Time to once again consider the future of this list and maybe also
that of Wikipedia-L (as David suggested back in December)?
I think I'm right in saying that apart from this list being used for
some discussion of block appeals, nothing was posted here for all of
June and July?
about disabling new posts, or forwarding new posts to Wikimedia-l,
making a referral to Wikimedia-l in the info, and leaving the archives open.
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If the moderators of this mailing list are around
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https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Actually, looking at the list of moderators, how many of them are still around?
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Of course Carcharoth. Cany promise anything but happy to try!
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suitably licensed photos on Flickr (or elsewhere) for an article I
worked
any images used
would be taken at the events themselves.
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Has the font used to display the title of Wikipedia pages changed? I
noticed things looked different today and have just worked out what
the change is. Is there a discussion about this anywhere, or more
information?
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Has the font used to display the title of Wikipedia pages changed? I
noticed things looked different today and have just worked out what
the change is. Is there a discussion about this anywhere, or more
information?
Ah, OK:
http
Is anyone able to track down the history of the sidebar?
I noticed 'Wikimedia Shop' appeared there (recently?), and I can only find:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
How do I get from that to the actual pages where changes are being made?
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Ah, I think I found it:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikimediaShopLink
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Is anyone able to track down the history of the sidebar?
I noticed 'Wikimedia Shop' appeared there (recently?), and I can only find:
https
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OK, I'll stop there...
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Ah, I think I found it:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikimediaShopLink
On 2/25/14, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is anyone able to track down the history of the sidebar?
I noticed
-wiki way is the better way, and the
categorisation system needs to adapt to intersection possibilities.
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Category_intersection
That's an old proposal, but is it becoming more feasible now?
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/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_24#Category:American_women_novelists
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Wikipedia's overwhelmingly male user-editors began the bizarre forced
gender migration on Tuesday
The New York Times::
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/opinion/sunday
-ups, exacerbated by the nature of online
communications (the lack of body language to and verbal tone) and the
lack of empathy for others that some who are drawn to Wikipedia
exhibit.
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On 4/16/13, Kathleen McCook klmcc...@gmail.com wrote:
Right--and this would make all the difference. I
If you want anecdotal evidence, I would say that someone's first
encounter with AfD can set them firmly in one place on the spectrum,
but that most people who stick around see their views evolve as they
come to understand sources and the range of articles topics and
various problems better.
in a way. And why would you think that
inclusionism/deletionism debates are intractable? I thought the idea
that such terms should be avoided (as they are divisive) was taking
hold and gaining ground?
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, if they want, easily
drill down to the more detailed levels where more pictures are used
(even if those levels are on other sites).
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Destination film series - if you've not
seen them, best avoided really).
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On 2/12/13, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote:
I would look up my obituary on the [[Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians]] page
and see what was listed as my place of death. Then, I would make sure
never to go
state or not, and would you have time to check the sources?
Seeing as it is the sources you need to read to verify what you are
reading... (no-one takes on blind trust what they read on Wikipedia
without checking the sources, do they now??).
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PS. You might find that the page(s) you chose
that are poorly maintained and look
increasingly out of date as time goes by.
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then sometimes only briefly. Some stuff is just waiting for
historians to write about it, or not as the case may be. Some stuff
from 150 years ago has been written about 20 years ago, but may not be
returned to by future historians for another 100 years, if at all.
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have to inspect each
individual case. It *is* important that contemporary coverage exists
as a check and balance to past coverage, but past coverage can provide
historical context in other articles, even if it ultimately is
insufficient to support a stand-alone article.
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a thread on which mailing lists people
use? Or on the new namespaces that I only just noticed a few months
ago? (That would at least be about en-Wikipedia).
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this list who is active at WP:ITN? If so, I'd be grateful if you could
e-mail me off-list. Thanks.
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-confrontational as
possible, but is there a way to (politely) point out that mailing list
etiquette would suggest a different approach? i.e. constructive
criticism of the form can we keep most of this in one or two
threads?
