i think they have had it for the past year or two On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 8:05 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Holy cow, when Did they add that, overage used to account even if you had > non billed time. > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 11:49 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> I'm looking at my powercode billing server now and it appears that there >> is a way to charge for data that only happens during certain hours. (see >> attached) >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> tell Powercode this >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:07 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Darin and Steve, >>>> >>>> I completely agree that off-peak usage should be free and peak usage >>>> should pay more. I keep looking at my bandwidth graphs and see all this >>>> time from midnight-noon-6pm that my fiber is basically sitting >>>> under-utilized yet i am paying for full utilization 24/7/365. Not to >>>> mention backhaul capacity throughout my entire network thats under-utilized >>>> those times. We are fastly moving towards internet supplying all of a >>>> households TV watching needs and we need to adjust pricing models >>>> accordingly to accommodate that especially for capacity during the >>>> 6pm-midnight time frame. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I forwarded your plotting to the boss, I really think there is >>>>> something to it. We (industry) always look at "off peak" as overnight, >>>>> rather than literal off peak, because of the morning peak. but I really >>>>> think youre onto something golden >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:03 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Steve, >>>>>> >>>>>> We haven't implemented it yet but we're going to in January. We will >>>>>> only slow down after reaching X amount of data per plan tier. We'll never >>>>>> charge extra though as people hate unpredictable bills. They can choose >>>>>> to >>>>>> upgrade to a plan with more high speed data during peak or learn to use >>>>>> less data by adjusting quality settings, not leaving video on as >>>>>> background >>>>>> noise, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our primary goal for this is to reduce peak time congestion and make >>>>>> the heaviest users pay more to fund the upgrades we're having to make >>>>>> earlier than forecasted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our customers expect good speedtests all hours of the day and right >>>>>> now we're being hammered by abusive users so we need to take action. I >>>>>> won't eat into our profit to upgrade gear we just deployed 1-2 years ago >>>>>> due to bad users consuming 5-10x more than our average users. If they >>>>>> want >>>>>> to stay, they have to pay up so I can afford to keep upgrading. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 9:38 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Darin, >>>>>>> this is a pretty fresh concept. Never looked at it from this >>>>>>> perspective. I assume you would have a base X rate. with Free for all >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> outside the peak use times (I assume you would advertise this time >>>>>>> frame, >>>>>>> and have a contractual way of adjusting it) >>>>>>> Average the use during peak time? and allow that average as a base, >>>>>>> with anything beyond that as a UBB? >>>>>>> I think youre on to something sexy here. Have you implemented this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:40 PM Darin Steffl < >>>>>>> darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kurt, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I touched in this in the other email thread but we are moving >>>>>>>> towards having high speed data thresholds that only count data from >>>>>>>> noon to >>>>>>>> midnight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's targeting exactly the heavy use periods. We may tweak it to >>>>>>>> only count from 6pm to 11pm but the data amounts would have to be lower >>>>>>>> then. We would calculate what an average HD stream uses per hour, then >>>>>>>> tailor plans to support that amount of usage for that time period. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would recommend never having overage charges though. Once a >>>>>>>> customer hits the threshold, they will slow down and get an email from >>>>>>>> us. >>>>>>>> I'm a big believer in having predictable bills. If the customer uses >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> much data and slows down, they have the choice to pay more or stay slow >>>>>>>> until the next bill cycle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The mobile guys also limit video resolution, I don’t know how they >>>>>>>>> do it from a technical perspective, but for example AT&T has 3 >>>>>>>>> “unlimited” >>>>>>>>> plans – Starter, Extra and Elite. They say Starter and Elite limit >>>>>>>>> streaming to standard def, and only Elite can stream in high def. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It also seems streaming services will use whatever bandwidth is >>>>>>>>> available to increase video quality. The customer may not notice the >>>>>>>>> difference. Which means they may also not notice if you throttle >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> video speed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like there was an article complaining that 4K quality games with >>>>>>>>> Google Stadia doesn’t look as good as 4K on a console. I hope Stadia >>>>>>>>> falls >>>>>>>>> on its face, but honestly, I look at the images in the article that >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> supposed to show the big difference in quality, and I can barely see >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> Maybe because I’m not a gamer I don’t appreciate the difference. Is >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> coincidence that the image in question is of Lara Croft’s butt? Is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> what this is all about? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/18/20970297/google-stadia-review-gaming-streaming-cloud-price-specs-features-chrome-pixel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka >>>>>>>>> Technologies >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:34 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBB - Usage Based Billing WAS: tired of >>>>>>>>> entitled streamers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kurt, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We used to do UBB on our wireless system. Most people were fine >>>>>>>>> with it. Had a few grumpy people as always. Didn't scale well, got >>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>> hand rapidly as customer base grew. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Currently on our fiber system we do the "unlimited" the cell guys >>>>>>>>> invented. You have unlimited Internet with no extra charges. Once >>>>>>>>> you go >>>>>>>>> over a threshold we will throttle the speeds back. We throttle the >>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>> down one package. If they are on the 50 Mbps package they get >>>>>>>>> throttle >>>>>>>>> down to the 25 Mbps package. Still very usable for most people. >>>>>>>>> Someone >>>>>>>>> on the 100 Mbps package would drop to 75 Mbps. Most people won't even >>>>>>>>> notice that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have always kept a perceived value on bytes for our customers. >>>>>>>>> I'm also a firm believer in tracking bandwidth to the user even if you >>>>>>>>> don't do UBB. Our customers have 3 months worth of usage they can >>>>>>>>> drill >>>>>>>>> down to the hour.. We are using radius accounting, so data is almost >>>>>>>>> live. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 5:55:45 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is anyone else doing Usage Based Billing? Or Peak UBB? We have >>>>>>>>> noticed in the last 6 months huge exponential increases of streaming >>>>>>>>> adoption especially between 6pm-midnight. Its almost getting >>>>>>>>> unmanageable >>>>>>>>> and we are even using a Procera device. Problem is >50% of all traffic >>>>>>>>> after 6pm is streaming and it doesn't matter we would pretty much >>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>> block all other non-streaming traffic between those hours just to >>>>>>>>> make room >>>>>>>>> for the streaming demand. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So we in essence have to design the network to perform during a >>>>>>>>> peak window between 7pm-midnight and it just doesn't make financial >>>>>>>>> sense >>>>>>>>> for the network to be sitting there not being used 19 hours of the >>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 100% of all new signups are asking us if we are "Unlimited" which >>>>>>>>> has been a huge selling point for us. Has anyone made the jump to UBB >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> what was the reaction? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My initial thoughts are first 500GB free and after that $10 for >>>>>>>>> each block of 100GB past the first 500GB. Other factors are do we >>>>>>>>> give free >>>>>>>>> data between midnight-6pm so not penalizing people that are not using >>>>>>>>> during peak hours? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Really, Really curious to hear if anyone has made the jump and >>>>>>>>> what customer reaction has been. 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