[USMA:12192] RE: Fwd: FPLA UPLR

2001-04-13 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I'm with Ned. Who in all of the USMA or on this list can speak up and identify members of Congress who might be amenable to proposing the necessary legislation? Ezra Nat Hager III wrote: Combining two threads here: NONE of this is going to happen until we identify some member of

[USMA:13807] Re: (fwd) Devolution Metrication (UK)

2001-06-16 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Jonathan Dowling wrote: Be warned. I emailed the NRA here in Ireland on this subject and received no response. I assume your NRA is different from our NRA here in the States. Who is the NRA over in Eire? Ezra

[USMA:15004] Use of kelvins

2001-08-25 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Dear List: I was reading the latest issue of The Planetary Report from the Planetary Society. While they typically use just SI or SI (ifp), I noticed that they still use degrees Kelvin. Can someone provide the appropriate citation that I can pass along to them (since I am a member) to

[USMA:15364] Re: Fundamentals of SI

2001-09-24 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Barbara and/or Bill Hooper wrote: snip ... unlike SI, there is no official body that is authorized to make decisions about correct usage for cgs. That is, cgs does not have an official body which can proclaim such hair-splitting distinctions as that certain units may not called units but must

[USMA:17378] Re: Bad, BAD news from APWA

2002-01-11 Thread Ezra Steinberg
The document from the APWA says in part: The American Public Works Association (APWA) believes that all federal, state, and local government agencies responsible for administration, management, operation, maintaining, or provision of services related to public works and infrastructure should

[USMA:17382] Re: Bad, BAD news from APWA

2002-01-11 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Carter, Baron wrote: I think the APWA is taking a cop out approach. The Federal Govt rarely does anyhing on its own initiative. They will act/mandate metrication when sufficient groups of people demand it be so. People like the APWA. Instead of wimping away in a corner the APWA, along

[USMA:18076] Re: NG in Europe

2002-02-08 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Han Maenen wrote: Michael Payne in USMA 18047 is right: the English language edition sold in Europe is ifp with the odd metric measurement. It is in fact the American edition. Too bad for the Brits, then. They get the funky American spelling and the weird ifp stuff. Of course, it would be

[USMA:18262] Re: Metric Martyrs appeals verdict handed down

2002-02-18 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Jim: Thanks for the update! And I'm glad to see the results of the court decision. I also enjoyed reading Lord Howe's comments. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if all his brou-ha-ha generated by the Metric Martyrs results in Her Majesty's Government introducing and passing the metrication

[USMA:18341] Privatisation of British road network

2002-02-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just saw this on the epolitix news summary. Seems like an opportune time to include conversion of road signs to metric ... Ezra BYERS SET TO PRIVATISE ROAD NETWORK Stephen Byers is planning to privatise the main road network in England, reports today's FT. Under the scheme, planning,

[USMA:18360] RE: International Date Format Campaign.htm

2002-02-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I concur. Ezra Bill Potts wrote: To John (kilopascal) Schweisthal. Let me add my voice to that of Jim Frysinger and ask you to cease and desist from posting entire web pages to this list. At the very least, doing so is both presumptuous and discourteous. Please just post the URL (in a

[USMA:18486] Re: Whatever happened to centigrade??

2002-03-02 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Gene: I thought the correct terminology was kelvins in the plural Can you tell me if that's correct? Ezra Gene Mechtly wrote: Allow me to correct my own error before others notice it The zero on the Celsius scale is 27315 kelvin, not 27316 kelvin (NIST SP 811, page 5) These

[USMA:18553] Re: Centigrade-Celsius Differences

2002-03-05 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Given what Gene wrote, it looks to me like the use of the Celsius scale is quite similar to the use of the liter, in that both are defined in terms of an SI unit, are not themselves units, and are kept mostly for reasons of history and convenience than anything else Ezra Gene Mechtly wrote:

