATF bonuses put Drosin's

t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

...why should he go to college and run? He has a coach who has already gotten him to 3:53 as an 18 year-old. He's already of international caliber. He could certainly get Nike or someone to offer to pay his tuition whenever he does decide to go to school in exchange for sponsorship. He could

Re: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US

Tony Waldrop still has the NCAA indoor mile record at 3:55. He is now a professor (I think of ex phys but I'm not positive about that) at the University of Illinois (at least he was there a few years ago). In an article in the local paper there about 8 years ago or so he described his senior

Re: t-and-f: my Pre Classic comments

On Sun, 27 May 2001, Kebba Tolbert wrote: Alan Webb ran a great race. He broke a great record. I was cheering for him as I watched the race. And was excited watching his last 1/4. However, let's not proclaim that US distance running is back or that he is the next great anything. Considering

Re: t-and-f: my Pre Classic comments

On Sun, 27 May 2001, Randy Treadway wrote: Perhaps the ability to get a decent shot at U.S. national HS records has more to do with what state your high school is located in, rather than an individual's readiness to compete at that level. Thus a record like Webb's 3:53 might not really

RE: Re: t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

The %slow twitch vs. %fast twitch is interesting in another way as well: it shows how important some other factors must be (though they are still probably genetically determined for the large part). For example, what sort of muscle composition would explain Said Aouita who ranked #1 in the world

Re: t-and-f: Re: Fast twitch/slow twitch question?

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Elliott Oti wrote: Haile Gebreselassie has run the 1500m in 3.32 and the 10km in 26.31. I recall reading an interview three or four years ago with a local Dutch rag in which he said his best 100m time was around 11.2 or 11.3 seconds. This would be a very decent sprint time

t-and-f: Kennedy in Stanford 10k

Can someone fill us in on the DNF?

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Elliott Oti wrote: About nine years ago I ran against Koers in a 400m which he won in 47.2 - 47.3. This despite the fact that Koers considers himself to be primarily a 1500m man. Nine years ago I was a teammate of Marko's and I saw him run mid 48s in an open though he

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Juantorena aside, if you look at the 800 as an event, the 800/1500m types come out on top of the 400/800m types. Other than Juanto there hasn't been anyone who has had a shot at making an Olympic or World Championship final in both the 400 and 800 in the last 30 years. There are those who could

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Ed Dana Parrot wrote: Mark Everett certainly had the potential based on his times. Jearl Miles-Clark and Anna Quirot certainly did. How many times did Kipketer run an elite open 400m during his peak 2 years? How many times have the other 800 contenders run elite open

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

(which is true for most of the world) doesn't automatically mean there will be great soccer players from that country. Oleg. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of P.F.Talbot Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:52 AM To: Oleg Shpyrko Cc: Track

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

, Randall Northam wrote: on 1/5/01 3:49 PM, P.F.Talbot at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why so many great soccer players from Western Africa? Yes there are several great players from western Africa but let me pose another question. Your argument suggests that there should be a steady stream

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

Soccer in Kenya is more popular than running, has more particpants than running, and offers potential financial rewards far greater than running There aren't any great Kenyan soccer players that I know of. On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Oleg Shpyrko wrote: RE: Economical reasons. Would there be more

Re: t-and-f: national class American marathoners

Weren't there well over 100 qualifiers (maybe close to 200?) for the 1984 Olympic trials? I've always held that the main difference is milage. Not too many people are hitting 100+ mile weeks in college and high school any more so the post-collegians have a much rougher transition to the

t-and-f: Top American in 5000 at Mt SAC

Since he's DII he might not get noticed, but Mike Hubbard's 13:37 at Mt. SAC, placing ahead of Abdirahamn, Jorge Torres, Matt Downin and Robert Gary should put him up there as one of the top 5,000m guys. Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of

Re: t-and-f: Top American in 5000 at Mt SAC

Oops, it is Jason not Mike, my fault! On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, MountainAir SportsManagement wrote: So much is he unnoticed that his name is quoted wrong... Jason Hubbard instead of Mike? R. Perkins MASM --- "P.F.Talbot" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since he's DII he might not g

