From: Mary Yugo
* Have you seen such a paper for hot fusion? They have run through almost
$20
billion by last count, so why no 'killer paper' or even a convincing
experiment that points to financial justification? LOL.
MY: Let me see if I understand this. If hot fusion doesn't work that
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Sell, how?
Easy. Just call Starbuck's CEO and tell him they you can show them how to
make all the coffee they want and heat all their stores for 1/100 or 1/1000
of their current energy costs. He'll either have you
I dont even have the money to build one! And I have no patent, there is
nothing I can do about it. He would just rip me off. Would you work as my
sales person, if I show to you that it works?
2011/11/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Daniel Rocha
Well, I guess I thought that you could see reasonable argument and progress
from there, but now I suspect that I was wrong. It will not be productive to
continue with this line of discussion.
Unless you have a change of attitude, I will not devote any more energy in
trying to teach you how
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, she was the
penultimate skeptic and once said, I wouldn't believe in aliens if a
UFO landed on my front lawn and an alien came out and bit
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* Mary Yugo
** **
Are you always this flippant with your logical deductions - when faced
with the inadequacy of the same old lame argument that we have been hearing
for weeks? I suppose you realize that
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I dont even have the money to build one! And I have no patent, there is
nothing I can do about it. He would just rip me off. Would you work as my
sales person, if I show to you that it works?
Sure. Show me it works
I think Mary needs to prove to us that she knows anything about calorimetry and
has published on the subject. I have seen no evidence at all. Why is she more
believable than Rossi?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:12 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I think Mary needs to prove to us that she knows anything about
calorimetry and has published on the subject. I have seen no evidence at
all. Why is she more believable than Rossi?
Try addressing the issues I raised
Alright, although I am a little skeptic on how I could be a zillionaire
without any kind of property protection (Id like to know if it ever
happened).
2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
I dont even have the
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I dont even have the money to build one! And I have no patent, there is
nothing I can do about it. . . .
Sure. Show me it works and I'll make you a zillionaire and it won't be
difficult.
It would be very difficult. If you have no patent, anyone is
If I were designing a public demonstration of LENR, I would make a:
LENR-gizer Bunny that keeps going, and going... (with an empty battery
compartment, of course)
And I thought the US regulators were insane:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8897662/EU-bans-claim-that-water-can-prevent-dehydration.html
Am I missing something?
T
Daniel I think you have MY pretty well pegged. She is a talker, Rossi is a
doer. It is good for the world that we have plenty of Rossi's.
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:50 pm
Subject: Re:
It is only a matter of time before you will be proven wrong MY. We will all
celebrate on that day.
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Gain from the cold side
On Sat, Nov 19,
Meanwhile, as further evidence of world insanity:
http://www.iter.org/construction/layout
work progresses.
And, proving that it is not just Europe that is insane:
https://lasers.llnl.gov/newsroom/project_status/
Nice Hohlraums!
T
I really would love to see Rossi-LENR succeed, while billions are blown on ITER.
It would be like a janitor at CERN discovering the Higgs boson in his mop
bucket.
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Meanwhile, as further evidence of world insanity:
http://www.iter.org/construction/layout
NIF cost $4,200,000,000
ITER cost $14,000,000,000
Afganistan war cost $477,000,000,000
Iraq war cost $804,000,000,000
http://costofwar.com/en/
T
All I requested is for you to show us the proof. Why should we believe
anything you say without proof? Please list your references so we can verify
your claim of knowledge.
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 19,
Message whispered to me:
Yes you are missing something. In physiology there is a well known
phenomenon known as water induced diuresis. Taking in more water
than you really need triggers a hormonal feedback mechanism from the
pituitary gland to the kidney so that you pee out more water than
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Did buggy mechanics all die off when cars came out? Of course not, they
switched to working on cars.
No, they did not. Existing industry leader seldom survive after a major
change in technology. See The Innovator's Dilemma. Some examples from
that book:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is only a matter of time before you will be proven wrong MY. We will
all celebrate on that day.
LOL... me too!! But please don't hold your breath!
I just read this briefly . . . A few sentences gave me the impression the
regulators are be saying that bottled water is no better than tap water for
hydration.
In the U.S. bottled water produces regularly make claims (or insinuations,
really) that their product is particularly pure or good for
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
All I requested is for you to show us the proof. Why should we believe
anything you say without proof? Please list your references so we can
verify your claim of knowledge.