[USMA:18591] Haunted Oz

2002-03-06 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Pat: This probably has been mentioned in the past, but I'm wondering what the exceptions, small though they might be, are that still haunt y'all Down Under ... Ezra Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear Jim and All, You are right that the metric conversion in Australia was done efficiently (with

[USMA:18659] Re: Ventura Von's

2002-03-10 Thread Ezra Steinberg
In a similar vein I happened to notice that some of the PG products (I believe others have seen examples, too) are in rational metric sizes (but in terms like 2000 mL, where I would prefer 2 L) and in first position! Now all we need is an amended FPLA to permit metric only labelling while still

[USMA:18713] Re: UK road signs

2002-03-12 Thread Ezra Steinberg
So, Chris, what do you make of the Minister's reply to Lord Howe's query? Are we at a dead end (so to speak) when it comes to metricating distance and speed limit signs? And what's the real story behind signs no on the motorways (like those on private lanes and the like). What is their legal

[USMA:18962] Re: National geographic again

2002-03-21 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I'm still puzzled how National Geographic can convert to metric in languages other than English but still support the use of only US customary units in the English-language edition (because the US set of units is not entirely identical to the Imperial set of units). Do they perhaps figure that

[USMA:18994] Canadian Geographical Society

2002-03-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
in the wallet. John - Original Message - From: Ezra Steinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 2002-03-21 17:24 Subject: [USMA:18962] Re: National geographic again I'm still puzzled how National Geographic can

[USMA:19226] Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Sure, Don, getting back to metric would be nice. So, here goes ... Is anybody (including -- and maybe especially -- the USMA leadership) pushing a legislative agenda to promote metric? It seems that the two agenda items currently in the forefront are amending the FPLA and getting the

[USMA:19250] UKIP removes metric signs

2002-04-05 Thread Ezra Steinberg
FYI, just saw this in the Daily Telegraph today. sigh Ezra Poll candidate took 50 metric road signs By David Sapsted (Filed: 05/04/2002) A UK Independence Party

[USMA:19259] Re: UK signs forum

2002-04-05 Thread Ezra Steinberg
So, Chris, does this provide grist for the mill to pass legislation to at least permit metric-only signage for distances? The advantage of this approach is that it avoids a big row (and cost!) over a massive change-over of all motorway signage by allowing individual jurisdictions and entities to

[USMA:19510] Re: European Commission

2002-04-18 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Jim: I suspect, though, that a manufacturer would wait until ALL the States allow metric-only labels before they would print such. When that happens, they can sensibly do so because they could sell their products throughout the NAFTA region with a single printing of labels. Thus, it seems very

[USMA:19517] Re: European Commission

2002-04-18 Thread Ezra Steinberg
only when all 50 States allow for it. Ezra Joseph B. Reid wrote: Ezra Steinberg wrote in USMA 19510 I suspect, though, that a manufacturer would wait until ALL the States allow metric-only labels before they would print such. When that happens, they can sensibly do so because they could

[USMA:19518] Metric labelling practice

2002-04-18 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I was surprised (pleasantly) to see in the NIST guidelines linked to in an earlier e-mail on the list this morning that they specify the 1 to 1000 rule (e.g. use 750 mL instead of 0.75 L). Can anyone tell me if this is just a guideline or does it have (even a little) more weight than that (maybe

[USMA:19543] RE: FPLA UPLR

2002-04-20 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Can you remind us (or at least me! ;-) a bit of what the UK experience has been with these items? Thanks! Ezra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. How about: Gasoline Butter Soda Toothpaste Milk Beer These are interesting because of mass exposure and the UK experience. --

[USMA:19551] UK Metrication and the Euro

2002-04-21 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just received these thoughts from a woman I know who lives outside of London. Tells the tale all too tellingly, I think ... Ezra === You're right about the Metrication issue. Anybody of my age or younger (I will be 41 next month) has been taught

[USMA:19873] Off Topic: UK election results

2002-05-03 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Latest results from UK polling: Hartlepool caused the biggest upset when the town voted-in the football mascot H'Angus the Monkey as mayor.

