We loved having you in Pittsburgh, Keith. Keith, BTW, was scheduled to DJ two
milongas, but wound up doing three. No music was repeated and everyone I
talked to loved his dj'ing and the quality of music. He gave some interesting
ideas at the dj'ing workshop. The locals who attended have
I understand people's concern over FB. I also know people who refused to leave
messages on answering machines when they became popular. Dance groups used to
mail out fliers, but none in our area do now as it wasn't cost effective.
Postcards with a website address has replaced fliers with all
On Thu, 4/9/15, robert-b missingl...@cloud9.net wrote:
Also, most of the people I meet through tango (with a few exceptions)
aren’t all that interested in discussing tango. I have my
own blog and I’m often surprised at the lack of feedback
or simple lack of interest on the part of many
At the end of February, a dear friend to this list and the tango world, Sergio
Suppa of Erie, unexpectedly passed away in Argentina at his sister's home.
Sergio started the Erie tango community and would often come to Pittsburgh to
support our events in our early years. Tall, handsome, and
Hi all,
Anyone know what's up with this Certified Tango Teacher certificate that I've
seen promoted here or there? Thankfully, not in my area.
Trini de Pittsburgh
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A new radio show, Radio Tango Pittsburgh, has debuted in Pittsburgh in recent
weeks on Mondays 3-4pm Eastern Time. You can also stream it online. This
week's show will feature an interview with Homer Cristina Ladas during their
recent visit. They had some interesting experiences to share.
Hi Listeros,
Can anyone identify which orchestra is playing this version of Caricias? It's
not the D'Agostino/Vargas version. It sounds post-Golden Age to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL-Bt75u30w
Thanks,
Trini de Pittsburgh
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this tango?
To: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com
Cc: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 12:03 PM
Hi Trini,it's Caricias Hugo Duval ( one of Biagi's singers) after Biagi, he
did few albums with the some of Biagi musicians keeping the Biagi style, this
song is from
My experience is that most people consider the visual foremost, rather than the
auditory. In other words, does it look like fun? Some may volunteer that they
don't like the music, but that's not that often. As for using non-tango music
for performances, I'll only do so to entertain people
I think it's fine if the guys wear jeans. I'm not interested in recreating a
historical event. But women like wearing fun flowy skirts, so I'm interested
in creating an updated look that the women will enjoy showing off. The guys
don't care about their clothes, they just want the women to
Hola listeros!
We've (finally) learned the chacarera here as a community and recently had one
of the university clubs demonstrate it at a Latin festival. Although the women
had long skirts, I would like to either find or make fuller skirts to really
make the dance shine for future demos. I
Thank you, Christian. A charming and well-done film.
Trini
--- On Sun, 2/19/12, Christian Lüthen christian.luet...@gmx.net wrote:
From: Christian Lüthen christian.luet...@gmx.net
Subject: [Tango-L] short film of tango
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 11:37 AM
Take ten
I think someone's computer has a virus. I don't think it was an intentional
spam.
Trini
--- On Sun, 1/29/12, k...@aol.com k...@aol.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Tango-L] jeremike
To: tangofant...@aol.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 12:30 AM
--- On Thu, 12/29/11, kace ong kace...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course a lot of the chatter has definitely moved into local sites that
serve regional communities; that is traditionally why Tango-A was spun
out from Tango-L. But Tango-L is a forum for deeper, more universal
topics, a place for Q
--- On Fri, 12/9/11, kace ong kace...@gmail.com wrote:
Nowadays, the number of online tango resources has exploded,
but not the quality nor the reach. The diffused nature of
these sites means there is not as much interesting nor
information-dense threads as before.
I would like to ask the
Thanks, everyone, for your comments and suggestions.
I think Keith is right about Pugliese can be heaven at the right time. And I
think part of my job as a DJ and community organizer is to create those right
times, rather than just hope that they happen.
I like Robert's idea of adding a less
Hi all,
Just of couple of observations questions.
