Geez, if only I was so lucky to get such an easy project... this is
project from heaven compared to most of what comes my way
Geoff
Mike Kear said the following on 7/04/2009 2:42 AM:
You might be amused to learn about the site I was given to rebuild
this week. It was built by a
to discuss usability issues with standards
based developers on this list, but maybe that is a topic for another
list or forum.
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kvnmcwebn wrote:
hello,
i just went to a lot of trouble style a form, fieldsets, legends and
all.
The visual studio programmer whos taking over the next phase says it
will be coverted into tables.
we can't control database content all we can do is contain it
that was his argument. why
implementation, but your design may degrade gracefully on older
browsers. The content should still be accessible.
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Kat wrote:
Gday,
I find this list filled with dynamic, inspirational people. I come
away being motivated and energised. I love youse guys. :)
Today, I came across AIMIA (Australian Interactive Media Industry
Association - http://www.aimia.com.au/) that are having their 12th
Annual AIMIA
to be a fundamental overhaul of the approach and system,
you are basically told to STFU by everyone, not because of lack of
credibility of your argument, but because it is stepping on too many toes.
There is more than simple reasoning at play here.
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Lea de Groot wrote:
On 27/02/2006, at 4:08 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the people who implemented those
bohemoths can't always separate standards advice from personal
vilification - no matter how polite, rational, independently
verfiable...
I think its important
Hi,
Can any one point me to a good example of how to do a css header with a
background image 100% wide, while having two distinct images on the far
left and right and they behave in a liquid manner as the browser window
is resized, so that both images maintain being far left and far right.
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Do you mean like this?
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid-background/
Russ
I wish it was that simple.
I need something like
#headerbanner {
color: ;
background: #1C3959 url(/images/banner.jpg) repeat-x top;
display: block;
height:
Charles Eaton wrote:
On Feb 22, 2006, at 4:50 AM, Geoff Deering wrote:
I wish it was that simple.
I need something like
How's this:
http://www.eatons.net/test2/test3/index.html
Note: Float in your setup worked against the nature order of how
computers read code, top down - left
Tom Livingston wrote:
On 2/22/06 5:04 AM, Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can any one point me to a good example of how to do a css header with a
background image 100% wide, while having two distinct images on the far
left and right and they behave in a liquid manner as the browser
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the presentation
structure. (IMHO)
I'd prefer to see a direct jump into the xml world (which would drag the
soupsayers into the standards world). Maybe it's time for a better
semantic language.
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Peter Levan wrote:
Is there a good reference site that lists correct MIME types for
various file formats? or is there a general rule to follow for
non-standard file types?
Specifically I'd like to know what MIME type should be used for SPSS
portable (.por) files and in the past I've seen
Romeo-Adrian Cioaba wrote:
try joomla.org http://joomla.org. Joomla is the best open source CMS
in the web. i'm working with it for over 1 year and all my clients
were happy with it :)
Does it handle standards based templates okay now? It used to insert
it's own code in the Mambo days.
russ - maxdesign wrote:
I don't know about anyone else but I often use angry mobs to control my web
pages - though it is hard to get them to exhibit blind hate.
:)
Russ
Could I please request a tutorial on this method please Russ...
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Lea de Groot wrote:
On 10/12/2005, at 1:53 PM, Brian Cummiskey wrote:
I wonder how many visits google gets in a day...
Probably in the billions - plenty of people have it as their homepage.
Of course, there'd be a lot of caching happening...
Lea
have a position of authority. The only way to
do it (so far) is to lead by example, and when there is enough evidence
of good standards design implementation, then these large organisations
may be willing to adapt best of practices.
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cut down version of TopStyle Pro
(http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/tslite/)
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to work with them on that.
So I think there's the opportunity to work with and provide feedback to
bring these products up to a standard where we can maybe*enjoy* good web
content management tools.
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://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/benefits/
http://www.webstandards.org/learn/reference/web_standards_for_business.html
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live in the countryside, no broadband, it's a good reminder just how
frustrating some sites can be to use on dialup, a frustration rarely
experienced with sites properly implementing standards.
Geoff Deering
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Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering
Okay, so if this was implemented in user agents, what would be your
educated estimate of percentage of users who would configure this and
therefore avoid this problem of interpreting the incorrect
state of form
controls?
I'd estimate
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering
I'd estimate it to be roughly the same as the percentage of
users that have reconfigured their OS to use different
default colours which would make them get confused by
*judiciously* styled form controls.
And what percentage
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering
Secondly, by this recommendation you are actually addressing the flip
side of the problem I am trying to address.
The case you are addressing here is
1) A recommendation of how to deal with styles that may
conflict with a
form element
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
No, I don't feel we are. This recommendation does not address the
problems raised by this specific issue, according to my understanding.