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and correct this misunderstanding, or is it
near-impossible to get the distinction across to journalists?
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The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
the background to this:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html
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The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
the background to this:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html
PS. Here also:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget
. Having said that, the
British Library food is good, so I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to
compare that to the Mozilla food... :-) But sadly I'll not be around
in London that weekend.
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PS. I thought there was talk at some point of WM-UK providing space
directly for editathons, did
On 7/30/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2012 14:49, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
PPS. It strikes me that what I said here is better said on the
wikimediauk-l mailing list. Is it possible to subscribe to that
without having joined WM-UK?
Yeah, it's just
/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_27
And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality/Archive_1
But that is around 2005. Not looked earlier than that yet.
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animals as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Olav
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It does seem appropriate that this milestone was reached during
Wikimania. Does anyone have a listing of when the other million
milestones were reached?
There is also a discussion here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#4.2C000.2C000th_article
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On 7/13/12, Tanvir Rahman
if there are
places on the German Wikipedia to draw attention to that sort of
thing?
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works).
Would something like that have any chance of being useful?
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others about.
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noticeboard and similar
overcentralised mechanisms won't work.
Patience also helps, not every expert will be here every month.
Good point. Patience *is* a virtue. :-)
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. This series catalogues each of
these beautiful and influential books, carefully describing and
illustrating them.
That sounds reliable.
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On 7/3/12, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
As long as the query is relevant to the Wiiproject I don't see a problem in
asking more than
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On 7/2/12, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote:
I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I
suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point
ground? I
know people assume that Wikipedia is the place for everything, but if
people are going to get out of that mindset, you need to tell them
they were in the wrong place, and not just move stuff for them.
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to work together in synergy, exchanging material
as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core
activities.
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on Duolingo is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duolingo
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that?
What I did wonder was whether the gaming approach reflects how
things work on Wikipedia:
Points are offered for each translation attempted; completing a round
earns the user a shiny gold medal; and learners can follow each other,
adding a competitive edge.
Sound rather familiar...
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are only
needed when you have deletions or undeletions taking place, and that
isn't always the case (though I realise you were referring to that in
your example).
Not that the public at large really get the distinction, though.
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removal of entire articles and restricting Wikipedia to a relatively
narrow set of articles. Removal of content within articles is a
completely different ballgame.
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That was limited to pages less than 30, though, after some objections
were raised. Possibly admins or others can see pages that have less
than 30 watchers. Can't remember.
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view is that if such experiments are to be carried
out, it would be better if they were designed and conducted by those
able to restrain themselves from such snark.
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Insert me after telling below...
On 5/22/12, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 5/22/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Brian McNeil's productive work in Edinburgh. I particularly like the
idea of recruiting newbies at libraries - with all those lovely old
printed
is more one of
quality, and your analysis is oversimplistic? I submit that
well-formatted and well-chosen external links tend to stick, while
drive-by additions (or removals) don't. Which is not entirely
surprising.
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PS. We have gone way off-topic
On 4/11/12, Dr Jacob F. de Wolff jfdwo...@doctors.org.uk wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
What I'm thinking in particular
is that some FACs would benefit from what is essentially an *external*
peer review process (as opposed to the internal peer review and other
review processes). i.e. Actively
requirements? Straw polls
should either follow discussion, or link to discussion/pages on the
topic.
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pending changes? Most likely rejected due to being mis-spelt and no
source provided, but where is the line drawn?
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listen to the
radio. The question is, should I make myself aware of what is being
said in those media before editing such articles or their talk pages,
or not? If there is a need to follow 'responses' in other media, that
is not sustainable either.
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. I'm
surprised no survey has actually been done along those lines yet.
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in this model of reviewing,
but I'd be interested to see reactions to this.
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It would be simple to incorporate something like that into a SNG
(specific notability guideline), but I doubt that will be possible in
the current climate.
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Charles Matthews
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On 4 April 2012 15:10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
We *should* have a category of BLP stubs, but I can't find it. Maybe
someone can cross-reference the BLP category and the people stub
, and it always has been.
