The trade winds are driven primarily from the convection currents that
take their energy from solar heating. The corriolis force means that
the convection currents do not just go in a north-south direction but
swing to the east or west. Given all this, at least some of the energy
that drives
And the reply is that you cant change the total angular momentum of the
system without reference to something external to said system (e.g. the
moon) so a windmill (or an RAR engine) working within the system can
take angular momentum from the earth (e.g. by spinning), but it will
give it back
You make an excellent point Nigel. Even an artillery shell that has its
apparent path diverted by the coriolis effect is not given extra energy from
the earth, but instead travels in a free path. The earth rotates out from
beneath the original aim point. A similar process must be happening
David Roberson
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22David+Roberson%22
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There should not be any extra energy than was present in the high velocity gas
and other
Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
And the reply is that you cant change the total angular momentum of the
system without reference to something external to said system (e.g. the
moon) so a windmill (or an RAR engine) working within the system can take
angular momentum from the earth
But if the shell is instead constrained inside a straight tube, the tube
would experience a lateral force and if allowed to move
against an energy absorber, one could extract that energy.
Hoyt
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:35 AM
To:
From: Bob Cook
* Ni is a ferro magnetic metal which can retain an alignment of the
electrons so as to create a permanent magnet and B field after the
elimination of an external field. Pd which is paramagnetic loses its
internal B field when an external
As I found out some years ago when I spent a couple of months on this,
whatever system you come up with, when you actually go through the maths
it comes up with the same answer, and that is that you cannot extract
energy from the rotation of the earth without reference to some external
body.
This thought is sort of absurd.
The magnetic field only increases with inverse square law when you are well
OUTSIDE all of the sources and they can be considered an equivalent far
point source. Just like the Earth's gravity doesn't become infinite as you
approach the Earth's center of mass. As
I thought the justifications for these mechanical over-unity machines came
from some kind of non-conservation during JERK (the derivative of
acceleration) and the machines were designed to produce jerk. Does anyone
else remember the justification based on non-conservation during jerk?
Perhaps
A fundamental requirement for the production of cold fusion is atomic
irregularity. As Ed Storms has discovered in looking at all those thousands
of experiments, Cold fusion occurs when the material that is carrying it is
gritty, chunky, bumpy, cracked and rough.
Because of this distinction,
A spinning figure skater is often used to demonstrate the principle of
conservation of angular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeB4aAVQMug
However, the skater also exerts some muscular energy to pull her arms
inward, so doesn't this boost the angular momentum slightly?
Harry
Yes, there is a limit in the case of atoms (without getting into nuclear
magnetics). In a number of papers, Dennis Letts recognized the possibility
that the internal magnetic field for hydrogen, in particular - would be much
stronger than an external field which could align it - on the order
http://ediss.sub.uni-hamburg.de/volltexte/2009/4133/pdf/Andre_Diss-00_Main_final.pdf
When the temperature of magnetic metals gets above the Curie temperature,
their magnetic nature changes in state to the formation of magnetic vortex
nano-domains.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Jones Beene
Here are some pictures of the process of vortex formation
http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v8/n5/full/nnano.2013.69.html
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
http://ediss.sub.uni-hamburg.de/volltexte/2009/4133/pdf/Andre_Diss-00_Main_final.pdf
When the
Harry, the skater pulls her arms inwards but that does not contribute to her
rotating motion directly. The increased speed is due to the reduction of her
moment of inertia and the conservation law requires for her to spin faster so
that the product of her moment of inertia and angular velocity
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the justifications for these mechanical over-unity machines came
from some kind of non-conservation during JERK (the derivative of
acceleration) and the machines were designed to produce jerk. Does anyone
In explanation, when Xenon is forced to move in a coherent direction in a
group, translational, rotational and vibrational energy is converted to
directional energy and the Xenon atoms are cooled but still energetic.
Typical set-up for cooling noble gases is the supersonic beam technique.
Attn: spin doctors
Hope this is not belaboring the point about the intrinsic magnetic
connection that exists, and may in fact be causative - to a finding of gain
in LENR systems. Consider one further major point in the context of Steven
Jones' finding of an RF signature.
Consider the field of
You're undoubtedly right. It makes me wonder if these simple newtonian
problems from dynamics 101 can be so
mind blowing, what's the chances of analyzing these bizarre non-linear
maxwellian/relativistic/quantum mechanical kinds
of problems.