So I would very much appreciate if you could explain in thorough
technical detail and functionality how
knowledge that is here, but it would be a challenge just to structure it.
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The problem is that web designers are now implementing designs that
convey meaning to form controls, that they are not intending
to imply in their design,
Which, again, is a sign of a bad designer, and a problem that should be solved
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
How do you know what device configuration is receiving your design?
Because if you do not, and cannot be absolutely sure your design is
not clashing with this principle, you cannot *ensure* you have
succeeded.
But that is true of pretty much
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
With all due respects this is the way default graphical user interface
on operating systems are designed to function.
From page 158 of The Windows Interface Guidelines for Software Design;
But we're talking about
Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
This also leads to another problem, in that if users configure their
operating system to a custom scheme, unwittingly the web designer may be
indicating to the user that a field may be read only even if it is not
grey. How does the designer
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
So I cannot see how your argument applies, to me, it doesn't stand
up. A designer should not implement a design element where their
design falsely indicates to the user that the form control is in
another state than it is actually
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
You find these types of web environments mostly on intranets. For a
lot of people in large organisations, these are primary interfaces
they have to work with. To neglect to address this issue correctly
could easily impact the integrity of data
of communication of the true
state of the interface, the designer has failed to provide the correct
interface.
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their design, and I am seeing this spreading at a rapid rate, and before
to long, this will degrade the user experience because of purely visual
design degrading the inherent meaning of a standard interface between
user and form element state.
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them but not today could
be useful to someone.
Cheers,
Rebecca
Yes, that's it, in the given context, it has implicit meaning, given the
data set it is being applied too.
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data set, as can be the case, then I think that is a
better option.
But it comes to money, try convincing the web manager, the Ex Director
of It and all the rest of them... Good luck.
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holders are not good usability, because the forms
themselves should be designed well enough to represent the data sets
required. I think it can add to all sorts of cognitive problems in
complex screens.
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Jonathan O'Donnell wrote:
Leaving it there can be a problem. I have seen a demonstration (at a
Melbourne WSG meeting, no less) where the agent placed the cursor at
the end of the place-holding text without reading it. There is a real
danger that the user will enter text without knowing
there is a lot of read only data, then they will be confused by this
because this type of design breaks the standard by which GUI's
function. If this type of design continues, it will only confuse users
more.
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It is a much better practice to group all these fields together. Not
only is it better accessibility practice, I feel it offers better
usability by design.
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Derek Featherstone wrote:
On 11/14/05, Geoff Deering wrote:
Why can't the braille software detect an empty form element and inform
the user it requires data? Is this an authoring tool problem or a
problem with the way standards are prescribed?
Agreed, Geoff. We really do need
Bert Doorn wrote:
Geoff, I know exactly what you mean with the greyed out fields. Came
across it myself only yesterday - a form where all inputs had a grey
background. It wasn't until I clicked in one of them that I realised
the field was not disabled.
Yes, someone please, who writes for
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
*Another* thing I see that is happening in design a lot lately is
that input fields are in greyed background by design, not function.
What this is telling the user is that that field is *read only*.
That is the standard way operating systems
Derek Featherstone wrote:
Agreed. Putting them after *visually* and leaving them before in source
order, and as part of the label can be really useful - its semantically
meaningful, can be emphasized (using label em /em/label) as
shown in the second example on that page is useful. You
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
I think it is quite simple, don't use any scale of grey at all. Grey
is reserved for meaning *read only*.
With all due respect, that sounds a tad too draconian for my
tastes...and it's exactly the kind of talk that will make web
*designers
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
This makes kind of good argument for *not* styling form inputs at all,
and leave it to the OS. On most of my OS X browsers, disabled form
fields are not really greyed out, but rather use opacity reduction to
indicate read-only.
Philippe
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I agree with this
Terrence Wood wrote:
Philippe Wittenbergh said:
This makes kind of good argument for *not* styling form inputs at all,
and leave it to the OS. On most of my OS X browsers, disabled form
fields are not really greyed out, but rather use opacity reduction to
indicate read-only.
A quick
Graham Cook wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
Mandatory data fields, Required data, fields that require correct data
after validation should all be grouped together with a
*fieldsetlegend*. This informs all users of the requirements of that
data. Leave fields that do not meet this criteria outside
as possible, because most users are just not
interested in this level of site QA, unless it is an important component
of the job.
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Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
Hi Hope,
There is nothing evil about the br element unless one is using it for visual effect. In your
example, you are using br correctly. For addresses, you might want to use the address
element instead of p.
