tell Powercode this On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:07 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Darin and Steve, > > I completely agree that off-peak usage should be free and peak usage > should pay more. I keep looking at my bandwidth graphs and see all this > time from midnight-noon-6pm that my fiber is basically sitting > under-utilized yet i am paying for full utilization 24/7/365. Not to > mention backhaul capacity throughout my entire network thats under-utilized > those times. We are fastly moving towards internet supplying all of a > households TV watching needs and we need to adjust pricing models > accordingly to accommodate that especially for capacity during the > 6pm-midnight time frame. > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I forwarded your plotting to the boss, I really think there is something >> to it. We (industry) always look at "off peak" as overnight, rather than >> literal off peak, because of the morning peak. but I really think youre >> onto something golden >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:03 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> >>> We haven't implemented it yet but we're going to in January. We will >>> only slow down after reaching X amount of data per plan tier. We'll never >>> charge extra though as people hate unpredictable bills. They can choose to >>> upgrade to a plan with more high speed data during peak or learn to use >>> less data by adjusting quality settings, not leaving video on as background >>> noise, etc. >>> >>> Our primary goal for this is to reduce peak time congestion and make the >>> heaviest users pay more to fund the upgrades we're having to make earlier >>> than forecasted. >>> >>> Our customers expect good speedtests all hours of the day and right now >>> we're being hammered by abusive users so we need to take action. I won't >>> eat into our profit to upgrade gear we just deployed 1-2 years ago due to >>> bad users consuming 5-10x more than our average users. If they want to >>> stay, they have to pay up so I can afford to keep upgrading. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 9:38 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Darin, >>>> this is a pretty fresh concept. Never looked at it from this >>>> perspective. I assume you would have a base X rate. with Free for all time >>>> outside the peak use times (I assume you would advertise this time frame, >>>> and have a contractual way of adjusting it) >>>> Average the use during peak time? and allow that average as a base, >>>> with anything beyond that as a UBB? >>>> I think youre on to something sexy here. Have you implemented this? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:40 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kurt, >>>>> >>>>> I touched in this in the other email thread but we are moving towards >>>>> having high speed data thresholds that only count data from noon to >>>>> midnight. >>>>> >>>>> It's targeting exactly the heavy use periods. We may tweak it to only >>>>> count from 6pm to 11pm but the data amounts would have to be lower then. >>>>> We >>>>> would calculate what an average HD stream uses per hour, then tailor plans >>>>> to support that amount of usage for that time period. >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend never having overage charges though. Once a customer >>>>> hits the threshold, they will slow down and get an email from us. I'm a >>>>> big >>>>> believer in having predictable bills. If the customer uses too much data >>>>> and slows down, they have the choice to pay more or stay slow until the >>>>> next bill cycle. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The mobile guys also limit video resolution, I don’t know how they do >>>>>> it from a technical perspective, but for example AT&T has 3 “unlimited” >>>>>> plans – Starter, Extra and Elite. They say Starter and Elite limit >>>>>> streaming to standard def, and only Elite can stream in high def. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It also seems streaming services will use whatever bandwidth is >>>>>> available to increase video quality. The customer may not notice the >>>>>> difference. Which means they may also not notice if you throttle their >>>>>> video speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Like there was an article complaining that 4K quality games with >>>>>> Google Stadia doesn’t look as good as 4K on a console. I hope Stadia >>>>>> falls >>>>>> on its face, but honestly, I look at the images in the article that are >>>>>> supposed to show the big difference in quality, and I can barely see it. >>>>>> Maybe because I’m not a gamer I don’t appreciate the difference. Is it >>>>>> coincidence that the image in question is of Lara Croft’s butt? Is that >>>>>> what this is all about? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/18/20970297/google-stadia-review-gaming-streaming-cloud-price-specs-features-chrome-pixel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka >>>>>> Technologies >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:34 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBB - Usage Based Billing WAS: tired of >>>>>> entitled streamers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt, >>>>>> >>>>>> We used to do UBB on our wireless system. Most people were fine with >>>>>> it. Had a few grumpy people as always. Didn't scale well, got out of >>>>>> hand >>>>>> rapidly as customer base grew. >>>>>> >>>>>> Currently on our fiber system we do the "unlimited" the cell guys >>>>>> invented. You have unlimited Internet with no extra charges. Once you >>>>>> go >>>>>> over a threshold we will throttle the speeds back. We throttle the user >>>>>> down one package. If they are on the 50 Mbps package they get throttle >>>>>> down to the 25 Mbps package. Still very usable for most people. Someone >>>>>> on the 100 Mbps package would drop to 75 Mbps. Most people won't even >>>>>> notice that. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have always kept a perceived value on bytes for our customers. >>>>>> I'm also a firm believer in tracking bandwidth to the user even if you >>>>>> don't do UBB. Our customers have 3 months worth of usage they can drill >>>>>> down to the hour.. We are using radius accounting, so data is almost >>>>>> live. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 5:55:45 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone else doing Usage Based Billing? Or Peak UBB? We have >>>>>> noticed in the last 6 months huge exponential increases of streaming >>>>>> adoption especially between 6pm-midnight. Its almost getting unmanageable >>>>>> and we are even using a Procera device. Problem is >50% of all traffic >>>>>> after 6pm is streaming and it doesn't matter we would pretty much have to >>>>>> block all other non-streaming traffic between those hours just to make >>>>>> room >>>>>> for the streaming demand. >>>>>> >>>>>> So we in essence have to design the network to perform during a peak >>>>>> window between 7pm-midnight and it just doesn't make financial sense for >>>>>> the network to be sitting there not being used 19 hours of the day. >>>>>> >>>>>> 100% of all new signups are asking us if we are "Unlimited" which has >>>>>> been a huge selling point for us. Has anyone made the jump to UBB and >>>>>> what >>>>>> was the reaction? >>>>>> >>>>>> My initial thoughts are first 500GB free and after that $10 for each >>>>>> block of 100GB past the first 500GB. Other factors are do we give free >>>>>> data >>>>>> between midnight-6pm so not penalizing people that are not using during >>>>>> peak hours? >>>>>> >>>>>> Really, Really curious to hear if anyone has made the jump and what >>>>>> customer reaction has been. 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