[USMA:19965] RE: Gatorade

2002-05-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Brent: Is the letter below one you sent to the manufacturer? It sounds like it to me, but I didn't catch anywhere that made that clear to me. Ezra JPB Cliveden wrote: I was particularly disappointed this week to receive as part of a lunch pack a bottle of fresh Samantha pure spring water

[USMA:19967] RE: Gatorade

2002-05-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Sure, I understand. Seems like a letter the manufacturer would be in order. What stands out most for me right off the bat is the use of the fraction 1/2 in 1/2 liter violates the NIST guidelines (500 mL would be the way to go). These drops of change in the ocean (Jim Frysinger's metaphor lives

[USMA:20036] OFF TOPIC: Euro referendum in the UK

2002-05-13 Thread Ezra Steinberg
From Epolitix this morning: UK GOVERNMENT STEPS UP EURO CAMPAIGN A report has been published by the government's pollsters, GGC/NOP, which gives recommendations for the pro-euro campaign in a referendum which could be held as early as next year, the Telegraph today reports.

[USMA:20067] OFF TOPIC: A ray of hope for the Euro in the UK?

2002-05-15 Thread Ezra Steinberg
From Epolitix today: CLARKE LAUNCHES TORY PRO-EURO CAMPAIGN Former chancellor Kenneth Clarke today launches the Tory European Network, the Conservative campaign for adoption of the single currency. Many of the thousands of people who have left the party over

[USMA:20947] Metric Marijuana?

2002-07-11 Thread Ezra Steinberg
From today's Epolitix bulletin. (I presume folks in the UK by their stash by the kilo. But what's the mass of a standard joint, I wonder?) Ezra Blunkett eases up on grass David Blunkett has downgraded cannabis to a class C drug, sparking a row in the Commons

[USMA:20989] Re: UK road signs

2002-07-12 Thread Ezra Steinberg
So, Chris, what's the story here? Anything really new? As for the surveys cited, how is it that young people still think in Imperial? Ezra Nat Hager III wrote: In the Scotsman today... Nat The Scotsman July 12, 2002, Friday SECTION: Pg. 1 LENGTH: 272 words

[USMA:21106] Metric Martyrs lose appeal to House of Lords

2002-07-15 Thread Ezra Steinberg
See story by following this link: http://www.epolitix.com/default.asp?/bos/epxnews/238fc1c7798e1040a0f463339140c66d702f.htm

[USMA:22025] Quiet Conversion

2002-09-02 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just saw a program on PBS where one of segments talked about the quiet conversion that Kodak in Rochester, NY has done internally in the last couple of years to SI. I wonder how many other companies in the States (other than the well-publicized efforts of the US auto companies, etc.) are

[USMA:22284] RE: questions to Canadians

2002-09-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just checked the following link for the shuttle to the Casino Rama: http://www.greyhound.ca/fares/casino.html All the times are listed in AM/PM format. Ezra Bill Potts wrote: You might take more care with your spelling of Canada. Anyway, take a look at http://www.greyhound.ca -- just as

[USMA:22287] Anomolous use of am/pm format

2002-09-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just looked at the following page that clearly is intended for Canadians (not American tourists): http://www.greyhound.ca/fares/commuter.html While the schedule grid uses the 24 hour format, the text explanation preceding it uses am/pm format. Interesting (and weird to me) ... Ezra

[USMA:22310] Re: questions to canadians

2002-09-23 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Spelled out in its entirety, the French would read: OUVERT 09 heures 00 - 17 heures 00 lundi-vendredi In French 9 o'clock is 9 heures and 17 o'clock (if you will) is 17 heures. Vive le francais, volia tout! (And I can't figure out where to find the cedillas and accents on this bloody

[USMA:22382] Re: Aquafina water

2002-09-29 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Perhaps this is a metric-readiness strategy we're seeing here. All the more reason to push for approval of voluntary metric-only labelling. At that point I would bet everyone who's already gone metric in this way will drop the US Customary units and that will create momentum for all other