Hoyt
From: Nigel Dyer
Perhaps there are some counter-intuitive ways to extract heat energy
from the environment using spin reservoirs. If real, probably just an
apparent (but useful) exploitation of a 2nd Law loophole.
A couple of references:
Single-reservoir heat engine: Controlling the spin
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
So jerk is conserved, snap is conserved, crackle is conserved, pop is
conserved and all higher as yet unnamed derivatives are also
conserved.
If anyone is unfamiliar with or a little incredulous at the use of these
Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Put that back to 43%:
Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from
Also, anyone notice that XOM/Chevron are down 10% YTD?
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
To backtrack from a post 3 months ago. The Rabi frequencies.
We did not know what to make of it, back then, except that there was a
possible fit to one LENR experiment. The Rabi frequency (paraphrased from
two sources) is the frequency of oscillation for a given atomic transition
in a photonic
Dave, I am saying if you carefully measured her final speed while
considering losses due to friction and drag, her final speed would be
slightly greater than could be explained by conservation of angular
momentum alone. This is because she does some work in order to bring her
arms inwards. In
How much of their valuation is in the ground reserves?
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Also, anyone notice that XOM/Chevron are down 10% YTD?
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
Increasing the
Focault's pendulum could be used to extract energy from the rotation of the
earth.
harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.netwrote:
You're undoubtedly right. It makes me wonder if these simple newtonian
problems from dynamics 101 can be so
mind blowing,
...and the rotational speed of the earth will descrease as a consequence.
harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 3:06 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Focault's pendulum could be used to extract energy from the rotation of
the earth.
harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns
A lot of their valuation is also the tribal knowledge, infrastructure,
relationships, brand, and good will.If LENR really takes off quickly,
much of that will quickly go to zero.
It's also not hard to imagine Saudia Arabia and others panic dumping onto
the market in order to get out while the
I'm not sure where I stored Jed's book on my computer but I presume he
analyzed the critical point in EROEI where it no longer makes sense to use
various grades of the in-the-ground reserves even as chemical feedstocks.
As long as a given grade of reserve remains valuable as chemical
feedstock,
Jones--Bob Cook here--
Your message rings true to me. Here are some additional comments and
thoughts/conjectures.
I first did NMR experiments in my senior year, 1961, at Ed's alma mater,
and we were ever increasing the magnetic field to get better signals and
absorption of RF input. GE
Jones--Bob Cook here--
Good work..
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Spin this ...
To backtrack from a post 3 months ago. The Rabi frequencies.
We did not know what to
Blaze--
I would not touch big oil with a 10 foot pole.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Blaze Spinnaker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Also, anyone notice that
just to complete your interpretation of what is crack, bumps, ...
It creates topological discontinuities...
It can also create fractal dimensions... QM in non 3D lattice are
exhibiting funny results... 2D, 1D, and 0D are already used for laser, for
superconduction, and many things I don't
I wrote:
I feel I'm getting a little more entertainment out of the explanation about
the use of the jerk vector to obtain energy from the unbalanced wheel than
I should.
No double entendre intended. The scheme just sounds so wishful and
fanciful that it's hard not to be a little amused by
Axil, you need to include the influence of the outside forces that are required
to force the Xenon into the coherent direction. This does not happen without
assistance.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb
Lou--
Bob Cook here-
Do you know if the Bose thermal bath that the second referenced report talks
about is the same thing as a Bose -Einstein Condensate (BEC)?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 11:16 AM
You said
Any forces which operate between the collection of objects taken as a
system are not able to convert angular momentum into linear momentum or
vice versa.
One gas with linear momentum can affect the angular momentum of another
gas to cool that gas.
This is how helium is liquefied. Yes,
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
It's also not hard to imagine Saudia Arabia and others panic dumping onto
the market in order to get out while the getting is good, thus driving the
price of oil down quickly.
An economist told me that is sure to happen with cold fusion. Even
Nigel and Hoyt--Bob here--
I would say the trade winds are a good example of the extraction of energy from
the rotation of the Earth. Heat certainly is generated and Man has used these
winds to cross the oceans for years.
Nigel, what is the external body in the case of trade winds that is
Oh, now I get the point.