Re: t-and-f: More on NCAA news

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Ed Grant wrote: Not content with already reducing much of the college scene, indoors and out, to mark-chasing, they now insure that most conference meets will either be held much too early or will lose their top competitors in many events. I really don't think we

Re: Purpose of NCAA track and field (was Re: t-and-f: Another Viewon NCAA Regionals

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Conway Hill wrote: Because as I see it at present, if this is the case then collegiate track is basically a sport for the collegiately elite with little opportunity for "development" of athletes ... Recruiting means finding those athletes that can come in and "score" NCAA

Re: t-and-f: Fw: direction of running

Didn't they run clockwise at Oxford during Bannister's day? On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, phalford wrote: I received this message today. I vaguely remember hearing an answer to this once but can't recall what it was. Anyone know? - Original Message - From: John Williams To: [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Fw: direction of running

No Bannister didn't run clockwise in his sub-4:00. But I think that Oxford's team had a tradition of running clockwise. On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Oleg Shpyrko wrote: Didn't they run clockwise at Oxford during Bannister's day? I don't think so. At least the picture of Bannister breaking the tape

RE: t-and-f: Sanchez - New US Junior 5000 record?

Isn't Chapa's HS 10,000 record 28:32? I seriously doubt anyone in high school will touch that for a very long time if ever. On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Mcewen, Brian T wrote: 13:38.39 this past weekend, breaks the US Junior mark of 13:39.6 set by Steve Prefontaine in 1970? Prefontaine's 5k

RE: t-and-f: better than Lindgren? (was: Ranking HS distance greats

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mcewen, Brian T wrote: Shorter: * 5th in Olympic 10k, and a couple medals that should have been GOLDS * 2 ARs in 10k With regards to Shorter I think we have to consider, because he was a marathoner, other important races. Fukuoka was the de facto world championship in

Re: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US ... North andSouth

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Mcewen, Brian T wrote: VirginLebanon?, ILL 27:29 Okay take Virgin off your list. Lebanon is in Southern Illinois, not too far from St. Louis. I don't think anyone really thinks of St. Louis as a "northern" city. Certainly a lot closer to the climate of

Re: t-and-f: World Indoor Championships - non-drug related post!

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Ed Dana Parrot wrote: Are there any theories out there about why the former Soviet republics are no longer as dominant as they once were? Not that 19'6 is bad by any stretch, but really it's the Eastern block that's gotten worse - we haven't gotten that much better.

t-and-f: junior race

Can anyone tell us about this guy who won? I'm not familiar with him. Thanks, Paul Event 5 Men's 14-19 8,000 Meter Run Junior Results by Order of Finish - Sunday 02/18/01 RANK COMP# ATHLETE NAME AGE TEAMAVG MILETIME SCORE

Re: t-and-f: here's a wild thought...

Since he could jog and make the junior team he could always race whichever senior race is on the other day. On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated Wed, 14 Feb 2001 8:42:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes [about my query on Ritzenhein running in the

Re: t-and-f: Rit'z chances ... NO PENN OR STANFORD

The guy really doesn't have anything to prove in Michgan high school meets does he? Why not just tell the MHSAA to go screw itself and run whatever meets he wants against good competition as an unattached athlete? I would sure as hell rather run at Stanford, Mt SAC and Penn than in a high

Re: t-and-f: Everything you need to know is on the Discovery channel

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, malmo wrote: I think we're arguing the same point. A lion (or any preditor, for that matter) stretches for JUST A MOMENT -- no more. I remember watchin a National Geographic special one time where the fastest lion and the fastest gazelle both pulled up going around a tree.

Re: t-and-f: Khannouchi out of London

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Adam G Beaver wrote: Even if American audiences know that he is an adopted foreigner, there is nothing like seeing the home colours come first to rejuvenate interest in a sport. Khannouchi's times and places at London may be little more than a temporary cover for poor

Re: t-and-f: Alan Webb misses 1000m record by 0.28

This reminds me of a similar odd double. In 1993, Marko Koers ran the 600 and the 3000 at the indoor Big Ten meet. He won the 600 and was 4th or 5th in the 3000 (which he ran in a body suit!). On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Gary Liguori wrote: Mike I was at that NY state meet competing int he 1600m

Re: t-and-f: Where did the following high school milers go to college?

