So. Can you limit speed during peak times using Powercode though?
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 12:48 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Steve, > > I'm looking at my powercode billing server now and it appears that there is a > way to charge for data that only happens during certain hours. (see attached) > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> tell Powercode this >> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:07 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Darin and Steve, >>> >>> I completely agree that off-peak usage should be free and peak usage should >>> pay more. I keep looking at my bandwidth graphs and see all this time from >>> midnight-noon-6pm that my fiber is basically sitting under-utilized yet i >>> am paying for full utilization 24/7/365. Not to mention backhaul capacity >>> throughout my entire network thats under-utilized those times. We are >>> fastly moving towards internet supplying all of a households TV watching >>> needs and we need to adjust pricing models accordingly to accommodate that >>> especially for capacity during the 6pm-midnight time frame. >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> I forwarded your plotting to the boss, I really think there is something >>>> to it. We (industry) always look at "off peak" as overnight, rather than >>>> literal off peak, because of the morning peak. but I really think youre >>>> onto something golden >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:03 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Steve, >>>>> >>>>> We haven't implemented it yet but we're going to in January. We will only >>>>> slow down after reaching X amount of data per plan tier. We'll never >>>>> charge extra though as people hate unpredictable bills. They can choose >>>>> to upgrade to a plan with more high speed data during peak or learn to >>>>> use less data by adjusting quality settings, not leaving video on as >>>>> background noise, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Our primary goal for this is to reduce peak time congestion and make the >>>>> heaviest users pay more to fund the upgrades we're having to make earlier >>>>> than forecasted. >>>>> >>>>> Our customers expect good speedtests all hours of the day and right now >>>>> we're being hammered by abusive users so we need to take action. I won't >>>>> eat into our profit to upgrade gear we just deployed 1-2 years ago due to >>>>> bad users consuming 5-10x more than our average users. If they want to >>>>> stay, they have to pay up so I can afford to keep upgrading. >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 9:38 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Darin, >>>>>> this is a pretty fresh concept. Never looked at it from this >>>>>> perspective. I assume you would have a base X rate. with Free for all >>>>>> time outside the peak use times (I assume you would advertise this time >>>>>> frame, and have a contractual way of adjusting it) >>>>>> Average the use during peak time? and allow that average as a base, with >>>>>> anything beyond that as a UBB? >>>>>> I think youre on to something sexy here. Have you implemented this? >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:40 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Kurt, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I touched in this in the other email thread but we are moving towards >>>>>>> having high speed data thresholds that only count data from noon to >>>>>>> midnight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's targeting exactly the heavy use periods. We may tweak it to only >>>>>>> count from 6pm to 11pm but the data amounts would have to be lower >>>>>>> then. We would calculate what an average HD stream uses per hour, then >>>>>>> tailor plans to support that amount of usage for that time period. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend never having overage charges though. Once a customer >>>>>>> hits the threshold, they will slow down and get an email from us. I'm a >>>>>>> big believer in having predictable bills. If the customer uses too much >>>>>>> data and slows down, they have the choice to pay more or stay slow >>>>>>> until the next bill cycle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> The mobile guys also limit video resolution, I don’t know how they do >>>>>>>> it from a technical perspective, but for example AT&T has 3 >>>>>>>> “unlimited” plans – Starter, Extra and Elite. They say Starter and >>>>>>>> Elite limit streaming to standard def, and only Elite can stream in >>>>>>>> high def. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It also seems streaming services will use whatever bandwidth is >>>>>>>> available to increase video quality. The customer may not notice the >>>>>>>> difference. Which means they may also not notice if you throttle >>>>>>>> their video speed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like there was an article complaining that 4K quality games with >>>>>>>> Google Stadia doesn’t look as good as 4K on a console. I hope Stadia >>>>>>>> falls on its face, but honestly, I look at the images in the article >>>>>>>> that are supposed to show the big difference in quality, and I can >>>>>>>> barely see it. Maybe because I’m not a gamer I don’t appreciate the >>>>>>>> difference. Is it coincidence that the image in question is of Lara >>>>>>>> Croft’s butt? Is that what this is all about? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/18/20970297/google-stadia-review-gaming-streaming-cloud-price-specs-features-chrome-pixel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka >>>>>>>> Technologies >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:34 PM >>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBB - Usage Based Billing WAS: tired of entitled >>>>>>>> streamers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kurt, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We used to do UBB on our wireless system. Most people were fine with >>>>>>>> it. Had a few grumpy people as always. Didn't scale well, got out of >>>>>>>> hand rapidly as customer base grew. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Currently on our fiber system we do the "unlimited" the cell guys >>>>>>>> invented. You have unlimited Internet with no extra charges. Once >>>>>>>> you go over a threshold we will throttle the speeds back. We throttle >>>>>>>> the user down one package. If they are on the 50 Mbps package they >>>>>>>> get throttle down to the 25 Mbps package. Still very usable for most >>>>>>>> people. Someone on the 100 Mbps package would drop to 75 Mbps. Most >>>>>>>> people won't even notice that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have always kept a perceived value on bytes for our customers. I'm >>>>>>>> also a firm believer in tracking bandwidth to the user even if you >>>>>>>> don't do UBB. Our customers have 3 months worth of usage they can >>>>>>>> drill down to the hour.. We are using radius accounting, so data is >>>>>>>> almost live. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 5:55:45 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is anyone else doing Usage Based Billing? Or Peak UBB? We have noticed >>>>>>>> in the last 6 months huge exponential increases of streaming adoption >>>>>>>> especially between 6pm-midnight. Its almost getting unmanageable and >>>>>>>> we are even using a Procera device. Problem is >50% of all traffic >>>>>>>> after 6pm is streaming and it doesn't matter we would pretty much have >>>>>>>> to block all other non-streaming traffic between those hours just to >>>>>>>> make room for the streaming demand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So we in essence have to design the network to perform during a peak >>>>>>>> window between 7pm-midnight and it just doesn't make financial sense >>>>>>>> for the network to be sitting there not being used 19 hours of the day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 100% of all new signups are asking us if we are "Unlimited" which has >>>>>>>> been a huge selling point for us. Has anyone made the jump to UBB and >>>>>>>> what was the reaction? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My initial thoughts are first 500GB free and after that $10 for each >>>>>>>> block of 100GB past the first 500GB. Other factors are do we give free >>>>>>>> data between midnight-6pm so not penalizing people that are not using >>>>>>>> during peak hours? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Really, Really curious to hear if anyone has made the jump and what >>>>>>>> customer reaction has been. 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