[USMA:22511] Role of government regulations

2002-10-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Jim Elwell wrote (in part): He (the metric martyr -- Ezra) refused to use a NEW approved scale system. He had a perfectly good one that the government had approved in the past. So, then, for example, if a manufacturer has an existing long-standing approved fire-protection system for his

[USMA:22521] Re: Role of government regulations

2002-10-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
' and 'individual freedom' were very high on the agenda. All Australian states now have fire fighting fittings that are made to uniform standards. Cheers, Pat Naughtin CAMS Geelong, Australia on 2002-10-08 04.47, Ezra Steinberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Elwell wrote (in part): He

[USMA:22522] Re: Role of government regulations

2002-10-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
, etc. It seems that it took a mini-flood of such scandals building up to a crescendo to finally push the legislators to do something.) Ezra Ezra Steinberg wrote: Thank you, Pat, for this useful bit of information. It makes me think of the role of safety some more as it relates to metrication

[USMA:22882] Anachronistic measures

2002-10-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Chris mentioned anachronistic measures in his comments about the case of the Austrian woman who wants to be able to serve beer in litres. In that vein I just came across the following: mutchkin -- a Scottish liquid measure of four gills. The old Scottish gallon contained eight pints, sixteen

[USMA:22930] Re: SI reference on CNN

2002-10-25 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Also, can our Canadian friends report on how the media there reported distances? I'm curious ... Ezra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:39:05 -0700, Nikolay O. Malyarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RE: Caught alleged sniper in the Washington area. Muhammad earned an M-16 expert

[USMA:22929] Re: SI reference on CNN

2002-10-25 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Say, Chris, how about the popular media in Britain? Did the tabloids and the independent stations (radio and TV) use SI, Imperial, or both (and in which order)? (If you happen to know ... ) Ezra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:39:05 -0700, Nikolay O. Malyarov [EMAIL

[USMA:23044] Phillipines

2002-10-31 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I just visited the official Philippine government tourism web site at http://www.tourism.gov.ph and see on the opening page that the temperatures for various cities in the Philippines are given in degrees Celsius only. I tried going to other parts of the site to see if they give distances only in

[USMA:23051] Re: [USMA:23046 Irish speed limits to change within 18 months!

2002-11-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Tom: Is there by chance a mailing address for this minister to which we can send an expression of support? Ezra Tom Wade VMS Systems wrote: So, Tom, is time to break out the Guinness and rejoice? After so many 'deadlines' that have come and gone ignored, I would certainly not break out a

[USMA:23052] Re: UK: Bennett wins - and loses

2002-11-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Chris, The last article (third link) mentions something about metric signs being a breach of regulation but not of the law (or some such). Can you clarify? Ezra = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2384065.stm

[USMA:23102] Re: Off topic and obnoxiousness postings

2002-11-03 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Right on the money, Carl. Ezra Carl Sorenson wrote: John wrote: It doesn't, so what! You know, it seems the ones who complain the most about the off-topic subjects that appear now and then are the ones who seldom or never make any comments. If all of you lurking in the back ground want

[USMA:23154] Re: Pack sizes in the EU

2002-11-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Interesting followup to Joe's remarks: I just noticed in Albertson's that Libby has labelled most of their glass (pyrex?) bowls and other containers as 1 Qt/1 L, 2 Qt/2 L, 9/25 cm, etc. I like the fact that they are using rational metric in their dual labelling. Ezra Joseph B. Reid wrote: Jim

[USMA:23592] Re: Of f Topic

2002-11-26 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Hmmm, did anyone do the same for our Canadian friends last month? (I'd hate to think we missed out on them!) Ezra John Nichols wrote: Dear All: I wish all the USA residents a Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy the Turkey and Stuffing. John Nichols John Nichols BE, Ph.D. (Newcastle), MIE

[USMA:23775] RE: Kelvin

2002-12-03 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just want to add that in actual usage one would normally see the plural (kelvins, kilokelvins, etc. just as one would with metres and kilometres, for example). Ezra Bill Potts wrote: Indeed, it can. In the absence of any stated restrictions (and I know of none), all SI units can be used

[USMA:24095] Re: more metric candy -- American this time

2002-12-18 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Saw Auto Week (by chance) on PBS and was surprised to hear them talk about the gas shocks on the cars as 36 mm. I'm guessing that's standard now.

