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Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder). God Bless In a message dated 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers Date: 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet Good Morning John and all" The firebrand is deluded, he is full of 'religious spirits' and both he and Elsman are verbally abusive. Their language is crude and they go way beyond 'speaking the truth in love' - I would expect to encounter this kind of thing out on the street. These men have shown no interest in anything other than venting their own hostility, they make fun of personal appearance, faults, and/or weaknesses they perceive in felow believers which is not a Christlike trait and neither is beating people unmercifully with the Word of God taken out of balance and context. Whereas love covers, they try to expose. As for women, historically the Jews had a difficult time separating themselves from the surrounding cultures and because of disobedience and the weakness of their flesh they became hard hearted and cruel ie their bill of divorcement. Jesus restored to women everything the devil had stolen encouraging Mary to sit at his feet and learn rather than waiting on everyone by serving food and when her sister complained He replied that Mary had chosen the good part that would not be taken away from her (Luke 10:42). Whom the Son sets free is free indeed whether or not the religious folk approve. The scriptures teach us that "It's not good to answer a fool according to his folly" and since out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks discernment should tell us that the kind of insanity we are seeing here will eventually shut down communication. We can see the parallel right now in the world with the Islamic terrorists who are beyond logic and reason. The firebrand who apparently thinks the God of the Universe is unable to communicate in English has this same religious spirit and his attitude toward females is the same. We need to ask ourselves if we want people who hold the truth in unrighteousness controlling the list any more than we want the terrorists controlling our country. These people don't know what spirit they are of and the devil certainly is no gentleman. jt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry -- wake up John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means "to point out, inform, instruct". FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. Women shouting out that YahShua resurrected would be like my mom shouting out to me, "Daniel -- we just found out your dad did not die in the hospital after all!!!" HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE??? (only hellish thinking could think this) Females telling the men where to meet YahShua is like my mom saying, "Daniel, the hospital is down Main street. Hang a left and you will find it. Your dad should be up when you arrive at the hospital." HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE (only hellish thinkinh could think this) STOP CHANGING TH SUBJECT, HYPOCRITE AND SINNER DAVID MILLER!!! Judy Jezebel is a wicked jezebel, along with the assorted other peacock females you have on this joke of a forum -- and they urinate on I Timothy 2 with their disgusting and vile posts!! YahVah rebuke those jezebels and YahVah rebuke the dung that continues to spill out of your mouth, David Miller!!! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom and resting in the love of YahShua, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:48:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder). Actually, I should have left the attempt at humor out of this particualr message -- my wife is in the kitchen cooking breakfast -- so I actually meant what I said about you all (women) and honor. John the Beloved
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Agreed! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder). God Bless In a message dated 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers Date: 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet Good Morning John and all The firebrand is deluded, he is full of 'religious spirits' and both he and Elsman are verbally abusive. Their language is crude and they go way beyond 'speaking the truth in love' - I would expect to encounter this kind of thing out on the street. These men have shown no interest in anything other than venting their own hostility, they make fun of personal appearance, faults, and/or weaknesses they perceive in felow believers which is not a Christlike trait and neither is beating people unmercifully with the Word of God taken out of balance and context. Whereas love covers, they try to expose. As for women, historically the Jews had a difficult time separating themselves from the surrounding cultures and because of disobedience and the weakness of their flesh they became hard hearted and cruel ie their bill of divorcement. Jesus restored to women everything the devil had stolen encouraging Mary to sit at his feet and learn rather than waiting on everyone by serving food and when her sister complained He replied that Mary had chosen the good part that would not be taken away from her (Luke 10:42). Whom the Son sets free is free indeed whether or not the religious folk approve. The scriptures teach us that It's not good to answer a fool according to his folly and since out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks discernment should tell us that the kind of insanity we are seeing here will eventually shut down communication. We can see the parallel right now in the world with the Islamic terrorists who are beyond logic and reason. The firebrand who apparently thinks the God of the Universe is unable to communicate in English has this same religious spirit and his attitude toward females is the same. We need to ask ourselves if we want people who hold the truth in unrighteousness controlling the list any more than we want the terrorists controlling our country. These people don't know what spirit they are of and the devil certainly is no gentleman. jt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry -- wake up John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means to point out, inform, instruct. FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. Women shouting out that YahShua resurrected would be like my mom shouting out to me, Daniel -- we just found out your dad did not die in the hospital after all!!! HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE??? (only hellish thinking could think this) Females telling the men where to meet YahShua is like my mom saying, Daniel, the hospital is down Main street. Hang a left and you will find it. Your dad should be up when you arrive at the hospital. HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE (only hellish thinkinh could think this) STOP CHANGING TH SUBJECT, HYPOCRITE AND SINNER DAVID MILLER!!! Judy Jezebel is a wicked jezebel, along with the assorted other peacock females you have on this joke of a forum -- and they urinate on I Timothy 2 with their disgusting and vile posts!! YahVah rebuke those jezebels and YahVah rebuke the dung that continues to spill out of your mouth, David Miller!!! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom and resting in the love of YahShua, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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John, We love your humor. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:48:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder). Actually, I should have left the attempt at humor out of this particualr message -- my wife is in the kitchen cooking breakfast -- so I actually meant what I said about you all (women) and honor. John the Beloved
