Refs please.
Michel
2009/6/23 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com:
Given the evidence that both of these effects exist, both the electron being
ejected and arcs creating excess energy...
The former will take more time, but the latter have already been given.
Stiffler replication | variant
JLN Patent replication | variant
Edwin Gray
Imris Pavel
and probably Testatika
A list of course is not much use, I have however already detailed these in 2
posts so far...
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009
2009/6/23 Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com
V,
Hmm. Very little to say, re: my plasma capacitor relaxation oscillator. I'll
do a few more quick tests and let you know what I find.
John, now that we've established, despite the static, that one can make a cap
with one plate a
What I was going to type before my finger slipped is: But it wouldn't
change the charge nor the value of the capacitor, as the inside plate
would still be there, only it would be disconnected.
Michel
2009/6/23 Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com:
2009/6/23 Kyle Mcallister
I meant full refs of the scientific papers, or at least links to well
documented experiments by serious experimenters. Patents have no
scientific value of course, you can claim any impossible thing and get
a patent for it.
Michel
2009/6/23 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com:
The former will take
No, you make a mistake.
You have followed the line of thought that some forms of evidence have value
and others don't but in truth all forms of evidence can have value and no
form of evidence is perfect.
Of course a patent can have scientific value bit if it has value to
scientist who are
Let me have another crack at that, I rushed and the quality of the email
paid the price.
You are making a mistake.
You have followed the line of thought that some forms of evidence have value
and others don't but in truth all forms of evidence can have value and no
form of evidence is
Of course no form of evidence is perfect, but some are less perfect
than others. From my personal experience with Naudin and Stiffler,
they have both shown that they are not capable, or not willing, to
measure an energy balance correctly, plus they refuse to engage in a
scientific debate. They are
The same could be said of many respected scientists in truth.
I believe that both JLN and Stiffler have generally good intentions, neither
are perfect.
The degree to which anyone is an expert or amateur varies greatly by both
subject and is highly relative.
To attack so broadly is in bad taste.
This thread is a neat nugget of speculative fiction, reminiscent of the
science fiction of the 40's and 50's, exploring the consequences of emerging
technologies. Indeed, the emergence of LENR and BLP technologies will be
disruptive of established political and economic systems based on the
I appreciate this techno-anarchist vision as offering a measure of hope.
I can remember Tom Paine's writings about the American Revolution saying 'let
the trouble occur in my day so that my children will live in peace' . Today,
we place our grandkids in hopeless debt, by contrast.
Global
I gave you my honest opinion, I won't try and convert you to it.
So, what is the evidence for electron ejection?
Michel
2009/6/23 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com:
The same could be said of many respected scientists in truth.
I believe that both JLN and Stiffler have generally good intentions,
This person knows a thing or two about cold fusion and Koonin, who is
unfortunately now in a politically powerful job:
http://helian.net/blog/2009/06/22/nuclear-energy/the-spawar-experiments-and-the-recurring-resurrections-of-cold-fusion/
- Jed
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote:
No it is not, there is plenty of evidence that it is not EM as an EM pulse
can't become a static charge.
A mixture of GHz e-field and ion cloud would mimic an anomalous radiation
which can charge a surface. I suggest taking this possibility *very*
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote:
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
Then I should ignore glass-enclosed plasmas which block the particles
No, the electrons can pass through insulators, although an open air arc has
some ideal qualities.
Electrons
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to John Berry's message of Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:04:05 +1200:
Also how can microwaves charge something with a static charge?
This is just a guess, but consider that most metals have an oxide coating due
to
exposure to the air. The
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote:
I considered that and more but IMO that moves from the realm of probability
to debunking..
Debunking is totally different than criticism. Debunkers try to stop
thought, stop experiments, and say we should drop this topic because
of X.
Critics on the
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
V,
Hmm. Very little to say, re: my plasma capacitor relaxation oscillator. I'll
do a few more quick tests and let you know what I find.