[USMA:24109] Letter to the Teaching Company

2002-12-19 Thread Ezra Steinberg
will be more than happy to forward your ideas along to our Production/Development Team. Best Regards and Happy Holidays, Alexandra Arkoian Customer Relations -Original Message- From: Ezra Steinberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:47 PM To: CustServ

[USMA:24468] Hemisphere South on PBS

2003-01-15 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Saw part of a PBS show called Hemisphere South on our local affiliate KCSM. Couldn't find any more info about it either on their web site or the main PBS web site (and I didn't watch the whole thing so I missed the closing credits to see who produced it). The topic was the history of the

[USMA:24677] Re: State of the Union

2003-01-29 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Well, according to Homer Simpson, the correct pronunciation IS nucular (he corrected his daughter Lisa in one of the episodes). Ezra Stephen C. Gallagher wrote: That part irks me too. Saying nucular instead of nuclear is no different than saying pisghetti instead of spaghetti. But I did

[USMA:25028] Bless the Canadians

2003-03-04 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just saw a wildlife show on my local PBS station (well, one of them) that was produced both by Chileans and Canadians. The entire narration used SI. I was curious because the narrator had a North American accent (rather than Australian, New Zealander, or British) so at first I was wondering if I

[USMA:25131] Re: Some interesting conversations

2003-03-13 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Bill Potts wrote (in part): I was also in Shoppers' Drug Mart. I bought some Head and Shoulders shampoo. It's labeled 400 mL (13.5 FL OZ LIQ.). That was a disappointment, as it's made by Procter and Gamble, one of the more progressive companies with respect to metrication. (The label also

[USMA:25140] Who's left?

2003-03-14 Thread Ezra Steinberg
that are not metric: the US and Yemen. Is this the last word on the matter? (I'm curious on what basis Dr. Crawford makes that claim.) Ezra Terry Simpson wrote: Ezra Steinberg wrote: And did I miss seeing any results from that meeting a few months ago that NIST (?) called in Washington, DC to discuss

[USMA:25294] Re: Imperial pause

2003-03-23 Thread Ezra Steinberg
H, I find this news about the BBC both puzzling and discouraging. Can our UK correspondents (Chris, et al.) chime in here? What gives??? Ezra Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear John, Alas this is not so. The BBC is an absolute bastion of colonial units and it encourages the use of these in all

[USMA:25441] The Canadians still lead the way

2003-04-05 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just heard a nice touch on KCBS today (in San Francisco) where someone was being interviewed talking about the joys for Americans of visiting British Columbia. Besides mentioning the 60% discount on prices that holders of US dollars enjoy because of comparable prices in Canadian dollars combined

[USMA:26112] Irish metric speed limts

2003-06-16 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I read this in the government debates of last November: Ms Shortall: I am not talking about replacing the signs but about completing the review and taking decisions on this. When does the Minister expect to do that? Mr. Brennan: By the end of the first quarter of 2003 a fair road map should be

[USMA:26240] Re: US Department of Commerce agency to abolish use of lb-oz...