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JT: I'd add an Amen! Blessings, Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 01, 2004 08:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder). God BlessIn a message dated 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers Date: 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent from the Internet Good Morning John and all" The firebrand is deluded, he is full of 'religious spirits' and both he and Elsman are verbally abusive. Their language is crude and they go way beyond 'speaking the truth in love' - I would expect to encounter this kind of thing out on the street. These men have shown no interest in anything other than venting their own hostility, they make fun of personal appearance, faults, and/or weaknesses they perceive in felow believers which is not a Christlike trait and neither is beating people unmercifully with the Word of God taken out of balance and context. Whereas love covers, they try to expose. As for women, historically the Jews had a difficult time separating themselves from the surrounding cultures and because of disobedience and the weakness of their flesh they became hard hearted and cruel ie their bill of divorcement. Jesus restored to women everything the devil had stolen encouraging Mary to sit at his feet and learn rather than waiting on everyone by serving food and when her sister complained He replied that Mary had chosen the good part that would not be taken away from her (Luke 10:42). Whom the Son sets free is free indeed whether or not the religious folk approve. The scriptures teach us that "It's not good to answer a fool according to his folly" and since out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks discernment should tell us that the kind of insanity we are seeing here will eventually shut down communication. We can see the parallel right now in the world with the Islamic terrorists who are beyond logic and reason. The firebrand who apparently thinks the God of the Universe is unable to communicate in English has this same religious spirit and his attitude toward females is the same. We need to ask ourselves if we want people who hold the truth in unrighteousness controlling the list any more than we want the terrorists controlling our country. These people don't know what spirit they are of and the devil certainly is no gentleman. jt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Perry -- wake upJohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means "to point out, inform, instruct". FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. Women shouting out that YahShua resurrected would be like my mom shouting out to me, "Daniel -- we just found out your dad did not die in the hospital after all!!!" HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE??? (only hellish thinking could think this) Females telling the men where to meet YahShua is like my mom saying, "Daniel, the hospital is down Main street. Hang a left and you will find it. Your dad should be up when you arrive at the hospital." HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE (only hellish thinkinh could think this) STOP CHANGING TH SUBJECT, HYPOCRITE AND SINNER DAVID MILLER!!! Judy Jezebel is a wicked jezebel, along with the assorted other peacock females you have on this joke of a forum -- and they urinate on I Timothy 2 with their disgusting and vile posts!! YahVah rebuke those jezebels and YahVah rebuke the dung that continues to spill out of your mouth, David Miller!!! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom and resting in the love of YahShua,Daniel John Lee _TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies.http://www.thefreesite.com--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Daniel wrote: One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means to point out, inform, instruct. Yeah, but yara has an even stronger connotation than that, which you seem to ignore, such as shooting someone with an arrow! Daniel wrote: FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. I agree in terms of the definition and context of yara, and that is my understanding of passages like these, as I have said many times. The problem is that you use a more watered down definition of teaching and using that definition, you attempt to argue that women should not discuss Scriptures. Daniel wrote: HOW !#(*@# censored IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE? The phrase teaching doctrine is not found in the Bible. The word doctrine in the New Testament is equivalent to teaching. So you keep throwing around a phrase that to me is very redundant and without meaning. You basically keep talking about teaching teaching. Please define in a Biblical manner what teaching doctrine is. Certainly women should be able to discuss Scriptures, and even teach them in the modern sense of what we mean by teach, which is really sharing a viewpoint and understanding. This should be done in submission to men, which is the real force of the passages you have quoted. The passages are about authority, not teaching per se, but authority might be exercised in teaching and that is why it mentions teaching. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Izzy wrote: John, We love your humor. Me too! John, you are a pleasure to read. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Judy, I am filled with religous spirits??? Not only should this female not teach -- but it looks like she does not even possess the gift of discerning spirits. I exalt the Torah -- the Law -- magnifying every jot and tittle. You, on the other hand, flagrantly violate I Timothy 2 by flagrantly opposing the very Law Jesus came to magnify and re teach us to obey. (see Matt 5:17-20 for more details) I think we know who has the religous devils, judy jezebel. Where is your damned husband anyway? Or perhaps you are a spinster you still have a living father? Damned in the sense of heading toward hellfire for his lack of controlling his personal property -- namely you. (See exodus 20 -- 10th commandment for more details on wives classified scripturally as property of husband). Jezebel judy stated: Jesus restored to women everything the devil had stolen encouraging Mary to sit at his feet and learn rather than waiting on everyone by serving food and when her sister complained He replied that Mary had chosen the good part that would not be taken away from her (Luke 10:42). Whom the Son sets free is free indeed whether or not the religious folk approve. Daniel responds: Yes, indeed!!! And