I make no claims. There's nothing to
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Did buggy mechanics all die off when cars came out? Of course not, they
switched to working on cars.
No, they did not. Existing industry leader seldom survive after a major
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I just read this briefly . . . A few sentences gave me the impression the
regulators are be saying that bottled water is no better than tap water for
hydration.
So, I hope. But that is not what is reported in the
Good news : I found the link.Legacy Image - Scan to PDF
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710004292_1971004292.pdf
Bad news ... the file's corrupted, and only shows about a quarter of the
document on one of my systems (not this one!). Download fails, and adobe says
file
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
My wife has a kidney disorder and is not allowed tap water. So, we
drink purified water.
That sounds strange. Is it from her nephrologist/internist or is it from
some nurse practitioner, physician assistant or holistic
Downloaded the document ok. All there.
AG
On 11/20/2011 1:57 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Good news : I found the link.Legacy Image - Scan to PDF
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710004292_1971004292.pdf
Bad news ... the file's corrupted, and only shows about a quarter
Weird ... can you search for surface tension/drops
(It's probably to big to email ... but could you give it a try. This address)
- Original Message -
Downloaded the document ok. All there.
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:59 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Unless you have a change of attitude, I will not devote any more energy in
trying to teach you how the system works. Your mind is closed.
Again, with the condescension. But that kind of statement actually shows
that it
It is 11.8 MBs. Sending in the next email.
AG
On 11/20/2011 2:10 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Weird ... can you search for surface tension/drops
(It's probably to big to email ... but could you give it a try. This address)
- Original Message -
Downloaded the document ok. All there.
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
My wife has a kidney disorder and is not allowed tap water. So, we
drink purified water.
That sounds strange. Is it from her
Sent. Shall I also send to your direct email?
AG
On 11/20/2011 2:10 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Weird ... can you search for surface tension/drops
(It's probably to big to email ... but could you give it a try. This address)
- Original Message -
Downloaded the document ok. All
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I dont even have the money to build one! And I have no patent, there is
nothing I can do about it. . . .
Sure. Show me it works and I'll make you a zillionaire and it won't be
I didn't say that...
Anyway, I am happy now that MY will help me become rich, if I give her the
instructions on how to make a device, even without patent protection. She
is going to make and test the devices. I think she may take a few thousand
of her $100,000.00 prize for someone who can drive a
Send to Vortex failed. Sending directly to your email.
AG
On 11/20/2011 2:10 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Weird ... can you search for surface tension/drops
(It's probably to big to email ... but could you give it a try. This address)
- Original Message -
Downloaded the document
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Send to Vortex failed. Sending directly to your email.
Vortex is limited to a 40 kByte file size. Yahoo will allow 10 Mbyte
attachments or larger if you use their new mailer. You can load it up
to your documents
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
wrote:
My wife has a kidney disorder and is not allowed tap water. So, we
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
in Google scholar and got only 5 pages of returns, none of which was
relevant. I did the same for kidney failure chlorine drinking water and
got 900+ returns. However, most have to do with eliminating microorganisms
from
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say that...
Anyway, I am happy now that MY will help me become rich, if I give her the
instructions on how to make a device, even without patent protection. She
is going to make and test the devices. I think
On 11/20/2011 2:30 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
What Rossi could do would be twofold. First, ally himself with some
deep pockets.
Deep pockets? How much deeper can you get but the military? Who Rossi
now claims bought the first and the next 13 x 1 MW E-Cat plants. I doubt
the military would wish to
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Ackshully, it's the mineral content which concerns Dr. Jacobson.
Polycystic patients are prone to kidney stones.
That makes sense but it tends to
I am really serious, I am not bating you. I said I do not have the money
to develop anything, so I will have to do it the way of open source. It is
public doman from the start. I come up with the idea and then someone
might help me someday build the thing. You will have to help me become rich
Thanks for that tip. It is done:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B__Wi_DF2CjJM2Y2Mjc4YTQtNjliNC00OGMxLWI5NTAtNWY0NzUyNWU1MTQ5
AG
On 11/20/2011 2:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Send to Vortex failed. Sending
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am really serious, I am not bating you. I said I do not have the money
to develop anything, so I will have to do it the way of open source. It is
public doman from the start. I come up with the idea and then someone
OK, deal :)
2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
OK, so you say. If you come up with something, I would be more than
delighted to help you test it so nobody with an IQ 10 can deny it's
real. And I can find you a Daddy Warbucks too if you need one. But
please, first make something
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
And also to be cautious of minerals in
general. I wonder how she manages to get enough calcium.