1) I'm trying to play more Pugliese at milongas. Usually I construct 4 song
tandas, but I'm finding with Pugliese that I can only take his more intense
songs at only 3 per tanda. Anyone else finding the same thing?
2) I'm still not
The Argentines in my city all learned tango in the States. Some have hosted
milongas. They have danced in BsAs, but I've never heard them complain about
the milongas here after they've returned. Maybe because their friends are
here. Maybe those BsAs teachers just don't have friends in the
Depends on the milonga, Robert. Dance to some and you really only feel like
walking on the ONE. I like to think of milonga as having more beats that you
can play with than tango, but the speed of it isn't really any faster, at least
for a dancer, for the most part.
--- On Sat, 10/1/11,
Wow. Thanks for the informative report. It sounds like incorporating this
time of year would be a good idea for a trip. I'm at the point where I'm more
interested in the music than the dancing since I'm pretty settled in my own
dancing.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Shahrukh
--- On Fri, 7/29/11, Tom Stermitz sterm...@tango.org wrote:
The term festival might be a marketing angle or wishful thinking on
the part of the organizer. Two pairs of teachers without a cast of
nationally-known DJs is more like a workshop weekend, even if you
have 20 out-of-town visitors.
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From: Secondary Yahoo johnc...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] why music
To: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com
Cc: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu
Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 5:50 PM
Well... Now multiplication tables and dancing tango are one of the same.
Learning styles asides
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Chris, UK t...@chrisjj.com wrote:
I note this list of the points that most people can judge
themselves
doesn't include being able to dance to the music.
Correct. The average social dancer thinks that just being on the beat is
dancing to the music.
In my
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote:
I know some teachers will use an obvious entry that's 5
counts long to get into e.g. a right hand side cross system and may
want to bolt on an exit that's also quite long to get back into the
LOD
Yes, and a teacher would do that for an
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote:
Or is that you need to be able to... another way of
saying that
to do the advanced class you simply need to be a splicing
and reassembler expert who recognizes splice sites, who
can
see the forest for the trees even in a long sequence?
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote:
How would you draw the distinction between intermediate and advanced?
What requirements do you put up?
Sergey
Defining “advanced” for the purposes of workshops or classes isn’t as difficult
as it seems. Few people become
--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Lois Donnay don...@donnay.net wrote:
Despite reciting the mantra Beginners go to Int., Int. go to advanced,
Advanced go to beginners they just can't bring themselves to show up at a
beginner class. There they are at advanced workshops, learning back secadas
and single axis
Hi Sherrie,
I don't think it was Steve that was contradicting you. I believe he only
shared his personal experiences. I am also surprised that yours and Nancy's
experiences are being pooh-poohed, as if with the hundreds of male dancers in
BsAs have only one way of asking a woman to dance and
--- On Thu, 6/9/11, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote:
On 09/06/2011 10:22, johnofbris...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Yes I see what you mean, but my understanding is that Ballroom and
Argentine tango were the same thing a century ago, and have developed
in different directions.
That's not how I
I'm with Huck. If I want to work on my milonga, I want a workshop that says
milonga. Same for musicality workshops. I think titles gives people
different things to think about before the workshops so that they can be better
prepared for the workshop themselves.
There are times when the
So, I was thinking that after the initial introduction in Europe, Argentine
tango lost its appeal after WWII and may have died out in most countries (and
changed to something else in Finland). Basically, mirroring the trend in
Argentina. It didn't pick up again until Tango Argentino played in
Hola listeros,
I'm curious to know from those in European and Asian countries, who or what
specially popularized tango in your country. I know that Tango Argentino broke
ground in France and went to Broadway, but it was Daniel Trenner who really
made it take off in the U.S, planting tango
Interesting article. Lapadula often uses the term club style to describe his
tango, nor is he the first to use that term. I don't know that ‘tango estilo
del centro can be considered a direct translation. My take is that the
difference between his style and Estilo Villa Urquiza is that the
I just happen to have gotten an email today about a book by Gustavo Benzecry
Sabá on tango dance terms (prefaces by Juan Carlos Copes and Gavito). Here's a
page from the book with the al reves position.