2003-07-03 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Strange bit of reasoning, of course. With that logic one could claim that inch-pound units are not permissible today because you can't label quantities using inch-pound only. Bollux! Ezra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2003-07-03 16:17:21 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[USMA:26242] British TV Programme Usage of Imperial

2003-07-04 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just finished watching on one of my local PBS stations an episode of a British TV series called Noah's Ark about a country vet and his entourage. According to the unofficial web site (http://www.troth.demon.co.uk/pages/noahsark.html) the show aired in the UK from December '97 to November '98. I

[USMA:26247] [Fwd: Re: RE: British TV Programme Usage of Imperial]

2003-07-04 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Terry: Thanks for your reply. Alas, the characters who used the words pint and gallon were both under 30 years old (not the old country vet!). Seems like the script writers would be taking that into account when they put words in those characters' mouths! Cheers, Ezra Terry Simpson wrote: I

[USMA:26505] Re: Metric distance sign in USA

2003-08-06 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I agree with Bill. BTW, this offers another argument for supporters of the proposed amendment to the FPLA to permit metric-only labelling. NAFTA packaging could then show metric only dimensions, etc. in metric only, since they clearly want to use a single set of units in each language. (Now that

[USMA:26494] OFF TOPIC: Fair Trade Research Council

2003-08-08 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I just noticed that the Fair Trade Research Council is hosted in the Sociology Department of the same illustrious institution of higher learning that hosts our very own USMA mailing list. Sounds like Colorado State University is a mighty cool campus ... Ezra

[USMA:26656] Australian Tourist Commission Web Site

2003-08-16 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I just checked out the Australian Tourist Commission web site (http://www.australia.com). Quite attractive and well laid out. They give you the opportunity to pick your language and your country. I was pleased to discover (insofar as I looked) that the English language versions for Canada and the

[USMA:26658] Re: Australian Tourist Commission Web Site

2003-08-17 Thread Ezra Steinberg
is 6 kms from the city centre. Any one looking the US version of the page could believe we are indeed not a metric country or even use Australian English. They did not provide the courtesy of a reply back. Regards,Brenton ConwayAdelaide, Australia. - Original Message - From: Ezra

[USMA:26771] Re: Metric usage within NASA

2003-09-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Hmmm, sounds a heck of a lot like the prevailing attitude in the UK about miles and road signs, eh? sigh Still, kudos to Chris Keenan, Lord Howe, the UKMA, et al. for continuing to fight the good fight! (As King Henry said it so well: Once more unto the breach!) Ezra John S. Ward wrote (in

[USMA:26775] Re: Metric usage within NASA

2003-09-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Yup, I kinda figured everyone knew that. Bill Potts wrote: Ezra Steinberg wrote: As King Henry said it so well: Once more unto the breach! That wasn't the real King Henry; that was merely Shakespeare's portrayal of King Henry V. g Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI

[USMA:26778] Re: Metric questions

2003-09-02 Thread Ezra Steinberg
John: I used to work as a line mechanic and did unit engine repair back in the late 70's. Since I worked for a foreign car shop, everything was metric (and we liked it that way). The older mechanics were also comfortable with SAE bolts and wrenches, etc. but I worked only on foreign cars (mostly

[USMA:27116] Irish speed limit signs

2003-10-06 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Gotta share the good news with the list! Thanks, Tom! :-) Ezra Original Message Subject: Re: Irish speed limit signs (Chris' reply) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:49:31 +0100 (WET-DST) From: Tom Wade VMS Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ezra, The task group

[USMA:27117] Speed and odometers on motor vehicles sold in Ireland

2003-10-06 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Tom Wade wrote (in part): New cars are still being sold with imperial dash controls. I'm getting a new one at the moment, and I've requested metric speed and odometer. In re-reading what you wrote, Tom, I am now wondering if there will be concurrent changes to the laws regarding speedometers

[USMA:27162] Oddball usage (was Lineal kilometres)

2003-10-12 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Dear List: On a somewhat related topic of bowlderized usage, I have noticed that American reporters or other Americans on TV or radio will use expressions such as a third of a kilometer based upon (I assume) the existing usage with miles. In this context, a kilometer becomes an opaque (albeit

[USMA:27816] spiffy new UKMA web site

2003-12-12 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I just looked at the latest version of the UKMA web site (http://www.ukma.org.uk) and really like it. Bravo to those who made the changes! Folks on this list might want to visit and see what they have done. The interesting thing I note is that the UKMA's arguments about the deficiencies of a

[USMA:27871] Shipping containers use metric and Imperial

2003-12-17 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Stopped behind a truck transporting one of those big metal shipping containers used on ocean freighters and just happened to notice that all the dimensions are listed first in metric followed by Imperial. This one just happened to have a rational tare weight of 4000 kg -- a pleasant (to me, at

[USMA:27876] Proctor and Gamble is rarin' to go!