was Miriam (Mary) teaching No -- she was sitting at YahShua's feet -- learning and recieving -- BUT NOT TEACHING. Jezebel judy the day you act like Miriam is the day pigs fly through the heavenlies. Jezebel judy continues her folly: We can see the parallel right now in the world with the Islamic terrorists who are beyond logic and reason. The firebrand who apparently thinks the God of the Universe is unable to communicate in English has this same religious spirit and his attitude toward females is the same. We need to ask ourselves if we want people who hold the truth in unrighteousness controlling the list any more than we want the terrorists controlling our country. These people don't know what spirit they are of and the devil certainly is no gentleman.jt Daniel responds: Alas, the apostate jed smock spirit has reared its ugly head. It was about 2 years ago, in 2002, when jed compared us Torah keepers to the Taliban. Now judy compares me to a terrorist for my FEROCIOUS LOVE of the Written Holy Bible. Things never change, do they? It is the spirit of anti-christ that fills both jed and judy jezebel -- as they both serve Chemosh and assorted Moabite dieties in their cruel quest of lifting themselves up like the whore of Babylon. May YahVah render Psalm 109 upon you judy and upon your entire household. Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel John Lee -- www.TorahandSpirit.com _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely right on and well stated.Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder). God Bless Daniel responds: Ahhh . . . so you are pussy whipped. I knew it! Oh, but wait -- then you backpeddled and said your wife was really in the kitchen cooking breakfast (which by the way violates Jesus' Law -- no cooking on the Sabbath day unless it is a dire emergency). So, perhaps you are pusy whipped AND a liar. In any case -- your humor is certainly lost on me and YHVH. Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Perry stated: 2. I have been communicating with Daniel privately about his distasteful posts until my public post yesterday about his demeaning and ad-hominem style. Daniel does not respect people. He would prefer to demean them than teach them or present sound arguments from scripture. Daniel responds: False accusation. I rebuke people in accordance with the Word and Ruach (Spirit) and use the same spirit of YahShua as in Matthew 23. Pharisees do not change much in 2000 years and I see the feminist Pharisees on this board need the same rebukes Messiah taught us in Matthew 23. Perry said: He places himself on the level of Jesus, Paul, and Peter, but behaves more like...well, I do not know any Bible personalities that were as vile and filthy as he is in his posts except demons. He confuses profanity, insults, and arrogant remarks with rebuking and teaching. Daniel responds: Again, false -- but not to worry! :) Since I love the Torah, nothing offends me (Psalm 119) so I realize a sinner like you can do know better than revile me. However, I will point out that WE ARE ALL TO EMULATE JESUS, PETER AND PAUL. These were spiritual pillars -- particularly the Messiah -- and does not Christian mean Christ like??? Anyway, yes Perry, I do have some insights the Ruach ha Kadosh has given me -- many of them are on my website at www.TorahandSpirit.com but I cannot go into that until the toilette known as truthtalk is thoroughly cleaned. Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Miller wrote: Yeah, but yara has an even stronger connotation than that, which you seem to ignore, such as shooting someone with an arrow! Daniel: Seemed to but I did not. Glad you picked up on it, though! :) David said: I agree in terms of the definition and context of yara, and that is my understanding of passages like these, as I have said many times. The problem is that you use a more watered down definition of teaching and using that definition, you attempt to argue that women should not discuss Scriptures. Daniel said: Teaching is teaching is teaching. We've gone over this, miller. Miller said: Please define in a Biblical manner what teaching doctrine is. Certainly women should be able to discuss Scriptures, and even teach them in the modern sense of what we mean by teach, which is really sharing a viewpoint and understanding. This should be done in submission to men, which is the real force of the passages you have quoted. The passages are about authority, not teaching per se, but authority might be exercised in teaching and that is why it mentions teaching. Daniel responded: I notice you failed to respond to my examples about my mom, my dad, and the hospital. You always accuse me of not responding to every one of your points so I am just returning the favor, froward one. However, women are not allowed to teach men anything in scripture -- per I Timothy 2. This is really not that difficult and you still have failed to show even one example of a female teaching scripture to men in the Bible. The closest you have come has been with Priscilla -- but as we know the Hebrew understanding is that a man and his wife are one flesh. So, if they expounded on the word -- and it must jive with I Timothy 2-- we know that the they must have meant the husband expounded while the female inspired and kept her mouth shut in regards to teaching another man. Stop putting your modern day feminist pyschology onto Priscilla -- the Hebrew culture and even the ancient Greek/Roman culture is something you are obviously completely ignorant of. Again, like Paul, I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER A MAN AND/OR TEACH A MAN. PERIOD. Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel John Lee -- www.TorahandSpirit.com _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:59:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I am not sure what you mean by "wake up", but I will assume you mean "read Daniel Lee's posts and moderate them?" Absolutely 1. I do not hover over the computer clicking refresh every 10 seconds to see if someone has posted an ad hominem attack. I sleep sometimes, and even work 9 hours a day (plus a 2.5 hour commute), so I moderate when I can. Hence the reason for the "wake up" call. 2. I have been communicating with Daniel privately about his distasteful posts until my public post yesterday about his demeaning and ad-hominem style. Daniel does not respect people. He would prefer to demean them than teach them or present sound arguments from scripture. He places himself on the level of Jesus, Paul, and Peter, but behaves more like...well, I do not know any Bible personalities that were as vile and filthy as he is in his posts except demons. He confuses profanity, insults, and arrogant remarks with rebuking and teaching. Actually, I do not agree with this. He confuses nothing. Such passages as the Galatian text presented to us by Izzy is given to us by a God who actually thought we do understand the differences. If Daniels problem is confusion on a matter as basic as good manners, there is no hope for any of us to actually understand with confidence the written message. 