Regards,
-Vlad
http://xstandard.com
I
Lea de Groot wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:51:00 -0700, Janelle Clemens wrote:
If you are using em with font-size is there is a way to clear the font-size
of a box element (stop the inheritance)?
No, not really.
I normally get around this by only setting font-size in two places, as
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
I'm just wondering how people handle the IE text resizing problem,
where IE handles percentages much more accurately than em?
You can safely use ems as long as your highest font size is
something else, like %.
For instance, as long as you have
Stuart Sherwood wrote:
Are any of the validation tools: Bobby, Cynthiasays, Watchfire...more
respected then the others?
Regards,
Stuart.
You can use any of these, and all of them, but you should combine them
with your own knowledge base and common sense. I also use Marc Gueury's
HTML
Stuart Sherwood wrote:
Hi All,
First, I'd just like to check I understand something correctly.
Validation for WAI AAA = WCAG 1.0 Priority 3. Is this correct?
Ok, we can validate for:
* W3C HTML/XHTML
* CSS
* WAI
* Section 508
And I've recently learnt about accessibility checks
John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:
There are in fact checkpoints under all three Priorities which require
brain intervention - they simply cannot be tested mechanically. Try
running a page through something like Cynthia says
(http://www.cynthiasays.com) will quickly show you what needs to be
John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:
There are in fact checkpoints under all three Priorities which require
brain intervention - they simply cannot be tested mechanically. Try
running a page through something like Cynthia says
(http://www.cynthiasays.com) will quickly show you what needs to be
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is stuffed into your brain, you can use something
like Tidy (http://tidy.sourceforge.net/) to do these conversions for
you. Many good web tools have a tidy interface, you just have to make
sure you keep up to date with the most recent version of Tidy.
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Lea de Groot wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:26:22 +1000, Richard Czeiger wrote:
Perhaps there should be two lists - one for discussing
standards/accessibility/best practice and one for how do I fix my
float/site check please.
Having multiple lists also starts lots of flame threads on
Jason Foss wrote:
If I can chip in too - I don't have a problem with newbie posts, nor
more advanced posts. But I don't even open Help Needed type subject
lines. A descriptive subject line is all that's needed; you can
quickly decide if you want to read or get involved in the thread.
My 2c,
Joshua Street wrote:
There's a minor problem with this, though I agree with your core
argument. Newbie posts requesting site reviews can't very easily bear
a descriptive subject line when all they want is advice on
semantics/markup and best practises. There isn't a core problem they
want
Apologies for cross posting, but here's your chance to provide feedback
on the W3C WCAG 2.0
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2005JulSep/.html
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, which isn't a true semantic markup,
it's presentational.
I like Tim Bray's discussion on Descriptive markup as opposed to
Semantic markup.
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/04/09/SemanticMarkup
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Gene Falck wrote:
Tidy is one of the programs I have been thinking
of getting, so I would like to hear about any
bugs and bug fixes.
Regards,
Gene Falck
Tidy has evolved from it's beginning with Dave Raggett. Like many
tools, it's great when you learn how to use it, and to work with
Matt Thommes wrote:
What benefits or problems avoided do you perceive by doing this and
what other characters are you escaping?
Lea, I'm not sure why I always escape the dash - perhaps because I can??? :)
I am assuming the dash will someday cause me problems, so I just
escape it now, to
From memory, this position has come up time and time again over many
years. I don't know if it has ever been filled.
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Had cause to visit the EDS.com web site tonight. I used to work for
them years ago. They had one of those absolutely horrible corporate
sites last time I visited, but shock horror...
http://www.eds.com/site/standards.aspx AMAZING.
Regards
Geoff Deering
Lea de Groot wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2005 06:48:55 +1000, Geoff Deering wrote:
The first is correct, but address should only be used when
referencing the author of a document.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_5.html#SEC5.5.3
It's
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
The first is correct, but address should only be used when
referencing the author of a document.
Arguably, though, if these are the contact details of the company
whose site you're on, then it *is* correct (as they would, in the
wider sense
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
And now I just realised that the original question was not about
accessibility, but about specifications in general (such as the
XHTML/CSS/etc ones). In which case, even more of a reason why the W3C
can't release a spec for Flash: it's not their technology. They can't
encourage them to meet W3C UAAG, so that we can
then use them and incorporate them into our web content with full
confidence that they meet web standards and accessibility guidelines.
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Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering
It's actually the other way around, companies and organisation
developing technologies are encourage to develop them
according to W3C
recommendations.
That still does not detract from the fact that the Flash format
is not a W3C technology
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering
True, but that does mean that the W3C is in a position to release
a spec for the *format*.
I can't see what the point is. The W3C has no control over
Java or many
other technologies that are proprietry or closed, but that
does not stop
them
Mike Foskett wrote:
I completely agree, use Flash.