2003-12-17 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Went to the local Safeway last night to buy shampoo and noticed all of the rational metric labelling on the Proctor and Gamble products. Yes, U.S. Customary units are listed first followed by SI in parentheses, but the pre-positioning by PG of 750 mL and similar rational product sizes is quite

[USMA:27878] Some toilets have metric indications

2003-12-17 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just returned from Home Depot (the holiday madness is on) and noticed that at least one manufacturer of toilets (Glacier Way, I think?) lists the minimum pressure to be used in both metric (first!) and English. The metric symbol is written as kpa instead of kPa, but otherwise it's nice to see

[USMA:27880] It's Glacier Bay, and the toilet is made in China

2003-12-17 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I suddenly remembered the manufacturer is Glacier Bay. A little digging turns up that these toilets are made in China. Still couldn't find a web site for them. (Note that http://www.glacierbay.com turns up an entirely different company altogether.) Ezra

[USMA:27916] Cheeseborough Ponds goes Procter and Gamble one better

2003-12-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Shopped in my local drugstore this afternoon and noticed that the Vaseline skin care products are labelled in rational metric sizes first with the U.S. customary indication following in parentheses. This is even better than what PG is doing currently. The main thing I'm noticing, though, is

[USMA:27957] Mixed Bag on Mars

2003-12-24 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just read up about the Beagle 2 mission sent by the UK to Mars. Liked how the BBC web site referred to the distance travelled by the probe in kilometres. Then I was surprised to read the quotation by the mission manager that the probe will be slowed to a speed of 36 miles per hour. I'm guessing

[USMA:28092] Correcting metric symbols on Accuweather web site

2004-01-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I checked out the Accuweather web site (http://www.accuweather.com) and noticed they let you choose metric units. The thing I noticed is that they got some of the symbols wrong (kph for km/h, etc.). I sent them a feedback note about the necessary corrections; they replied that they are passing

[USMA:28541] Re: Ireland signs

2004-02-05 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Anyone see an announcement in the Irish press or on an Irish government web site? -Original Message- From: Nat Hager III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 5, 2004 12:07 PM To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [USMA:28540] Ireland signs Seems like a formal announcement

[USMA:28633] Re: Australian Birth Announcements

2004-02-10 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Dear Pat: I'm wondering if there are any physicians who could be recruited to sign a petition recommending that Australian hospitals that the existing charts be replaced with one like the one you suggest and that the practice of hospital staff converting measurements of mass from SI to

[USMA:29253] Re: Australian labelling

2004-03-20 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Yes, that's excellent! Then we get reminded that Subway still calls their sandwiches "6-inches"! I assume Aussies treat that as an opaque label (in much the same way that customers at Starbucks think of "tall", "grande", and "vente" when referring to cup sizes) rather than understanding the

[USMA:29279] Science channel doing more SI than most US channels

2004-03-23 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I have been watching some of the Science Channel (apparently the new name for the Discovery Channel). I have been pleased to note that most of the programs I have viewed use SI (only!) both in the narration and in the interviews with scientists. This is a big change from what the Discovery

[USMA:29298] metric Duck Tape (sic)

2004-03-25 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I just happened to notice at Winco that the longer length of Duck Tape (R) brand duct tape is sold in rational metric length (55 m). Happy to see that! The shorter length is still sold in rational ifp (with metric in parentheses specifying a length in meters that includes a decimal fraction

[USMA:29310] Canadian metric muddle evident

2004-03-26 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Someone posted recently an article from a newspaper in the prairie provinces arguing against the current Canadian metric muddle and recommending going back to Imperial or completely forward to metric. (Hard for me to see how they can go back given all the current investment in metric, like

[USMA:29602] Prime Suspect tweaked for U.S. audience?