3. He refuses to follow the no ad-hominem rule of TruthTalk. He hides his filth and arrogance behind the cover of "rebuking". My suggestion at this point is to vote with your delete key. As soon as you see a Daniel Lee post, just delete it without reading it. When he begins to realize that he is wasting his time posting filth and arrogance that no one is reading he will either clean it up or go away. If you choose to respond to Daniel's posts be prepared to be demeaned, called names, and treated like dirt unless you parrot his own beliefs back to him. 4. Barring him from the list is always an option, but I would like all of us to encourage him to reform his posting style a bit longer before resorting to that extreme measure. I have a feeling that beneath all of that hatred and anger Daniel might have some important input for us. He just needs to learn how to influence people, instead of turning them away with profanity, and arrogance. Miracles do happen. It will never happen with this guy. I understand your naivety on this matter, and respect your decision -- but I do not agree with it at all. If he has the Holy Spirit, Elsman has flees. There is just nothing inside (his heart of hearts) that attracts contrition. And how do I know this? Because the author and finisher of our faith made it obvious when he endorsed the notion that our speech mirrors who we really are. It is funny to me that some on this list that propose and defend "holiness" want this guy to remain while some of those who do not espouse the "holiness doctrine" want him gone and gone for the precise reason that holiness is as much a part of Daniel's life as is deodorant. But -- delete it is. John
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 6:23:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy wrote: John, We love your humor. Me too! John, you are a pleasure to read. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. Thank you DavidM. Kind words and i do appreciate them. J
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In a message dated 4/29/2004 10:04:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, really??? Hmm -- my two little children (ages 2 and 3) did not seem to pick up on that. Dang -- and I was going to encourage you not to reproduce. John
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Daniel states: I know this is hard for you to accept -- but you are not the center of the universe. YHVH is. And the Torah is even above YHVH. Jonathan states: Ok let me get this straight. YHVH is the center of the universe but the Torah is even more central? The law is more important than YHVH Himself? Please give me an example where the Torah states that it is above God Himself. Are you somehow confusing what is given with the giver? How are you anything more than a modern day Pharisee? You know, the ones Jesus got very upset with over their acceptance and promotion of religion instead of the God behind it, the Spirit of the law? Do you offer animal sacrifices as well? Doves, sheep, cattle? Or is that part of the Torah something you can safely ignore? In all seriousness which portions of the Torah do you keep? The laws over touching a dead body? The cleansing laws for your wife after menstruation? Are you not allowed to touch even her arm in order to avoid becoming unclean during this time? (Lev 15:19). Did she offer purification offerings after giving birth to your two children (Lev 12:1-8)? Or do you follow just the 10 commandments? What do you do about Romans 6:14 (Sin is no longer your master, for you are no longer subject to the law, which enslaves you to sin. Instead, you are free by God's grace.)? I get annoyed when I have to bold the portion regarding law instead of that which emphasizes Gods grace. Jonathan
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Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:05:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Ok ok I am trying to keep this in mind. John
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J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:05:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Ok ok I am trying to keep this in mind. John
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ShieldsFamily wrote: Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. - What if we have disputes with joy and patience? Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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-Original Message- What if we have disputes with joy and patience? Terry I could go for that. J Izzy
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You said: Dang -- and I was going to encourage you not to reproduce. John Daniel responds: Why do I feel like I am debating with college freshman at UCLA Are you supposed to be the grandpa John? The hoary head is a crown of glory, IF it be found in the way of righteousness. Shame on you, old man! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Jonathan states: Ok let me get this straight. YHVH is the center of the universe but the Torah is even more central? The law is more important than YHVH Himself? Please give me an example where the Torah states that it is above God Himself. Daniel responds: BE GLAD TOOO!!! Psalm 138:2 . . . for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. The Torah -- Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deut comprise the first 5 books of that WORD. YAHVAH HAS EXALTED THIS WORD, INCLUDING HIS TORAH, ABOVE HIS OWN NAME!! Jonatha said: How are you anything more than a modern day Pharisee? Daniel responds: Let me spell it out for you, Pharisee. The Pharisees were ones WHO CLAIMED THEY LOVED YHVH, yet through their vain traditions broke several laws in Torah. You modern day pagan Christians claim you love God, yet trough your pagan traditions (easter, christmas, sunday worship, eating pork, etc) break several laws in the Torah. It's EASY to see who the modern day Pharisees are -- THE PAGAN CHRISTIANS -- CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS. YahVah rebuke you all. Jonathan said: Do you offer animal sacrifices as well? Doves, sheep, cattle? Daniel said: I do offer Torah sacrifices, yes. See I Peter 2:5 for details. Jonathan said: Or is that part of the Torah something you can safely ignore? Daniel responds: When Daniel was in exile in Babylon 2500 years ago -- he could not do sacrifices because the templed in Yisrael had been burned to the ground. Did this abrograte Daniel's responsbility to keep what parts of Torah he still could? We know, for example, that Daniel continued to eat kosher and follow the Torah dietary laws. We believers in YahShua are currently living in exile -- in a world of sin controlled by the spirit of Babylon. But just because we cannot keep all of the Torah because the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, does that abrograte our responsibility to keep what parts of Torah we can?? NO, NO, AND AGAIN I SAY NO!!! What part of forever do you Christians not understand??? it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month. ALL THREE ABOVE STATEMENTS ARE SCRIPTURES FROM LEV 23. Guess what they speak relate too You got it --- KEEPING TORAH! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David Miller wrote: Isn't this exactly what both the angels of God and Jesus himself instructed women to do in passages like Mat. 28? Daniel responds: The last few verses of Matthew 28 are given to the 11 disciples -- ALL MALE. I was not talking about the last few verses. I was talking about verses 7-10, which were the verses that I quoted. Certainly the 11 apostles were all male, but mentioning only the eleven does not mean that only the eleven were there. Acts 1 clearly tells us that women and other men continued with the eleven in prayer and supplication during this time. Daniel wrote: Females are not sent to do this -- MALES ARE. Females can aid, support and inspire -- BUT THEY BETTER GET OUT OF THE WORK PLACE (INCLUDING SPIRITUAL WORK PLACE) AND THE MEN BETTER START BEING MEN AND TAKING CHARGE!!! Did not the Lord send the sister of Moses, Miriam? Was she not one of three mentioned by the prophet Micah? For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I SENT BEFORE THEE Moses, Aaron, and MIRIAM. (Micah 6:4 KJV) Daniel wrote: Glad there were no females amongst those 11 apostles -- David Miller would make a lousy YahShua. If you knew the language, you would know that it was Yeshua, not Yahshua. In any case, men should be the ones to rule. The problem here is that you recognize that but then use it to oppress women. Yah will judge you for that. Men need to learn to lay down their lives when they rule over women. They should lay down in the mud puddles, even give their lives for the women. That's what Jesus did for us. Men should rule by serving. This is what Jesus taught. Daniel wrote: Miller would probably have selected a woman to be one of the 11. Scary thought. No. Wrong guess. The twelve have a special place of government (rulership) entrusted to them. They should all be men. David wrote: And go quickly, and TELL his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. (Matthew 28:7-10 KJV) Daniel wrote: If females want to announce to other men at a certain time (2000 years ago) that Jesus rose from the dead -- fine. Big difference between that and TEACHING DOCTRINE LIKE JEZEBEL JUDY DOES. Now you are backpedaling. I previously asked you the following: David Miller wrote: If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Then you responded with: Daniel wrote: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. Jesus instructed women to witness to others about his resurrection, and he instructed these women to tell the men to travel more than a day's journey to a specific location where he would meet with them. First you tell me that this would be violating 1 Timothy 2. Now you tell me that Judy does something different. Stay with the subject and leave Judy out of it. The point here is that you condemned Jesus and these angels by saying that what they did was not permitted by 1 Timothy 2. Your perspective is that they should not have told these women to do what they did. Your understanding is faulty here. David wrote: Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. (Matthew 28:16 KJV) How did Jesus appoint them this place? Through the women, as mentioned in Mat. 28 above. Daniel wrote: Fine, females can give directions. THAT IS NOT TEACHING DOCTRINE, hypocrite. You keep changing your definition every time you are shown to be wrong. I have asked you several times to define your terms, but you have not done so. You will never become honest or correctable if you do not nail down your terms and stick with them. Nobody can ever show you that you are wrong either. You should desire for people to show you to be wrong, because that is how you will grow in knowledge. David wrote: They means both Aquilla AND Priscilla. It was not just Aquilla expounding the word of God more fully unto Apollos. It was THEY. This means that PRISCILLA was expounding the Word of God to Apollos. Daniel wrote: No -- Priscilla was not expounding the Word of God because that would violate I Timothy 2. You are doing what in logic is called a tautology. You are begging the question. Your
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In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:05:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Subj: [TruthTalk] wimpy sorry "Men" Date: 4/30/2004 4:06:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) In a message dated 4/30/2004 10:44:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LAURA, ARE YOU ANOTHER WOMAN WHO OPPOSES THE DOCTRINE THAT EVERY WOMAN MUST BE SUBJECT TO A MALE? I AM MOST SERIOUS ABOUT THIS POINT. IT IS BIBLICAL. ---ELSMAN Absolutely not! I totally agree with the doctrine that women should be in submission and comply with the chains of authority. I see nothing in what Judy or Izzy post or Sherry that indicates they are not under authority. BUT I am not and never will be under your authority! Laura Laura, You are so right. (I am writing this in LARGE red letters so Elsman wont miss it.) These over-self-inflated men (in their own minds) who think that we are not subject to the Lords authority (because their immature, blustery, worldy-fantasy-idea of maleness who beat up on defenseless women is threatened easily) are completely full of their own (bad-smelling) hot air. They should mind their OWN business, their OWN wives (who I pity with the utmost pity), and their OWN walk with the Lord (which is entirely fictional for what they show us on TT.) You must not have a life of your own if you have nothing to do but meddle in ours. WE are NOT in subjection to YOU. I am in the complete approval of my own husband, who often encourages me strongly NOT to leave TT in spite of the NUTCASES here. Elsman, Daniel, Chris, and anyone else of your ilk, please mind your OWN business. God has not yet anointed you as Captain of the World. May the Lord bless you with repentance, salvation, and a sane mind for attempting to take authority over women who are NOT your own. Meanwhile, if you have nothing of worth to add to TT why dont you just go away??? Guess what: NOBODY LIKES YOU HERE. I may have to ask MY husband to beat the devil out of your wimpy sorry meddling assets if you dont take a hint. Id really hate to do that. J Blessings, Izzy PS You ugly men could take a lesson from my husband, who knows how to love and cherish his own wife, who does not attempt to dominate OTHER mens women, and who is always a gentleman, AND walks in the Spirit. Because of him I know a REAL man from pathetic fake/phony/cardboard actors like you. Try to get it together before the Lord calls you into account, as He does judge hypocrites who claim to speak for Him. I only wish to spare you the embarrassment and sorrow of it. (Although you should be embarrassed already.) PPS: When is the last time your own wife smiled? Or wanted to be with you? (know what I mean?) Does she look like a beaten down unhappy little mouse? Hows your married life Wed like to hear it from her not you. J Then we will know how qualified you are to advise other men about their women. J