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Dave Johnson wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:34:24 -0800, Buck Jones wrote: I expect many on this list know that Lee LaBadie went to Ohio State (running under 4:00 for the mile, BTW). I hope nobody on this list knows this, because LaBadie actually went to Illinois. Though

Re: t-and-f: Taking this thread to logical extreme

It seems to me that most good 400H can run a decent 800m. I don't think you can say the same for the 300H. It may be that you can get by in the 300H with sprint speed, but when you increase the distance by 1/3 some endurance comes into play and some of those that were very good 300H may find

Re: t-and-f: Truth in advertising?

All of my non-running, non-track watching friends know who Michael Johnson is and most know who Maurice Green is. None could name a distance runner. If you asked them what they would want to watch on TV, distance or sprints, they would choose sprints. I think that EVERYBODY understands the

Re: t-and-f: sprinting distance runners...

I think that it would actually help most of them. It's pretty hard to hurt a distance runner with a 400m. (Unless they do no speed work in practice). Paul On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listers, Just fielding a few opinions from the list and here's the question: Can

Re: t-and-f: Interval Training

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Mats [iso-8859-1] Åkerlind wrote: I assume that the training session mentioned in the post represents a newer type of interval training than Gerschler's. This since the WR in the late 1930's was just under 3:50 (the 3:47.8 by Jack Lovelock stood between 1936 and 1941).

Re: t-and-f: Footlocker Finalists Performances'

I agree. Kennedy, William, Goucher and Torres all failed to break 15:00 on that course. He's over 30 seconds up on all of them! Paul On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netters I have to tell you that kid from Michigan that won the mid west has got to be incredible. He ran

Re: t-and-f: Who invented interval training?

Much of this depends on how you define "interval training." People were using short, repetitive runs in training in the 1800s. The early Fins trained using what many would today call intervals. The real credit though probably has to go to Gerschler who trained Harbig to a 1:46 800m in the

Re: t-and-f: Who invented interval training?

On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Igloi's system developed concurrently with Zatopek's? Did Gosta Olander in Sweden pioneer this form of training (as Wilt also hints)? Gosta Holmer was the father of fartlek training, not interval training. Paul *** Paul

t-and-f: Turkey of the year?

Hi all, Check out http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com for their Turkey of the year poll where John Rocker is maintaining a narrow lead over the U.S. men's 4 X 100m Olympic relay squad. Will USATF ask for a recount? Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/

t-and-f: NCAA cross: congrats Colorado

Congrats on the CU women for their national championship. While Grgas-Wheeler was expected to win, the rest of the team really came through. The men's second place was not too shabby either. They ran a great race and it took an amazing performance by Arkansas to beat them (I have to admit they

Re: t-and-f: New Virus = HOAX!

This is a hoax. If you don't believe me from the silly description of the virus in the warning, you can go to: http://www.Vmyths.com/hoax.cfm?id=98page=3 Regards, Paul On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you receive an email titled: "Lets watch TV" DO NOT OPEN IT. It will

Re: t-and-f: Temperature and performance

On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they going to have a sliding scale based on barometric pressure as well? Wasn't it '95 when a huge high pressure system moved in and basically made the conditions in Boulder equal to a sea-level race? I believe Josephat Machuka, who was on fire

Re: t-and-f: Buying drugs and income

On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Shawn Devereaux wrote: A guy that lived in my college dorm was from El Paso said that he, along with some other of his high school football teammates would cross the border, go the pharmacy and buy steroids for what amounted to $1 or less a dose, take them in Mexico, then

RE: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Richard McCann wrote: You only make my point here. There are virtually NO well-organized, effective institutions in those countries (several of my former ag econ classmates have worked on development projects in Kenya and other African nations). To create the wave of

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