I wonder, how much of the early editing (first 2-3 years), was on news
topics? How much was on historical topics? ANd has that changed over
time?
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stubs.
That is the entire BLP problem in a nutshell. If the sources aren't
there, the articles are placeholders that will only be short and
stubby until someone out there writes more about that person, and if
that never happens, then is it ultimately worth maintaining such
articles?
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to be written by others (and then
summarised and incorporated into the Wikipedia article).
There are other examples, but I'll leave those for another time.
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' what is there. I'd be in favour of locking down BLPs
once they reach a certain stage of development and requiring a very
high standard of sourcing for new additions.
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Wikipedia seems to be down...
http://wikistatus.ezyang.com/
Anyone know what's happening?
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the first to do so. Wikipedia
shouldn't be in the business of attempting to write biographies of a
new type (aggregating existing sources) where nothing similar has been
done before.
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in general) should require published biographies during the person's
lifetime and/or obituaries after death. Would anyone on this mailing
list be willing to bounce ideas around about that? The sticking point
is what constitutes a 'published biography'?
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their website.
That was from User:DracoEssentialis (12:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)).
I'm also going to post what I proposed at that AfD, but I'll do that
in another thread.
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:48 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 March 2012 14:04, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm posting here an argument I made in a recent AfD, explaining why I
think more stringent notability requirements are needed for
biographical articles
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 March 2012 14:04, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
It has been said before, but that is why specialist biographical
dictionaries often have as one of their inclusion criteria that
someone has to be dead
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
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For Leon Mestel, the qualifying sources would be his entry in Who's
Who and in Debrett's People of Today. Those are UK-specific sources.
What would
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
What I would say is that Wikipedia biographies should have at least one
source that
I knew I should have finished the draft before posting it... That
sentence was meant to say something like should have at least
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:25 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Who's Who might say this guy is notable, but the actual content is
completely
that knew them.
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that some tagged pages only get dealt
with when they become topical.
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gets there first,
but was wondering where very old merge proposals are listed. Is there
a tracking category somewhere that they are put in?
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will add tagged articles to Category:Articles to be
merged, while non-articles (files, templates, etc.) will be added to
Category:Items to be merged.
Doh! Thanks anyway.
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http://savageminds.org/2012/01/19/wikipedia-encyclopedias/
Probably not the first and not the last. I don't find it that surprising.
What he says there is excellent, though. Well worth reading.
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on Wikipedia or the process for the encyclopedia you are
writing for? In my view, that process you describe is how writing on
Wikipedia *should* work. Whether it does in practice or not is another
matter.
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more it is used.
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if not editable),
could someone list them here?
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this, or post before I do, please do.
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to just article namespace (which is
what would be needed to allow other stuff to carry on as normal). I
don't think it would ever really happen.
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facts?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16601517
All BBC News, 18 January 2012.
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Also this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/17/wikipedia-blackout
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is to show the
Wikipedia file if there is a file of the same name both here and on on
Commons.
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Thanks! All looks great now.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
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Is anyone able to deal with this image? (Or ask someone else or repost
this someone suitable?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
Thought some here might be interested in this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16443825
It's about the history of managing knowledge and information.
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as an overview of World War I.
Ultimately, such top-level articles don't need to be perfect. As long
as they are reasonably good and reasonably accurate, it is the
subsidiary articles with the details that are more important, and
Wikipedia is better at producing those sort of articles anyway.
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library membership should be able to access the
ILN archives. At least the one I have through Westminster Libraries
recently added a link to the ILN archives.
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May be of interest:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15924466
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
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be free. I can still access
this for free, but only by going there. I wonder if libraries around
the country will be able to access this for free and provide online
access for their members? Still doesn't help those outside the UK.
Carcharoth
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that
are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links
(understandably) meet
great resistance from those that have built and maintain such
templates (a natural reaction if people see months or years of work
being made less visible, being a click away rather than directly
visible).
Carcharoth
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