2004-04-21 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I don't know who else might have scene the first part of Prime Suspect 6 with Hellen Mirren (who plays a London detective superintendent) that aired last Sunday night on PBS, but I was suprised (except when they referred to miles, alas!) to hear all of the measurements used by the actors given

[USMA:29611] RE: Prime Suspect tweaked for U.S. audience?

2004-04-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
] Subject: [USMA:29610] RE: Prime Suspect tweaked for U.S. audience? Of Ezra Steinberg I don't know who else might have scene the first part of Prime Suspect 6 with Hellen Mirren (who plays a London detective superintendent) that aired last Sunday night on PBS, but I was suprised (except when

[USMA:29763] RE: Calif. wineries go outside the bottle

2004-05-12 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Ditto, Nat. I suspect that once the FPLA is amended (and the UPLR adopted in all US jurisdictions) we will start seeing a pretty brisk conversion to rational metric sizes in prepackaged goods. Ezra - Original Message - From: Nat Hager III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association

[USMA:29774] Re: Tesco press release.

2004-05-12 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Looking at the Tesco site, I found a link to a diet site (not Tesco)that uses only Imperial measuresfor height and"stones" for weight -- not even the option to use metric! Is there a Hall of Shame web page on the UKMA site? These folks should be on there! Ezra - Original Message

[USMA:30007] British scientific usage?

2004-05-30 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Been watching the Science Channel some more (interesting earth science programs) and have noticed that the British scientists seem to consistently say kill-AH-mih-ter instead of KILL-oh-mee-ter and regularly say Centigrade instead of Celsius. (I find the latter a bit more surprising than the

[USMA:30038] Of KILL-oh-meter and ki-LAH-mi-ter

2004-06-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Here's what Michael Quinion has to say on the subject: [Q] From William Murray; a related question came from Tim Riley in London: The title of your new book, Ologies and Isms, reminded me of a thought I've had about kilometer. The word itself is not essential in the USA, except for scientific

[USMA:30044] Inch-pound only labelling allowed?

2004-06-02 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I was shopping in Fred Meyers (here in Portland) and noticed that some of the patio furniture (from China) had dimensions on the box listed only in inches. I thought it was illegal to sell items in the USA where the units on the packaging were only US Customary. Can anyone knowledgeable

[USMA:30075] NAFTA packaging in US Customary only legal in Canada and Mexico?

2004-06-07 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Just saw a "first" for me: a NAFTA package (for a fire ring we bought) in English/French/Spanish with only US Customary units. (In all other cases I've seen NAFTA packages have used US Customary in the English and SI in the other two languages.) Is this legal in either Canada or Mexico?

[USMA:30138] Re: Irish speed limits

2004-06-15 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Title: Message Actually, it sounds like this representative makes good sense based on the quotes provided in the article. And this raises a good point: anyone know why the government has not started an education campaign aimed at the Irish driving public to prepare them for the change-over

[USMA:30188] Aussies still using inches for rainfall?

2004-06-22 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I was watching a show on the National Geographic channel about locusts in Australia. I did not get to see the whole show, so I did not watch the production credits to see when the show was produced. However, based on references to certain dates in the show, I'm certain that the show was produced

[USMA:30260] SI from the scientists and IFP from the narration

2004-06-30 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Saw a very interesting episode of Scientific American Frontiers on PBS tonight. The subject was the effects of global warming on the geography, flora, and fauna of Alaska. I noted that all the scientists (with a couple of exceptions that I'll explain next) used SI while the narration done

[USMA:30269] European directive includes kh/h road signs?

2004-07-01 Thread Ezra Steinberg
I looked up "metric" in the archives of the Irish Times and came across this article in February about the upcoming change-over to metric speed limit signs: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/motoring/2004/0211/1242286904MOT11LEAD.html The bit that interested me the most was this: "Metric

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