Chelated mineral supplements don't contribute to stones.
Also, we roast our chickens long and slow and consume the bones.
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
On 11/20/2011 2:30 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
What Rossi could do would be twofold. First, ally himself with some deep
pockets.
Deep pockets? How much deeper can you get but the military?
I agree. If the
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for that tip. It is done:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B__Wi_DF2CjJM2Y2Mjc4YTQtNjliNC00OGMxLWI5NTAtNWY0NzUyNWU1MTQ5
That worked great. You can shorten the URL using goo.gl which keeps a
record of your
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, deal :)
Deal. Sorry but I can't help you build it. I'm all thumbs in a machine
shop. Positively dangerous.
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, deal :)
Don't trust Mary. I know her. She won't do a deal until it's self running.
T
Alright, you get someone you trust to replicate. No worries.
2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
OK, deal :)
Deal. Sorry but I can't help you build it. I'm all thumbs in a machine
shop. Positively
Mary, I have a nice infinite COP device in my pocket to show you. I
produces electricity from no known energy source. That is as long as you
forget about the discovery of the photovoltaic effect in 1839. Ok, I
agree that in 2011 the device will not meet your requirements. BUT in
1838 it would
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Deal. Sorry but I can't help you build it. I'm all thumbs in a machine
shop. Positively dangerous.
She's serious. All fingers have been milled to zero.
T
Well, she didn't say self running, but a big COP. That's fine.
2011/11/20 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK, deal :)
Don't trust Mary. I know her. She won't do a deal until it's self
running.
T
Are you interested in building an ecat? You could help me.
2011/11/20 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Mary, I have a nice infinite COP device in my pocket to show you. I
produces electricity from no known energy source. That is as long as you
forget about the discovery of the
All you have are your straw man argument. Where is your proof that the
colonel was not who Rossi said he was and that Rossi lied when he
recently said the original purchaser was military and has now purchased
a further 13 x 1MW plants. With Rossi we have photos of hardware,
videos, data, first
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
Joshua wrote: »In the 2-phase literature, this mixture of percolated hot
water and steam is still called low-quality steam.»
Outside Krivit-inspired Rossi discussion I have never heard this kind of
definition for
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Not if the output is actually much higher than the input!
If only half the water is vaporized, and the output is higher than the
input, then the output must contain more than half liquid water, which was
the point to
I'm currently working on a design but have not yet started building. I'm
going small as I do respect what could happen if I get a run away and
can't shut it down quickly. I fully understand what others have said
about Rossi when they saw the 18 hour test cell hit 123 kWs. I would not
want to
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
All you have are your straw man argument. Where is your proof that the
colonel was not who Rossi said he was and that Rossi lied when he recently
said the original purchaser was military and has now purchased a
Lol, wut?
2011/11/20 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
Not if the output is actually much higher than the input!
If only half the water is vaporized, and the output is higher than the
input, then the output must
Proof? Rossi and his agents are taking orders. No money paid until
delivery and your engineers have certified it meets the agreed claims.
The only scam is in your straw man statements. You claim to have money
or access to money. All you need do is to place an order (Rossi has said
he will go
Daniel, I think that the poster believes that the ECATs are full of water in
Rossi's 1 MW test. His argument is totally dependant upon having the ECATs
full so that water is forced out with the vapor. Under those conditions,
plenty of water would indeed be expelled. Unfortunately, the
Interesting but not flattering!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/11/19/who-cares-about-the-voodoo-the-dumb-user-is-dead/
It is apparent that this list is being disrupted by several characters who do
nothing but make false arguments. As you realize, they do not make
contributions that are helpful.
We would be wise to totally ignore their posts and I plan to do so. It is
unfortunate that they would dedicate so
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:30 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Daniel, I think that the poster believes that the ECATs are full of water
in Rossi's 1 MW test.
Well, full of water and steam. The steam takes up most of the volume and so
it moves much faster entraining water droplets
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I made a good faith effort to explain the system to one of them to no
avail. That particular one refused to discuss the operation of Rossi's 1
MW system in details point by point.
It is apparent that he realized that
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:49 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is only a matter of time before you will be proven wrong MY. We will
all celebrate on that day.
