for note I would use the aria definition. Rich Schwerdtfeger CTO Accessibility Software Group
From: david bolter <[email protected]> To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus Cc: [email protected], [email protected], "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: 11/18/2010 02:38 PM Subject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2_ROLE_NOTE The IA2 role. D On Nov 18, 2010 3:07 PM, "Richard Schwerdtfeger" <[email protected]> wrote: > > For what? the IA2 role? The ARIA definition is accurate: A section whose > content is parenthetic or ancillary to the main content of the resource. > > ARIA has a role of complementary > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > CTO Accessibility Software Group > > > > From: David Bolter <[email protected]> > To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus > Cc: [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected], "Gregory J. Rosmaita" > <[email protected]> > Date: 11/18/2010 01:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2_ROLE_NOTE > > > > Thanks Rich, > > Is anyone opposed to changing the definition to: "A section that provides > complementary information" ? > > Cheers, > David > > On 16/11/10 10:32 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote: > > > That is the appropriate role for aside. > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > CTO Accessibility Software Group > > Inactive > hide details for david bolter ---11/15/2010 > 05:55:01 > PM---Well, I think I'm looking for approval to > expose the html > asdavid bolter ---11/15/2010 05:55:01 > PM---Well, I think I'm looking for approval to expose the html aside > element with an IA2 note role (in ge > > From: david bolter <[email protected]> > To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected] > Date: 11/15/2010 05:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2_ROLE_NOTE > Sent by: [email protected] > > > > > > Well, I think I'm looking for approval to expose the html aside > element with an IA2 note role (in gecko). > > > It might be problematic to use a brand new role for FF4 since we are > API frozen. > > > Cheers, > D > > > On Nov 15, 2010 4:20 PM, "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > aloha, brian! > > > > please refer to my resend of my reply to david: > > > > > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2010-November/001235.html > > > > > for my complete post -- as for using the brackets, that isn't > > semantically marking the text as relating to/glossing the quote, > but > > not part of the quote -- designating a voice characteristics change > > for everything in brackets is a rather "gross" tool for this task, > > similar to having a voice chars switch for quotation marks, which > are > > used for a lot more than quotations -- for example, i use CSS to > put > > text in emphasis quotes by assigning the text to be encased in > > air-quotes the element EM > > > > for more detailed musings (by me and others) on what is lacking in > > HTML5's quote element, consult the HTML WG wiki page: > > > > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/MuchAdoAboutQ > > > > gregory. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, > > as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them > > with others. -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gregory J. Rosmaita, [email protected] > > Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: Brian Cragun <[email protected]> > > To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected], > > [email protected], David Bolter > > <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:05:42 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2_ROLE_NOTE > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Doesn't the demarcation in the text itself provide that context > >> inherently? Anyone reading the text would assume that the > >> brackets mean there is editor inserted comment. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> Brian Cragun > >> IBM AbilityLab Consultant > >> Human Ability & Accessibility Center > >> www.ibm.com/able & w3.ibm.com/able > >> W:(720)-663-2801 H:(507)288-2437 > >> > >> From: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <[email protected]> > >> To: David Bolter <[email protected]>, > >> [email protected] > >> Cc: [email protected] > >> Date: 11/15/2010 01:48 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2_ROLE_NOTE > >> Sent by: [email protected] > >> > >> aloha, david! > >> > >> actually, i'd argue that the problem is that the concept "note" > >> is insufficient for all use cases: > >> > >> 1. there should be a means to distinguish between explanatory > notes > >> and referential notes; > >> > >> 2. there needs to be a means to convey within semantically > demarcated > >> quoted text, that a string of text added to contextualize the > quote > >> is not part of the original quote, but disambiguation text: > >> > >> <q>He [Robert E. Lee] was hamstrung by his [J.E.B. Stuart's] > >> absence from the battlefield for the first two days of fighting, > >> depriving him [Lee] of the up-to-date intelligence the calvary > >> ordinarily provided.</q> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, > >> as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them > >> with others. -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Gregory J. Rosmaita, [email protected] > >> Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ---------- Original Message ----------- > >> From: David Bolter <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:42:40 -0500 > >> Subject: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2_ROLE_NOTE > >> > >> > Hi. > >> > > >> > I think this is the current description of the note role: > >> > "An embedded note which is not visible until activated" > >> > > >> > I wonder if we could change it to: > >> > "A section that provides complementary information" > >> > > >> > This would make it reusable for things like html:aside elements > >> > and aria role="note". Thoughts? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > David > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Accessibility-ia2 mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.linux- > >> > foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility-ia2 > >> ------- End of Original Message ------- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Accessibility-ia2 mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.linux- > >> foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility-ia2 > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > _______________________________________________ > Accessibility-ia2 mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility-ia2 > > > >
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