--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Sharon Pedersen sharon.peder...@gmail.com wrote:
Early on in my tango dancing life, I usually felt out of
balance when
dancing. I had one fantastic dance with someone, in
which I felt fabulously
balanced and did all sorts of fast stuff. I'm not
sure exactly how he
I'd say vinyl over 1/2 plywood. You could use different thicknesses of
plywood, but you'd need to trade off sturdiness with portability.
Trini
--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote:
I am about to move to a new place, and it, sadly, has a carpeted floor.
What can
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Brick Robbins br...@brickrobbins.com wrote:
From: Jack Dylan jackdylan...@yahoo.com
And what you were told is correct; there are no 'wraps' in Traditional Tango.
So anyone who dances wraps in their tango, no matter the shape of the
embrace, is not dancing traditional
--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Jack Dylan jackdylan...@yahoo.com wrote:
I can't help but disagree with this,
especially when it's supported by a comment
from the superficial world of fashion - IMO, nothing has
less in common with
Tango.
Actually, Jack, women's fashion has more of an effect on
Let's look at tango movement for a moment. There are some things I've noticed
about tango that I've not seen in other dances, such as:
- walking in crossed feet
- the cross
- ganchos, leg wraps, sacadas
- a seeming immobility of the upper body
I've seen ocho movements being done in other Latin
--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Myk Dowling poli...@gmail.com wrote:
Most of my hobby/entertainment choices involve
traditional things.
Trad folk music, traditional archery, historical
reenactment, contra
dancing, ... There are many, many people around the world
who don't
consider traditional to
I'm still not seeing the extinction or obliteration of tango.
Alberto says there were only 40 people dancing classic tango. I'm pretty sure
there are way more than 40 today.
Arabian horses are still around, correct?
Tango music has been changing since the 1940's. I've heard new music
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Myk Dowling poli...@gmail.com wrote:
I see new students
learning tango, some of whom want to go the nuevo route and some of whom
want the traditional style.
I think part of this fear of extinction by some is how one describes the older
style of tango. I prefer to use
--- On Thu, 4/7/11, JOHN WROBLEWSKI nrj.spar...@prodigy.net wrote:
Vince; I agree with you. This ad is
not tango. By the very definition a tango is a tango because
of the tango music. The question is can there exist a tango
dance without tango music and the answer is no. And if a
tango
I can accept the hypothesis that you
can dance any type of step to tango
music and legitimately call it tango, but I can't accept
that dancing the
same steps to any other music, can be called tango.
Are you referring an any individual step or a series of steps? I would tend to
agree
Hi listeros,
If anyone is visiting my neck of the woods in Southwestern Pennsylvania, I
recommend checking out a new production of Piazzolla's operita Maria de Buenos
Aires. It's playing here until April 17, and has gotten good reviews by both
newspaper critics and local tangueros. Ben
Firstly, it's extremely rude to publish a post that is intended as a
personal reply. Such an act says just as much about the poster than the
replier.
Secondly, I thought the ad was pretty cool for the
audience I presume they were trying to reach, which are not old farts. I
liked that they
From: Charles Roques c.roq...@mchsi.com
Dancing traditional or nuevo (or well) has little to do with age.
Exactly, which is why I used the term old farts, which implies a certain
mindset.
Nor was nothing wrong with their form or technique. It was well-executed show
tango.
Trini de
Interesting. So does this mean that if a music student does a recital of
Libertango in order to graduate, he must have a license to perform it (which I
would guess would be handled by the school)?
Would public performance include anything outside of the home, regardless of
whether money is
I recently learned that a local chain won a lawsuit allowing it to broadcast
radio tunes to its patrons. It's unclear whether it's still allowed. But I
found the implications about copyrights and the public good interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Century_Music_Corp._v._Aiken
On 2/8/2011 1:31 PM, Charles Roques wrote:
I think the first requirement for a good DJ is being able to dance well so
that whatever you play connects with you for its danceability (and of course a
sensitivity to the crowd's response) and the second is having a good selection
of songs.