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One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means to point out, inform, instruct. FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. Women shouting out that YahShua resurrected would be like my mom shouting out to me, Daniel -- we just found out your dad did not die in the hospital after all!!! HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE??? (only hellish thinking could think this) Females telling the men where to meet YahShua is like my mom saying, Daniel, the hospital is down Main street. Hang a left and you will find it. Your dad should be up when you arrive at the hospital. HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE (only hellish thinkinh could think this) STOP CHANGING TH SUBJECT, HYPOCRITE AND SINNER DAVID MILLER!!! Judy Jezebel is a wicked jezebel, along with the assorted other peacock females you have on this joke of a forum -- and they urinate on I Timothy 2 with their disgusting and vile posts!! YahVah rebuke those jezebels and YahVah rebuke the dung that continues to spill out of your mouth, David Miller!!! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom and resting in the love of YahShua, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means to point out, inform, instruct. FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. Women shouting out that YahShua resurrected would be like my mom shouting out to me, Daniel -- we just found out your dad did not die in the hospital after all!!! HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE??? (only hellish thinking could think this) Females telling the men where to meet YahShua is like my mom saying, Daniel, the hospital is down Main street. Hang a left and you will find it. Your dad should be up when you arrive at the hospital. HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE (only hellish thinkinh could think this) STOP CHANGING TH SUBJECT, HYPOCRITE AND SINNER DAVID MILLER!!! Judy Jezebel is a wicked jezebel, along with the assorted other peacock females you have on this joke of a forum -- and they urinate on I Timothy 2 with their disgusting and vile posts!! YahVah rebuke those jezebels and YahVah rebuke the dung that continues to spill out of your mouth, David Miller!!! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom and resting in the love of YahShua, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I AM being joyful and patient! J Izzy (VERY joyful!!!) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:05:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Subj: [TruthTalk] wimpy sorry Men Date: 4/30/2004 4:06:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) In a message dated 4/30/2004 10:44:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LAURA, ARE YOU ANOTHER WOMAN WHO OPPOSES THE DOCTRINE THAT EVERY WOMAN MUST BE SUBJECT TO A MALE? I AM MOST SERIOUS ABOUT THIS POINT. IT IS BIBLICAL. ---ELSMAN Absolutely not! I totally agree with the doctrine that women should be in submission and comply with the chains of authority. I see nothing in what Judy or Izzy post or Sherry that indicates they are not under authority. BUT I am not and never will be under your authority! Laura Laura, You are so right. (I am writing this in LARGE red letters so Elsman wont miss it.) These over-self-inflated men (in their own minds) who think that we are not subject to the Lords authority (because their immature, blustery, worldy-fantasy-idea of maleness who beat up on defenseless women is threatened easily) are completely full of their own (bad-smelling) hot air. They should mind their OWN business, their OWN wives (who I pity with the utmost pity), and their OWN walk with the Lord (which is entirely fictional for what they show us on TT.) You must not have a life of your own if you have nothing to do but meddle in ours. WE are NOT in subjection to YOU. I am in the complete approval of my own husband, who often encourages me strongly NOT to leave TT in spite of the NUTCASES here. Elsman, Daniel, Chris, and anyone else of your ilk, please mind your OWN business. God has not yet anointed you as Captain of the World. May the Lord bless you with repentance, salvation, and a sane mind for attempting to take authority over women who are NOT your own. Meanwhile, if you have nothing of worth to add to TT why dont you just go away??? Guess what: NOBODY LIKES YOU HERE. I may have to ask MY husband to beat the devil out of your wimpy sorry meddling assets if you dont take a hint. Id really hate to do that. J Blessings, Izzy PS You ugly men could take a lesson from my husband, who knows how to love and cherish his own wife, who does not attempt to dominate OTHER mens women, and who is always a gentleman, AND walks in the Spirit. Because of him I know a REAL man from pathetic fake/phony/cardboard actors like you. Try to get it together before the Lord calls you into account, as He does judge hypocrites who claim to speak for Him. I only wish to spare you the embarrassment and sorrow of it. (Although you should be embarrassed already.) PPS: When is the last time your own wife smiled? Or wanted to be with you? (know what I mean?) Does she look like a beaten down unhappy little mouse? Hows your married life Wed like to hear it from her not you. J Then we will know how qualified you are to advise other men about their women. J
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In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:09:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You said: Dang -- and I was going to encourage you not to reproduce. John Daniel responds: Why do I feel like I am debating with college freshman at UCLA Ditto on that, kid. J
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Perry -- wake up John In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:58:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that is used in scripture is: yara which means "to point out, inform, instruct". FEMALES ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO MEN per I Timothy 2. Women shouting out that YahShua resurrected would be like my mom shouting out to me, "Daniel -- we just found out your dad did not die in the hospital after all!!!" HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE??? (only hellish thinking could think this) Females telling the men where to meet YahShua is like my mom saying, "Daniel, the hospital is down Main street. Hang a left and you will find it. Your dad should be up when you arrive at the hospital." HOW THE HELL IS THAT TEACHING DOCTRINE (only hellish thinkinh could think this) STOP CHANGING TH SUBJECT, HYPOCRITE AND SINNER DAVID MILLER!!! Judy Jezebel is a wicked jezebel, along with the assorted other peacock females you have on this joke of a forum -- and they urinate on I Timothy 2 with their disgusting and vile posts!! YahVah rebuke those jezebels and YahVah rebuke the dung that continues to spill out of your mouth, David Miller!!! Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom and resting in the love of YahShua, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 4/30/2004 8:00:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AM being joyful and patient! J Izzy (VERY joyful!!!) Just checkin John