You can't build a mechanism which extracts more energy from the rotation of
the earth then you put into the mechanism.
On the other hand, if the goal is to lengthen the day rather than generate
useful energy, then
such a mechanism would be considered useful.
:- /
harry
Harry, I believe I understand what you are saying. The girl pulls her arms in
rapidly, but the movement is along a single line to her side which does not
generate a torque as far as I am aware. If no torque is produced, then there
can be no change in angular momentum.
She does produce energy
The momentum borrowed by the pendulum will be returned once the pendulum comes
to rest. At that time, the earth will spin faster as required to keep the
total angular momentum constant.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
Solar heating sets up a set of convection cells - very simplisticly ;
air rises at the equator, falls at approx 30 N rises at 60 and falls at
the poles. Without coriolis these would just go north-south. With
corriolis they end up with a substantial Westerly component; see
I do not think that this type of conversion is possible without outside
influence. The total angular momentum of the system is conserved. The same is
true for the linear momentum. Show how your proposed cooling works and I
strongly suspect that some outside coupling is required.
If it were
You need to be thinking of momentum instead of energy Harry. The two are not
interchangeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Oh, now I get the
Quite right...I was wrong ...although now we have some excess heat ;-)
I brought the figure skater into the discussion to explore the relationship
between internal energy and rotational motion.
Exploration permits discovery. This is as true in conceptual world as it is
in the material world.
The
The initial momentum of the pendulum does not have to come from the
rotation of the earth.
It could come from some chemical energy such as a muscle or a bomb.
Harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
You need to be thinking of momentum instead of energy
How about coal? BTU is down 15% YTD and Arch COal is down 12% YTD
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
It's also not hard to imagine Saudia Arabia and others panic dumping onto
the market in order to get
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
You need to be thinking of momentum instead of energy Harry. The two are
not interchangeable.
Dave
Let's explore this separation between energy and momentum.
harry
Blaze--Bob here--
I would not touch coal with a 20 foot pole.
What about natural gas--does it have any future?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Blaze Spinnaker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
How about coal? BTU is down 15% YTD and Arch COal is down 12% YTD
Coal is being clobbered by natural gas and wind. Coal is only used for
electric power generation and in steel production.
- Jed
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
How about coal? BTU is down 15% YTD and Arch COal is down 12% YTD
It seems to me that it is too early for there to be any price movements in
connection with cold fusion. If we're early adopters of sorts, I'm
The Gilman machine appears aligned North and South.
The building it is housed in is parallel to 600 East Rd.
Why is it too early? I think the smart money (a very large chunk of the
money) gets out before word gets around.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
How about coal? BTU is
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Why is it too early?
It is too early because practically no one believes cold fusion is real,
despite all those papers downloaded from LENR-CANR.org. The people who
attended ICCF18 and the people in North Carolina are about the only ones in
the
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
I first did NMR experiments in my senior year, 1961, at Ed's alma mater...
With that kind of NMR experience, Bob, perhaps you can help me out with
this. We could be on the door steps of locating a missing piece of the
puzzle connecting LENR to NMR.
Jones--Bob Cook here--
I am not real up on what happens at the Curie point. Axil had some comments
on that issue.
It will take a little time to digest what you say below. However, I agree
with your last sentence. The complexity includes the coupling with spin of
all the particles in the
The other machine built here in my city seems to be not aligned
North/South.
http://goo.gl/maps/UOXzY
Mark Jordan
On 09-Feb-14 20:55, Brad Lowe wrote:
The Gilman machine appears aligned North and South.
The building it is housed in is parallel to 600 East Rd.
Strange as it may seem, any activation force or torque is going to result in a
reaction that keeps the total momentum in balance. When a bullet is fired from
a gun momentum is conserved since the gun is driven backwards with an amount of
momentum equal to that carried away by the bullet. The
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
if an extremely wealthy person such as Bill Gates believed that cold
fusion is real, he would be crazy no to invest in it.