Quite correct, Huck. Many of my posts and queries generate a good deal
of discussion, so I'm not inclined to say that posts by women are
ignored. I would think that discussion is based on content, not on the
gender of the poster. If someone feels their post is being ignored,
then I would
--- On Wed, 2/2/11, sherp...@aol.com sherp...@aol.com wrote:
what i said initially ,which was never met with a rejoinder(an answer to a
reply) was this: the man creates a space that invites the woman to
move into, not pushing or shoving, but inviting as gavito said, the
lead moves the woman
Around here, the rule is if the event is free, the DJ does not get paid. If an
entry fee is required, the DJ gets paid. Sometimes it's just a nominal amount
or is based on the take. Paying the DJ not only shows appreciation for his/her
work but also
professionalizes it.
It sounds to me
Nice post, Ron. Daniel Trenner is the only teacher I've had in recent memory
to teach this navigation in beginning classes. One teacher here has
incorporated it into his beginning classes, but it's too early to tell what
effect that has on those students' introduction into the community,
Mario,
Are you addressing specifically on the dance floor at a milonga or in general?
If you're referring to being on the dance floor at a milonga, I've seen women
teaching, also, though not as much. Women, I think, tend to ask for more
feedback than men. When I correct teaching going on at
I propose a different way of classifying salon or show tango - looking at what
the woman is doing. Is she the one being shown off? Are her ornaments
dominating the dance? I know when I perform, my ornaments are bigger. My
partner allows me to make them bigger or encourages it. When I'm
I've been the victim of that many times. It's rather unpleasant. It was still
being taught in the 90's, but I'm glad that it's gone out of fashion.
It's useful to remember that the women way back when didn't take classes like
the women today. The attitude of the man was that the women didn't
Sergio is quite right about various ways of leading. But the
pleasantness/unpleasantness of the sensation and whether it is appropriate or
not is best gauged by the woman. For example, a woman who moves like a piece
of furniture might like a right hand lead. A woman who moves like an Italian
...@earthnet.net
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Burlesque clip
Actually, this is not a tango rhythmically, but a rumba. :) Common
mistake... Rumba rhythm can be played to hint tango, but it is still a
rumba.
- Original Message -
From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Tango-L
This came as a nice surprise. Some tango in the new Burlesque movie with
Cher. Check it out.
http://www.daemonsmovies.com/2010/11/13/burlesque-movie-clip-with-cher/
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Dude, no need for the attitude for someone's simple question.
It's just tango.
--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote:
That wasn't hard, was it?
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--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Jack Dylan jackdylan...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sean, you may well be right but I'd like to hear more about your views.
Jack also wrote: The man is the leader and must surely take responsibility for
the dance.
Sean replies: I normally don't attempt to lead the woman. I dance,
Mario sopel...@yahoo.com wrote:
One of the differences in roles that most impresses me is how the man is
responsible for the dance itself. That is; he sets the cadence the movements
the vital feel of the dance.
Sean Here:
This is the man's archetypal fantasy of tango. It is so important, that
Well, Mario, that's certainly a perspective we haven't covered in depth on this
list, have we?
I actually agree with you, with the exception of what happens between really
good friends. Most men I know would prefer to ask, in part, I'm sure, because
women are usually terrible at accepting
Trini, here.
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Balazs Gyenis gy...@hps.elte.hu wrote:
. This made me think about how they could handle the
problem and tried to come up with a solution which (a) could plausibly
reduce refusal stress,
Stress is a result of feeling a lack of control. Give a person a sense
Sean here. I should know better, but here are a few of my thoughts on the
subject.
--- Patricia Katz wrote:
I see many leaders with very good potential stay at a level that
is below their ability; these leaders don't take workshops or privates when
very good teachers are in town. It seems most
Let’s recap a little.