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Terry wrote: Sorry Daniel, but I just talked to Yah this morning, and He says you are full of yourself, not the spirit. Might you need to repent of your lies and hatred and stupidity? God is not glorified by your attitude and does not hold you in higher esteem because you know a few words of Hebrew. You are hurting the cause of Christ. Terry Daniel responds: Oh, really??? Hmm -- my two little children (ages 2 and 3) did not seem to pick up on that. That very morning -- they both eagerly asked to join me in my morning prayer closet. I joyfully allowed them to enter and they both praised -- Isaiah the 3 year old lifted his hands high to the sky. They both returned a few minutes later to join me for scripture reading. I did not ask either my 2 year old son or my 3 year old son to join me at all -- they came of their own free will. Out of the mouth of babes . . . YahShua said that by their fruits you shall know them. This is MY FRUIT, pal -- your fruit was a post to me in response to my Romans 7 word that simply said, you're wrong. Terry -- your fruit is OF THE DEVIL and you did not listen to the Holy Spirit of YHVH but rather to the devils which currently control your pathetic excuse for a soul. Repent quickly of your lawlessness, your bigotry against Torah, your violation of Matthew 5:17-20, and your gross pride. Boy -- how many of you hypocrites are on this truth talk anyhow? I'm losing count! lol. In YahShua and burning with His Eternal Law, Daniel John Lee -- www.TorahandSpirit.com _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Galatians 5: 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one Daniel responds: HALLALUYAH Great verse to use AMONGST believers. But since 99% of you reject Torah you also reject the Torah Clothed in Flesh who is Jesus -- Yahshua. Thus, you are not believers. Thus I do not need to worry about trampiling upon you. I actually pray, as King David did, that if you Torah breakers remain unrepentenat -- that I will be able to smite you down to the dust. HallaluYAH In YahShua and riding on the high places of the earth, Daniel John Lee -- www.TorahandSpirit.com _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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You declared: Enough said (to me). Time for delete. Thanks Izzy. Grandpa John Daniel responds: LET THE LYING LIPS BE PUT TO SILENCE; WHICH SPEAK GRIEVOUS THINGS PROUDLY AND CONTEMPTUOUSLY AGAINST THE RIGHTEOUS. Yes, grandpa, please continue to delete your words until you break with repentence and humility. In YahShua and loving His commandments, Daniel John Lee -- www.TorahandSpirit.com _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David, I know it's rare for someone mightily flooded with the Ruach ha Kadosh to be posting on this forum, but get used to it. This Daniel doesn't scare easily from the prowling lions, nor from the Babylon hierarchy of modern day churchianity. David said: It seems that you feel compelled to speak purposefully corruptible words. Daniel responds: There's that lack of the Holy Spirit discernment again. I speak according to the Spirit and Truth within me. Isaiah 8: To the TORAH and the testimony: if they (David Miller and company) speak not according to this word, it is because their is no light in them. And if the light within you, David, be darkness -- how great is your darkness!!! David said: Can you please try to discuss this subject in a Godly and humble fashion, abiding by the one rule that we have on TruthTalk? I really would like to continue our discussion. Daniel responds: Your insincere repentence suggests otherwise. But since you neither know the scriptural meaning of godly or humble, I more than suggest that you need to get on your face before Yah before conversing with me. David said: You say that teaching is teaching is teaching, but I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please define for me the word teaching. If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Daniel responds: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. David said: Also, have you considered that Priscilla expounded the Word of God more perfectly to Apollos? Apollos was a mighty man in Scriptures, and greatly used in the establishment of the Corinthian church. Do you consider what Priscilla did a wicked thing? Do you consider Priscilla also to be a Jezebel? Did Priscilla suffer the judgment of hell fire for teaching Apollos, in your opinion? Daniel responds: Do you ever read the WHOLE of scripture, David? MY GOODNESS! . . . whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, THEY took him unto THEM, and expounded unto him the way of Yah more perfectly. See that word, they, David?? It was not Priscilla -- it was THEY. Where the Hell is Judy's husband Preparing his eternal fate in hellfire, I assume? I don't see Judy and Mr. Taylor instructing anyone -- I see Judy Jezebel and a host of other jezebels expounding (lousily) on the Word with their husbands and/or fathers no where to be seen. Priscilla, submitted to her husband, dutifully stood with her husband as he taught the Word to Apollos. Priscilla may have prophecied or perhaps helped jog her husband's memory -- but SHE DID NOT TEACH -- or otherwise Paul would have placed her on his hellfire list. Paul never did -- thus we know Priscilla abided by I Timothy 2 -- UNLIKE judy and the other feminists on this forum. Often times I go out and preach to crowds of hundreds on campus. Annika attends these events, with our children and many onlookers will say, Daniel and Annika -- they -- came and preached at UCLA today. Does that mean Annika was teaching other men doctrinal matters NO, NO AND AGAIN NO. Again, David, your sins are multipled and growing. You must repent of: 1. Lying 2. hypocricy 3. mocking repentence which undermines honor of the Word among the Saints 4. and constantly midjudging my motives through your lack of discernment If pointing out sin in your life is flaming then just call me a flamer right along side Yochannon the Immerser (John the Baptist)! :) In YahShua and fighting for His Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
Daniel Lee wrote: And if the light within you, David, be darkness -- how great is your darkness!!! David said: Can you please try to discuss this subject in a Godly and humble fashion, abiding by the one rule that we have on TruthTalk? I really would like to continue our discussion. Daniel responds: Your insincere repentence suggests otherwise. But since you neither know the scriptural meaning of godly or humble, I more than suggest that you need to get on your face before Yah before conversing with me. = Sorry Daniel, but I just talked to Yah this morning, and He says you are full of yourself, not the spirit. Might you need to repent of your lies and hatred and stupidity? God is not glorified by your attitude and does not hold you in higher esteem because you know a few words of Hebrew. You are hurting the cause of Christ. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