Assuming he was not doing it for philanthropic purposes, wouldn't he be
crazy to let anyone know
OK. Energy is proportional to velocity squared. If you double the velocity,
you have four times as much energy as in the first case. Also the direction of
the motion is not important. For example, a ball moving to the right has a
certain amount of energy and a second one moving to the left
That is what they want you to believe. :-)
It would be very advantageous to know when they will start to discount LENR. I
would think that it is too early at this stage.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Thinking further along these lines:
The Israelis are up there with the Italians in tolerance of cold fusion
research among their ranks. Moreover, they are _very_ adept at covert
activity -- particularly relating to geopolitics regarding the middle east
such as oil.
What I would look for as an
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0611167.pdf
I draw your attention, in particular to the equation:
*p* = µ*v* + q*A*
This is old and accepted physics. However, the q*A* term is addition to
Newton's 2nd law, is it not?
Moreover, it appears to be dynamic. A number of changing physical
quantities
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
if an extremely wealthy person such as Bill Gates believed that cold
fusion is real, he would be crazy no to invest in it.
Assuming he was not doing it for philanthropic purposes, wouldn't he be
crazy to let anyone know he was investing in it?
I
If cold fusion is real, you can be assured that the smart money knows a lot
more about it than you do.These people get paid millions of dollars a
year to be on top of things like this.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Blaze Spinnaker
This line of inquiry might lead to something important. The large field that
DGT reported was varying with time if I recall correctly and that behavior can
definitely by described as a spectrum of signals. The low frequency RF that
you are considering can penetrate into the nickel surface a
Yes, but those laws do not prohibit the Earth's rotation from being slowed
(or quickened) by means located only on the Earth. (e.g. on a smaller scale
a satellite's spin can be slowed by using the built in control thrusters.)
Those laws only say it is impossible to generate useful energy from the
Bob,
No the bath is not a condensate. It can be disordered - quoting the paper:
With help of the spin-echo phenomenon it is possible to extract work
from a disordered ensemble of spins having random frequencies. This
ensemble can even be strongly disordered in the sense that the
Please take me off your list
As you say, the rotation rate of the Earth can be modified by devices located
on the earth. The issue is that whatever you use to modify that rotation must
not change the overall angular momentum of the system which includes the Earth
and that device. For example the bullet fired by the gun
So if you could extract useful energy from the earth's rotation it would
mean it is possible to violate the conservation of angular momentum.
Harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
As you say, the rotation rate of the Earth can be modified by devices
I bet the Israelis could pull it off without word getting out.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
if an extremely wealthy person such as Bill Gates believed that cold
fusion is real, he would be crazy no to
From: David Roberson
How would we determine that a low frequency resonance actually exists in
this case?
Hmm
. You want simple, right? Do you have a good DSO? One would probably see
something with hydrogen loaded wire but the challenge would be the length.
100 meters or so would be
So if you could extract useful energy from the earth's rotation it would mean
it is possible to violate the conservation of angular momentum.
Harry, are you trying to set a sneaky word trap? Closed system is the key
phrase here. You can borrow angular momentum from one portion of the closed
I would suppose that the resonance would only be seen if a very large magnetic
field were applied to the active material. If LENR activity is being observed
along with a large external field then the spectrum of that field would likely
demonstrate a peak around the resonant region. I am
regarding
MIT Cold Fusion IAP 2014 Friday January 31, 2014 (Full Lecture)
A lot of time was spent looking for a two level receiver that can split up
a gamma photon into many low energy photons.
A electron photon pair was not considered for some reason. I see the NAE as
a EMF Cuisinart that
more
Heating of the hydrogen envelope of the NiH reactor is do to the
absorption of the XUV (soft X rays and extreme ultraviolet) radiation is
mostly driven by photoionization and the generation of photoelectrons.
Photoelectrons excite, ionize, and dissociate atoms and molecules until
they
Jones--Bob Cook here--
I know the Zeeman effect and studied it way back when. The Stark effect I
am not familiar with, however it sounds like it splits an energy state of
the quantum system to introduce different resonance frequencies as
influenced by the local electric field. It may also
My current clue to the detail underpinning of LENR and its relationship to
spin is the Fractional Quantum Hall Effect.
In a nutshell, a magnetic field can shield the coulomb barrier. How the
magnetic field does it is by creating vortex quasi particles that chase
the fermion around (aka compound
I am not sure what we are arguing about here.
Harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 9:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
So if you could extract useful energy from the earth's rotation it would
mean it is possible to violate the conservation of angular momentum.
Harry, are you trying
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