Balazs asked for advice concerning a card and how to introduce the cabeceo into
a difficult environment. I think we’ve established that using the card as
originally presented pretty much sucks. However, organizers using it on a
table would make it acceptable.
We have
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Balazs Gyenis gy...@hps.elte.hu wrote:
(I'm a bit confused to hear, though, that on one hand
followers need to grow up to deal with social pressure and
on the other hand they can't be expected to follow a policy.)
Just giving a reality check.
I should also point out
Balazs, please feel free to share this post with your tanguera friend(s).
The real issue, here, is that your friend doesn’t seem to respect herself to
tell a man “no”. Argentine tangueras do not use the cabeceo to hide behind.
They are aggressive in using it. Many men have told me that they
At end of the day, it's still my responsibility as a parent to get my kids
educated, regardless of the environment. People can look at environmental
issues as challenges to overcome. People have come from difficult backgrounds
to rise about environmental difficulties.
Trini de Pittsburgh
It doesn't take years of experience or a certain reputation to suggest a man
wait until the music starts before accepting a tanda. It's usually just that
the man hasn't thought about it. He's accustomed to either yes or no, not
maybe. If he gets the same let's hear the music first from
Excellent post, Tine. And accurate, based on my observations.
Trini de Pittsburgh
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Here's the video of last night's performance. They really wowed the crowd.
Stage tango, but they did show some nice turns. I'm guessing the blond was
Cheryl. Her posture wasn't as good as the others. The death drop looked out
of place, but Juan Victoria's finish was impressive.
Sounds like an unnecessary waste of paper and a way of making the cabeceo seem
more exotic than it really is. Why doesn't the woman just tell the man after
the tanda? The good leaders will also tell you that it's often the women who
need to be handed the cards. I suppose she could always put
It's a show. C'mon! Sean has a nice way of explaining it. If you watch ER on
TV, you know perfectly well that the actors are not real doctors or nurses or
patients. They convey or represent what real doctors or nurses or patients
do/think/feel. Show dancers do the same thing. They
Forever Tango is an ensemble piece, so Cheryl (who I haven't seen) is probably
in just a couple of dances. Maybe subbing in for one of the women. From what
I've seen of rehearsal photos, Juan Victoria will be reprising their finale
(the death drop and slide to the bandoneon) as part of the
On Tuesday, Oct. 12, the cast of Forever Tango is going to be on Dancing with
the Stars, 9pm. The promo I read says that Cheryl Burke from the show will be
performing with the cast. I usually don't watch this show, but it could be
interesting this week.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Mario sopel...@yahoo.com wrote:
However, it can
happen that the slow couple’s leader is insensitive to
the situation and does not make way for those behind. What is the leader of
the couple behind to do, as he cannot touch him or tell him vocally to move
out of
I agree with Jeff. It seems that there is a lot of projection going on in this
thread, some of which may be accurate. A sense of judgement seems to
underlie this discussion, as if one is better than the other. That doesn't
help anything. It is what it is.
There are some people who only
In this case, they were still freezing when I was just leading regular
molinetes. Freezing without spiraling out of the gancho. Voguing. I had to
tell them all they they were still responsible for dancing to the music
themselves. When I got them to just dance without thinking about doing
Beginning followers often begin with a swayback posture that needs to be
corrected. Sometimes when they are told that they need to take a longer step,
they interpret that as taking a long step down the dance floor, so a swayback
is their natural response to taking a long step. However, they
Well, Huck, after the workshop I attended yesterday, Sunday, as a leader, the
primary basic I had in mind was just for people to friggin' MOVE. It was an
advanced workshop on ganchos and the followers all had the same problem of
freezing as if they were deer in the headlights. Every single
Your shampoo not working for you? Try Pantene. :o
I would think wearing a hat would cause one to unconsciously tighten the
muscles in the neck, which would inhibit the spiraling of the spine. It's a
subtle but important thing.
Trini
--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Sergey Kazachenko
Hi Ruben and everyone,
Thanks for finding these links and also for the private emails, as well.