I'd say the same for video too, for the same reasons.
Why:
One solution multiple platforms.
Saturation on all computers is over 90%. That's more than any browser.
What data is this statistic based on?
Regards
Geoff Deering
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:13:50 -0400, Mike Foskett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stat based on these figures from Macromedia:
I might add that these are merely posted on MM's site. The study was
independent.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/
There
Kay Smoljak wrote:
On 5/18/05, Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) I have never come across a browser, which installed with Macromedia
Flash pre-installed.
IE6 comes with Flash player pre-installed.
All versions, or a specific implementation/installation?
Geoff
Kay Smoljak wrote:
On 5/18/05, Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IE6 comes with Flash player pre-installed.
All versions, or a specific implementation/installation?
I can't say for sure, but my feeling is that it's all versions.
Well, I have installed WinXP (initial
this is hardly ever used, if so, why not?
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Robin Berjon wrote:
The problem IME is that when you use it you have to also provide a way
for the user to pick her language which will override the negotiation
(I've been accessing the Web a lot from computers localized in
Japanese recently, and they're probably not sending Accept-Language
sam sherlock wrote:
I am using ip2couuntry class in PHP to decide the default lanuage.
Thanks to Evandro who sent me a link to his site in Portugese and
English. The site in question does not use the language attribute as
inteneded (as far as I understand) all Lan attributes are set to en
for
better user agent support
arrives in the future, and the customer requires a redesign, will we be able
to leave the HTML/XHTML as is, and just modify the CSS, or will it require
an overhaul of both?
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) being more accessible than HTML (and
particularly transitional) is a myth. Conscientious coders can use
exactly the same approach (tableless etc) in both.
Please explain why you would use a transitional DTD where a Strict one is
valid and works just as well?
Regards,
Geoff Deering
Can someone please clarify what is going on with the CMS list? I've been
away for a few months, and off list. I've resubscribed to this one, but get
the error/rejection below when I try to subscribe to the CMS list. I
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From: designer
After looking at the site mentioned by Anthony (relating to
standards and
local government) I noticed a lot of meta tags on that site [
http://www.salford.gov.uk ] which I haven't seen before
[...]
Forgive my ignorance
Back about a year ago about.com were using Movable Type for all there sites.
So they should be in complete control of their code. If they wanted to save
money on bandwidth why don't they gzip up all their pages and configure the
server to send those to user agents who handle them, which, I think,
. On Windows I
mainly use TopStylePro.
Appreciate any Mac software tips for standards based development
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Paul Connolley wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
I am talking about CSS applied to HTML and the rendering of the CSS as
applied to the parsing of the document. But still, strictly speaking,
an
XML based document is bound to be more semantically correct because it
is
well formed
are dumb, it's just that for all the content out there, there are
only small portions of it that can be stored and analysed semantically, so
there is not much point in doing that regarding ROI. And I don't agree with
a lot of the way the W3C are handling the semantic web.
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Dean
From:Of Alan Milnes
Ian Hickson is _not_ saying XHTML is harmful, he is saying that
serving up XHTML with the wrong MIME type is bad.
I've read the article and what I don't understand is that if it is so
bad why is it acceptable to the Validator?
I write my pages in XHTML with a XHTML
From: Kristof Rutten
Hi Geoff,
I've 'switchted' sides in March of this year and haven't returned to
my old Win-platofrm ;)
Yes, I suspect it could happen to me too, especially when you have the best
of both worlds; Mac front end, and *nix backend, although I really do like
GNOME and KDE.
I have a 19 and 21 for development, so I'll just KVM the iBook (can't
afford a Powerbook)
Thanks
Upon a little test run, the live preview of the code (literally 'as you
type') is neat. This looks like it might be a pain for a small screen
though. I have a 17 Studio Display, and i wasn't fond
From: Andy Budd
Not forgetting Style Master http://www.westciv.com/style_master/
Andy Budd
Yeah, I was waiting for that one to come up.
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Chris Bentley wrote:
Are there any parsers out there you explicitly trust to get it right
every
time? I don't.
I know of one, http://validator.w3.org/. Are you say though that User
Agents are generally better/fast at parsing/rendering valid XHTML than
they are valid HTML?
No, that is
I think there are valid arguments for both sides of this.
This is also where I agree with the approach of the Apache/Cocoon advocates
in that you serve up the solution which be suits the user agent.
As standards developers we are working in an imperfect world and it's what
frustrates us all.
On 07/10/2004, at 10:07 AM, Geoff Deering wrote:
The reason being that if you are not closing all your tags it
can become a guessing game for the parser where the CSS declaration
may end
in various parts of the document.
It always strikes me that when using HTML4 you are at the mercy
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