Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-08 Thread John Allsopp
Hi all, Now we are getting to the core of it! What we need is ISO standardisation for web development! Something like the famous ISO 9000. Quality Control! I an hoping that is an ironic exclamation mark. If you want to be a Quality Accredited web development business, you need to follow

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-08 Thread Joshua Street
On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 16:46 +1000, John Allsopp wrote: You'll hear more about that at WE045 I hope we don't have to wait until 2045 for quality coding to catch on! ;-) Kind Regards, Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com.au/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02)

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-08 Thread Chris Taylor
That's actually no different to being a student, with the exception that the lecturer has got a full time job in addition to having to learn all the stuff they have to then teach. ...and that's no different from having a full-time job as a developer, and having to research - and

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: John Allsopp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 4:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign Hi all, Now we are getting to the core of it! What we need

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
Ah ha ha yes! Exactly my experience with my *first* web design course ever... it's called Intro to Web Design Programming. I'm only in the class because I have nothing else to take, and it's the only web design class being offered in the fall... and because I want to be a teaching assistant for

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Craig Rippon
Have filed a formal complaint against the instructor (who happens to run 10 hours of the 20 hours of classes we have each week.) I am no longer attending his classes and may not get my Diploma. Still, gives me more time to study at home (without the distraction of the fit young Physical Education

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 08/09/2005, at 9:14 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 8 Sep 2005, at 8:59 AM, Craig Rippon wrote: by-the-by: I am a web development student at Yeronga TAFE college in Brisbane, Australia. One of my instructors has never heard of DOCTYPE, refuses to put tags in lowercase and also refuses to

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Kenny Graham
http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu/ HAS a table layout. For no reason. No reason? It makes it much easier to meet the absolutely necessary design requirement of... arbitrarily splitting the background color in half?

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Herrod, Lisa
true, it isn't always. and defineitely not in this case. Lisa -Original Message- From: Seona Bellamy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 9:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign On 08/09

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
That could also be done with a coule divs... I think. Not that I would want to have a page background like that. Ugh. On 9/7/05, Kenny Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu/ HAS a table layout. For no reason. No reason? It makes it much easier to meet the absolutely

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread John Allsopp
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 9:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign On 08/09/2005, at 9:14 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 8 Sep 2005, at 8:59 AM, Craig Rippon wrote: by-the-by: I am a web development

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Herrod, Lisa
you can take over Gene simmons role...? :) -Original Message- From: John Allsopp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 9:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign Then again, I used to teach

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Herrod, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 9:48 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Craig Rippon
: Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:05 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign John! I wasn't talking about me! I'm not there anymore LOL I won't name names, but I will say they're lurking about on this list... you know who you are people

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Peter Williams
From: Herrod, Lisa There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute (ultimo TAFE) who understand and teach... Maybe TAFE is better than most other educational institutes. I did some welding courses quite a few years ago and the instructors we had were brilliant practitioners

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Herrod, Lisa wrote: I'm starting to see a new reality show... something like 'Rock school' but it would be called 'standards school' Well, although it bears no relation to Sydney, or indeed, tertiary education, there is a high school in Victoria teaching standards-based web design. As I

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 8 Sep 2005, at 10:43 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: But not everybody can afford this kind of employment mix. If you are a full time lecturer all you can rely on is books, training courses and seminars to learn from. What about the web itself? That's actually no different

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Craig Rippon
: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign From: Herrod, Lisa There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute (ultimo TAFE) who understand and teach... Maybe TAFE is better than most other educational institutes. I did some welding courses quite a few years

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 8 Sep 2005, at 10:43 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: H This is going way off-topic, right? No, no - I've enjoyed the couple of heatedly debated threads over the past couple of days far more than the 'please fix my code' posts - without please or thank you - that are

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Nick Gleitzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign On 8 Sep 2005, at 10:43 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
But you have to agree it is much easier to stay up-to-date if you work inthe field every day and actually practically implement new technologies. If a company looks for new staff members they will think twice before employingsomebody who has got no practical experience in the field. For a good

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 9/8/05, Craig Rippon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have filed a formal complaint against the instructor (who happens to run 10 I am no longer attending his classes and may not get my Diploma. Hi Craig, Don't let it get you down, I went through exactly the same thing in '03-'04 while attending

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Seona Bellamy wrote: I can't see why it wouldn't be the same for teachers. I mean, English and Literature teachers need to read the texts they will be taking their class through so that they are familiar with the material. When the way of approaching mathematics changed (my mother has told

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Vicki Berry
Lachlan Hardy wrote: The key component there, though, is convincing the relevant curriculum bodies of the importance of standards-based design. My thought (and I blogged on this today - interesting discussion!) is that it's not something to be added to a curriculum, rather it's part of

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions
This has evolved into an interesting topic! I started my working life as an apprentice carpenter (some time ago now!). I attended a tech college as part of the apprenticeship learning the skills needed to be a carpenter, and also the regulations and building codes that I would eventually have to

RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 2:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign This has evolved into an interesting topic