Someone sent me the following link that is great for learning more about
burning CD's. The outline form allows for a lot of technical details but is
still easily readable for non-techies.
Hi all,
I'm a little tired of spending time burning CD's and finding bugs in them. Can
anyone recommend a good CD burning software for an HP with windows 7? I'd also
like to make labels, and since my new computer has Lightscribe, I thought I'd
try burning the song titles onto the disk.
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Huck Kennedy tempeh...@gmail.com wrote:
The six-count basic milonga step for the leader was back right,
side left, right forward cross, left forward, right side, and close.
There was wiggle room to pivot around in there a bit, but the sequence
both started and
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Ruben Malan rubenma...@comcast.net wrote:
5) With an increasing percentage we are also observing the
attendance of married couples ...
I love it when my husband chases the opposite sex at milongas - especially when
the only one he is chasing is me.
And we both have
I think, Ruben, that both you and Sergio may just be unaware of your own
natural charms, given your backgrounds, and may take for granted something that
most men must work on. Alas for the North American male who has to debate as
to whether he should open the door for a woman. South American
Hi all,
A few weeks ago, I fretted about whether folks were still teaching the man's
orientation with his back toward the center of the circle. Most of the milonga
workshops I have attended in recent years had the man facing the line of dance
and the focus has been on traspie. A search of
Oh, come on. Chasing the opposite sex is what gave popularity to the tango in
the first place. I seriously doubt that the first milongueros were thinking
about art as they were practicing with each other.
I asked a man the other night what got him into tango (I had assumed it was
through
My observation is that a couple who dances a lot with each other (more than 3
tandas) are either:
1) interested in each other,
2) so bad that no one else wants to dance with them, or
3) so much better than everyone else that they're not really interested in
dancing with others.
As to
Hi Sergey,
I think Facundo is just ornamenting, but I've never heard a name attached to
that type of ornament.
Trini
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote:
Speaking of Facundo, is there a name to the step he does at about 1:48
into this video while leading his
I, too, have gravitated toward music with lyrics over the years. My interest
with lyrics started with the movie Tango by Carlos Sauros, specifically the
scene of two singers performing Flores de alma at a dance rehearsal. I just
really enjoyed the romantic quality the pair brought to the
This is great! Thank you!
While we're on music, I've decided to try out some tango karaoke to help with
my Spanish and learn more about the music. I've seen some DVD's on
Amazon.com. Any suggestions on which ones might be good?
Trini
--- On Wed, 7/28/10, Nitin Kibe nitink...@hotmail.com
I met someone (under 30) the other night from Finland, who was a friend of a
tanguera. We naturally tried to coax her into learning Argentine tango, but
she refused because in Finland, tango was for old people. Even though she
knew there was a difference with Argentine tango (and our
I believe that your instructor was trying to convey that women must be active
in the dance, not passive. She must not be a piece of furniture on wheels that
the men push around.
The difficulties in leading and following come at different times in the
learning cycle. For men, it comes
I agree with you on this. Just because volcadas and colgadas are more common
doesn't mean that they are basic. There are more important things to learn
that are much more versatile, such as syncopas, enrosques, barridas (which are
not listed) or certain combinations.
Since the week includes
Has anyone else noticed the change how people are teaching basic milonga? I'm
talking specifically about the zigzag pattern down the floor with the man's
back toward the center of the circle versus the man facing the line of dance.
I prefer the zigzag which comes naturally from the grapevine.
--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Myk Dowling poli...@gmail.com wrote:
A
rhythm is a pattern of strong and weak beats overlaying the
basic time
signature. And that's the difference between tango and
other dance
music. Other dance music has a specific rhythm that must be
followed for
the dance to
--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Myk Dowling poli...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, but Trini, the difference is that La Cumparsita has been forced to
comply to a rock rhythm, rather than having the free rhythmic structure
of a tango. As soon as you bind it to a specific rhythm, you break the
tango.
But, Myk,
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