Your results are just what I'd expect, since plasmas are resistors, or
fluid conductors. Mercury rectifiers
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote:
in the general region as both Hiddink claimed and was to a lesser degree
reported by Stiffler, also a guy on a Ed Gray conversion tube list after
listening to me tried some stuff out and fried a pack of distant diodes.
Stiffler's reputation on this list
In my experience I can tend to present too much too fast giving people too
much to read not to mention the fact I can be long winded.
I do not conceal things, it is somewhat key to understanding the complete
process but it was developed after I made the initial correlation and after
Stiffler had
That is fine then, as long as it is clear that it is used not to demotivate
but to make things more rigorous.
But criticism can feel like an attack even when you aren't expecting it but
moreso when you are.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:03 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun
He has plainly made some interesting demos and if this is true then yes that
is very disappointing.
Sock puppets to praise your own work is more than a bit creepy.
It does seem he had an issue with criticism and somehow (how I'm not sure) I
managed to piss him off.
As true as all that may be
This is somewhat off topic, but I found an interesting document
describing the largest thermonuclear bomb ever detonated:
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html
It produced a 50 MT blast. It was 8 m long and weighed 27 tons. It
was dropped from a Tu-95 airplane.
It was
I could be wrong but I think everyone here would be well aware of the
relative comparison?
Thinking that pipes would needed to deliver the water would not be a mistake
made by most of the people who can find the US on a map I think.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote:
Thinking that pipes would needed to deliver the water would not be a
mistake made by most of the people who can find the US on a map I think.
I do not understand this statement.
- Jed
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
I have also read that 1/5th seems to think that the sun circles the earth.
Of course there are plenty of cases of dueling statistics but that is a well
reported figure.
For something genius, watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA
On
In reply to Chris Zell's message of Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:48:03 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Global economic collapse may be the price we would pay for radical new
technology but on the other hand, it may not matter anymore, given the
fragility of international markets.
[snip]
I suspect that global
Kirk denies that he was captured.
From: kirk.shana...@srnl.doe.gov
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:21:45 -0400
Did they capture Shanahan too?
Not at all.
In reply to John Berry's message of Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:59:59 +1200:
Hi,
[snip]
Now the rest of the reason I believe it is electrons being ejected will be
explained in another email when I have the time...
[snip]
The only real problem I have with ejected electrons is the range. Even beta
Your comments suggest that we have our backs against the wall. I feel impelled
to agree and I am actually glad to see such comments.
Economics is called the dismal science for good reason. Science and academia do
not exist in isolation. As more and more facts are revealed, it is apparent
From John Berry,
For something genius, watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA
Ingenious indeed. I sent the link off to my stepdaughter, an Arabic dancer.
Thanks!
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
First there is a note regarding a piece of evidence presented.
-
The basis of this was written almost a year ago.
Your (Bill's) objection to Stiffler was just made known to me this morning.
This does touch on a device which Stiffler did have some involvement with as
one
Chris Zell wrote:
* There have been times when the US was faced with defeat and encountered a
miracle. The US had only enough rubber to fight WW2 for a few months - and
suddenly discovered synthetic rubber.
The was comparatively minor compared to what writer W.L. Laurence the Great
Five
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote:
Kyle, nice work as always. Couldn't the plate (the support
of the net
charge) be simply the inside surface of the glass tube, and
the plasma
be just the conducting wire leading to that plate? In
this case,
suppressing the
Slowly dying should not be expected to generate the effect.
The capacitance apparently increasing on the death of the plasma is curious.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.comwrote:
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote:
Kyle,
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dateline: 2013
In reply to Chris Zell's message of Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:38:21 -
0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Your comments suggest that we have our backs against the wall. I
feel
Bill wrote:
I suggest that it's a VERY bad idea to try distorting results by concealing
any parts of it.
Concealment is an element of deception, that's why the legal phrase says the
WHOLE truth. Such
concealment is what manipulative people do. You'd best avoid it.
Bill, you're much to
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