You should carry a sign. You'd fit right in with the ones carrying signs
about The End is Near.
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Have you seen such a paper for hot fusion?
Why yes. Have a look at http://www.progressive.org/images/pdf/1179.pdf.
It's an article from 1979 in The Progressive on the H-Bomb secret. I guess
there are many earlier papers,
Credit Mark Gibbs, Forbes.com:
/snip/
As intriguing as the demonstrations by Andrea Rossi of his E-Cat heat
generation system have been, nothing concrete has been revealed since the three
ring circus … er, test … in Bologna on October 28th.
As I discussed in one posting (“Believing in Cold
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll start with Dr. Mallove's conclusion:
What it boils down to is this: By studying the history MIT and cold
fusion, one learns that paradigm-paralyzed and unethical scientists
have the motive and means to wreck
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*
*
What it means, of course, is that getting clean cost effective energy from
non-combustion, non fission sources is extremely difficult, and requires
proper funding levels.
That's obviously true of hot fusion. You
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
It's very unlikely that support from MIT would have attracted much more
interest in cold fusion.
As MIT attracted little research in hot fusion. And received little
funding. Crude, Cude.
T
I have just emailed Rossi with my interest in purchasing a 100 kW E-Cat
plant. I do thank Vortex members (on the forum and privately) for
providing the behind the scenes insight into the history of LENR that
helped to make this decision happen. My bags are ready to be packed,
funds locked down
Rossi said he'd sell to anybody except the military.
On Nov 19, 2011, at 23:17, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/20/2011 2:30 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
What Rossi could do would be twofold. First, ally himself with some deep
pockets.
Deep pockets? How much deeper can
Lots of work has been done on pyrolysis. The bogosity factor for any
related ou claims seem to me to be high, but who knows? There
appears to be utility none the less. Some additional patent
documents of possible interest relating to carbon pyrolysis:
5792325 Electric arc material
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's very unlikely that support from MIT would have attracted much more
interest in cold fusion.
As MIT attracted little research in hot
Hello,
Congrats on being able to test an E-Cat.
I would like to request that you utilize two, single modules in the test. One
with hydrogen, and another without hydrogen. The one with no hydrogen would be
the control. You would input electrical power into the control just like you
would the
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
I have just emailed Rossi with my interest in purchasing a 100 kW E-Cat
plant.
Wasn't someone here saying that Rossi doesn't inspire confidence? This
takes confidence, I'd say.
For the secondary water flow, use a lower flow rate, creating a higher delta T.
Then, the output flow can be diverted into any basin (and periodically
emptied), with the temperature measured there. You could use a thermocouple
inside of the input water flow for measure, but keep a disconnect in
Please ask for two E-Cats to be tested. One with hydrogen and one without
hydrogen.
In all the tests that have been done so far, there has not been a control
used. A test with a control would blow away the thermal inertia hypothesis.
It would also confirm beyond a doubt that the E-Cat with
On Nov 20, 2011, at 0:52, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I made a good faith effort to explain the system to one of them to no avail.
That particular one refused to discuss the operation of Rossi's 1 MW system
in details point by point.
It is apparent that he realized that
I doubt that would work as the control E-Cat may have been preloaded
with H2, either in the processing of the powder or in the initial
operational testing. I will ask if this is possible.
AG
On 11/20/2011 5:48 PM, noone noone wrote:
Hello,
Congrats on being able to test an E-Cat.
I would
If cold fusion is ever properly demonstrated, thousands of scientists will
want to investigate it just as thousands turned to PF when they made their
initial announcement.
Excess heat, wet steam, and the other legions of nonsense offered to
degrade the term cold fusion are not the issue. At the
I intend to use a digital flow rate monitor, inserted into the intake
water hose. The data logger will record 16 input and output data points
every 100 ms or finer if necessary. Amazing what GB memories can do.
Thanks for the lower flow rate and use of a bucket / basin for secondary
checking
Well I do hope he will sell a 100 kW plant to me.
AG
On 11/20/2011 5:39 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
Rossi said he'd sell to anybody except the military.
On Nov 19, 2011, at 23:17, Aussie Guy E-Cataussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/20/2011 2:30 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
What Rossi could do
The critical point is to properly treat it as a black box. Don't get
distracted with E-Cat temperature, pressure, etc. You can take additional data
points, but don't rely on any measurements taken from INSIDE Rossi's system.
What you NEED:
You need good-and-proper input power measurements
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