Galatians 5: 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Lee Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers David, I know it's rare for someone mightily flooded with the Ruach ha Kadosh to be posting on this forum, but get used to it. This Daniel doesn't scare easily from the prowling lions, nor from the Babylon hierarchy of modern day churchianity. David said: It seems that you feel compelled to speak purposefully corruptible words. Daniel responds: There's that lack of the Holy Spirit discernment again. I speak according to the Spirit and Truth within me. Isaiah 8: To the TORAH and the testimony: if they (David Miller and company) speak not according to this word, it is because their is no light in them. And if the light within you, David, be darkness -- how great is your darkness!!! David said: Can you please try to discuss this subject in a Godly and humble fashion, abiding by the one rule that we have on TruthTalk? I really would like to continue our discussion. Daniel responds: Your insincere repentence suggests otherwise. But since you neither know the scriptural meaning of godly or humble, I more than suggest that you need to get on your face before Yah before conversing with me. David said: You say that teaching is teaching is teaching, but I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please define for me the word teaching. If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Daniel responds: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. David said: Also, have you considered that Priscilla expounded the Word of God more perfectly to Apollos? Apollos was a mighty man in Scriptures, and greatly used in the establishment of the Corinthian church. Do you consider what Priscilla did a wicked thing? Do you consider Priscilla also to be a Jezebel? Did Priscilla suffer the judgment of hell fire for teaching Apollos, in your opinion? Daniel responds: Do you ever read the WHOLE of scripture, David? MY GOODNESS! . . . whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, THEY took him unto THEM, and expounded unto him the way of Yah more perfectly. See that word, they, David?? It was not Priscilla -- it was THEY. Where the Hell is Judy's husband Preparing his eternal fate in hellfire, I assume? I don't see Judy and Mr. Taylor instructing anyone -- I see Judy Jezebel and a host of other jezebels expounding (lousily) on the Word with their husbands and/or fathers no where to be seen. Priscilla, submitted to her husband, dutifully stood with her husband as he taught the Word to Apollos. Priscilla may have prophecied or perhaps helped jog her husband's memory -- but SHE DID NOT TEACH -- or otherwise Paul would have placed her on his hellfire list. Paul never did -- thus we know Priscilla abided by I Timothy 2 -- UNLIKE judy and the other feminists on this forum. Often times I go out and preach to crowds of hundreds on campus. Annika attends these events, with our children and many onlookers will say, Daniel and Annika -- they -- came and preached at UCLA today. Does that mean Annika was teaching other men doctrinal matters NO, NO AND AGAIN NO. Again, David, your sins are multipled and growing. You must repent of: 1. Lying 2. hypocricy 3. mocking repentence which undermines honor of the Word among the Saints 4. and constantly midjudging my motives through your lack of discernment If pointing out sin in your life is flaming then just call me a flamer right along side Yochannon the Immerser (John the Baptist)! :) In YahShua and fighting for His Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do
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Enough said (to me). Time for "delete." Thanks Izzy. Grandpa John In a message dated 4/28/2004 6:39:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galatians 5: 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.
RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
David wrote: You say that teaching is teaching is teaching, but I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please define for me the word teaching. If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Daniel wrote: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. Isn't this exactly what both the angels of God and Jesus himself instructed women to do in passages like Mat. 28? Clearly in this place, Jesus was NOT telling the women to be silent, but rather to go speak to men about his resurrection, and to instruct them about where to go and meet together, awaiting to see Christ themselves. And go quickly, and TELL his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. (Matthew 28:7-10 KJV) Please notice that the word translated tell in this passage is epo. It is not lego, laleo, phemi, or any of several other words that could have been used. Unlike the other words that could have been used, this word epo has a little stronger connotation and sometimes is used of commanding, instructing, and teaching. For example, consider the following passages where the word is used and translated as command, commanded, bid, and bade: And Jesus stood still, and COMMANDED him to be called. And they call the blind man, saying unto him, Be of good comfort, rise; he calleth thee. (Mark 10:49 KJV) For God, who COMMANDED the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV) And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we COMMAND fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. (Luke 9:54-55 KJV) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they BID you observe, that observe and do ... (Matthew 23:2-3 KJV) But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? BID her therefore that she help me. (Luke 10:40 KJV) And the Spirit BADE me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: (Acts 11:12 KJV) The chief captain commanded him to be brought into the castle, and BADE that he should be examined by scourging; that he might know wherefore they cried so against him. (Acts 22:24 KJV) James uses this word epo in relaying how the commandments were delivered: For he that SAID (epo), Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. (James 2:11 KJV) I hope by reviewing these passages you will get a better understanding of the connotation of this word. The point is that Jesus and angels instructed women to go and instruct men about his resurrection and about where they should go and wait for him to appear unto them. Notice the following passage: Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. (Matthew 28:16 KJV) How did Jesus appoint them this place? Through the women, as mentioned in Mat. 28 above. Notice also that the apostles did not seem to listen too well to the women. Was their attitude toward women like some men today? And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. (Mark 16:10-11 KJV) And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not. (Luke 24:11 KJV) Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. (Mark 16:14 KJV) David Miller wrote: Also, have you considered that Priscilla expounded the Word of God more perfectly to Apollos? Apollos was a mighty man in Scriptures, and greatly used in the establishment of the Corinthian church. Do you consider what Priscilla did a wicked thing? Do you consider Priscilla also to be a Jezebel? Did Priscilla suffer the judgment of hell fire for teaching Apollos, in your opinion? Daniel wrote: Do you ever read the WHOLE of scripture, David? MY GOODNESS! . . . whom when Aquila and Priscilla had
