Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Kevin, Storm's theory is partly right, but mostly lacking - and he has had little new to add this century... as is that of Chubb (partly right) and others including Takahashi, but they are mostly incomplete and let's face it - the field is dying. Your balloon analogy is helpful as well but

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Yes it can. When 2 d's fuse and emit a gamma ray, that energy is absorbed by the lattice. Such energy absorption sometimes generates fission products.I do not know the nuclear equation, but it would be gamma + Ni ---> decay products + heat On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
As discussed previously: Similarly, with billions of H >>> atoms trapped in Palladium lattices, when 2 of them fuse, the emitted >>> energy gets absorbed by the lattice. That's how we end up with >>> transmutations. On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > The

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The intractable problem in cold fusion is that this "hero effort" - the > very best result to have occurred in 28 years was itself little more than a > yawner. People tend to forget that this result (almost 300 MJ of gain) was > statistically very close to

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2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Harvey Norris wrote: Just made it to the bottom of the list. Most Viewed Writers in Time Dilation - Quora Good work Harvey. I was looking to see if Fran Roarty made this list with his

RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Degeneracy is a major factor in all the LENR reactions, since it reduces the allowable space for all charged particles of a coherent system such as a crystal lattice commonly found in LENR phenomena. The odds of 2 or more particles in the same general location such that their electric charge

RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Jones— You are too cynical IMHO. LENR is a tough engineering problem. LENR+ is much tougher. The Nautilus did not break ice at the North Pole on a shoestring budget . The modern Navy has had a long time to work on LENR+ with more than a shoestring budget. Chubb was part of the Navy for a

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
In this old thread, we discussed BECs with Edmund Storms. He unsubscribed from Vortex soon after this interaction, hopefully I wasn't the one who drove him off. Anyways, at the time I did not have access to Chubb's theory but now Jed has uploaded his Ion Band State Theory (IBST) paper onto

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
In particular, this paragraph seems to support my Balloon analogy for absorbing most of the high energy emissions into the lattice. "...as in the Mossbauer effect, through a real effect, implicit in the symmetry associated with rigid lattice translations that preserve periodic order, it is

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
The problem with this fusion idea is that it does not explain the subset of LENR experiments that show fission is occurring. Can this theory explain fission in LENR? I don't think so. On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > In particular, this paragraph

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
Gamma radiation does appear when a BEC is not formed between the SPPs involved in a LENR reaction. Yes, the LENR reaction can produce gamma radiation when the SPPs are not pumped to a level sufficient to establish a Polariton BEC. This is why a cold LENR reaction will produce Gamma radiation and a

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread H LV
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > > The intractable problem in cold fusion is that this "hero effort" - the >> very best result to have occurred in 28 years was itself little more than a >> yawner. People tend

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
MORE... In this Focardi experiment, when gamma radiation was generated, excess was not generated. This leads to the observation that the Polariton BEC is the mechanism that transforms the nuclear energy

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:54:29 -0700: Hi, [snip] > Axil Axil wrote: > >> In this Focardi >> >> experiment, >> when gamma radiation was generated, excess was not

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Axil Axil wrote: In this Focardi experiment, when gamma radiation was generated, excess was not generated. This paper is curious and I had not seen it - but essentially it seems to be of passing

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Harry, You seem to be suggesting that the experiments in France could be operating by (inadvertently) storing applied energy in nuclei for later release - at least as an alternate explanation for the two runs which showed gain after months of what looks very much like a battery being charged.

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:52:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The LENR reaction energy is stored on the surface of nanoparticles in the >form of surface plasmon polariton entangled aggregation in a polariton BEC. >These energized nanoparticles can be found in the LENR reaction

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Kevin O'Malley's message of Mon, 5 Jun 2017 02:01:26 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Yes it can. When 2 d's fuse and emit a gamma ray, that energy is absorbed >by the lattice. Such energy absorption sometimes generates fission >products.I do not know the nuclear equation, but it would be

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
The LENR reaction energy is stored on the surface of nanoparticles in the form of surface plasmon polariton entangled aggregation in a polariton BEC. These energized nanoparticles can be found in the LENR reaction ash as detected, deminstated, and characterized by Keith Fredericks. Their energy

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
The so called Erosion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell operation, water on the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started losing its

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
more... As illustrated in the post above, one of the peculiarities of muon interaction with matter is that muon will induce both fusion in light elements and fission when muons are absorbed in heavy elements. The LENR reaction is very complex and confusing because it produces many secondary

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread H LV
Yes, but how to square this with the fact that the input energy balanced the output energy during the prep time. Could the combined margin error in both the input and output measurements allow for the storage of enough energy during the prep time? harry On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread H LV
Ok, the numbers in this paper rule out the possibility of energy storage during the experiment. . However, as I recall there is a story floating around that a certain batch of Pd from the supplier seemed to work best. If that is true then the energy storage might have happened prior to the

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
More on gamma from LENR http://coldfusion3.com/blog/smoking-gun-of-lenr-fleischmann-project-results-duplicated-in-one-day-celani-cell-verified-as-lenr-device On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > In an experimental series performed by Piantelli, he observed

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
More on gamma from LENR from Ed Storms https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ba21/eab904a52374a7fd9a10a498bcff62f82552.pdf On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > More on gamma from LENR > > http://coldfusion3.com/blog/smoking-gun-of-lenr- >

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Hi Robin, Yes but your Geiger counter is covering a wide spectrum, and the 1000 counts are mostly at the low end... whereas the Focardi peak was fairly sharp at 1.5 MeV if memory serves. That is an anomaly for sure, but a tiny one. However, maybe the Aussies are getting more rads than the

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
In an experimental series performed by Piantelli, he observed the production of either heat or gamma radiation but not both at the same time, if memory serves. >From the demo of the first one liter Rossi reactor during the time at startup when the lattice was cold, a massive radiation burst

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
To be realistic, if the output heat was consistently showing up as say 85% of input electrical power, then naturally the experimenter must "recalibrate" to show it as roughly even... After all, the accepted assumption is that input energy can't disappear or be stored, right? H LV wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Jed Rothwell wrote For experiment 4, the excess heat lasted 70 days. The total experiment duration was 123 days. If there was a storage phase, it lasted 53 days. This would show up as an endothermic reaction, which would reduce power output by much more than the exothermic reaction that

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:24:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Hi Robin, > >Yes but your Geiger counter is covering a wide spectrum, and the 1000 >counts are mostly at the low end... whereas the Focardi peak was fairly >sharp at 1.5 MeV if memory serves. > >That is an anomaly

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Brian Ahern
Good discussion Bob. I have had a decade long experience with electron orbital degeneracy. It may come as a small surprise to the LENR community that all phase changes involve near approaches (in energy) of the LUMO and HOMO. This includes magnetic transitions. The transitions need not be

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Please review the numbers in the paper, which is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf For experiment 4, the excess heat lasted 70 days. The total experiment duration was 123 days. If there was a storage phase, it lasted 53 days. This would show up as an endothermic

FW: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-05 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 10:45 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room