So two products do 2/3 of those products.  Augh!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The gigabit poe injectors do this, but without sync.  And with some fusing
> and wiring issues.  This would add the sync and clean up wiring.
> On Apr 17, 2015 8:37 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We need one product that does gig for Af5x, epmp and ubnt.  That would be
>> glorious.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 17, 2015 3:36 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In progress....  :)
>>>
>>> I was going to hold off announcing this until we were sure it was going
>>> to work, since the 'mechanical issues' we're working through are a side
>>> effect of this, and I'm confident but not 100% sure we're close to solving
>>> them.  But since it was brought up I'll give a bit of a look behind the
>>> curtain so to speak:
>>>
>>> At some point the light went on in my head that I could add a set of
>>> jumpers to each port just like on the Gigabit PoE injectors and make the
>>> syncinjectors radio-universal.  I struggled with how to make the jumpers
>>> accessible until I realized that I could just get some more holes cut in
>>> the bottom of the syncinjector case.   For the existing 4 port injectors,
>>> this isn't a problem as those holes can be added to the side of the case
>>> closest the circuit board and we can put the jumpers on the side of the
>>> circuit board closest to the holes and everything would work fine.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the syncinjector currently in work is the 12 port
>>> injector.   This adds an additional hurdle that there are two boards, each
>>> with 12 ports.   Each board needs to be close to a side to make this work,
>>> which means the orientation of the boards are flipped in relation to each
>>> other (laying the unit on it's side, one is 'right side up' with the
>>> connectors sitting on the circuit board, and the other board is upside down
>>> with the connectors hanging from it (just like in the existing product)),
>>> effectively placing the two boards themselves as far apart as possible in
>>> the enclosure.  This isn't a problem except that the enclosure is two U
>>> shaped pieces of plastic which the boards snap into one U and then the
>>> second U snaps on the resulting assembly as a cover.  With two boards, one
>>> ends up very near the bottom of the U which requires a fair bit of
>>> flexibility to be able to snap the board into without breaking the
>>> enclosure.  The other board ends up very near the top of the U which
>>> requires a fair bit of ridigidity to hold the board in place given the
>>> distance the sides are from the U.   We think that the current material
>>> we're planning on having the enclosures use will be both flexible and rigid
>>> enough - but its' been a bit of a challenge ensuring that.  I'm supposed to
>>> be getting first samples soon and if that works,  we'll be shipping the 12
>>> port injectors with 4 jumpers per port to set the pinning.   If this
>>> iteration doesn't work, we'll just go to production with the 12 port
>>> injectors without the jumpers and a mechanically less-troublesome
>>> orientation and then re-spin the 4 port injector fairly soon to add them to
>>> that product, and then re-visit the 12 port injector jumpers at some future
>>> date, possibly after the rackmount stuff (hopefully) finally comes out.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, in the meantime, there isn't any reason why you
>>> shouldn't be able to swap the blue and brown pairs in the cable going both
>>> into and out of the current syncinjectors to get the non-canopy radios to
>>> work with gigabit on the syncinjector.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>> On Apr 16, 2015 6:03 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So what we need is a Syncinjector with jumpers like on the Gigabit PoE
>>>> injectors...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yup screwed there :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2015 7:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I remember right, the AF5x pinout is 1/2 & 4/5 positive and 3/6 &
>>>>>> 7/8 negative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Airmax stuff is all 4/5 positive and 7/8 negative, I imagine the
>>>>>> 10/100 stuff would work fine with the power pairs swapped, but I don't 
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> what that would do to gigabit. I don't think it's going to work with 
>>>>>> AF5x,
>>>>>> since they use power on all four pairs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check...sorry.  It's on the roof so I can go up and look
>>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:14 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
>>>>>>> <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  No pinout!?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2015 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It says 24v/1a and is gigabit.  It is a bit different than the
>>>>>>>> Nanobeam POEs.  It also doesn't work with an NSM5 for certain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
>>>>>>>> <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  What does the AF5x power supply say on the label for pairs or
>>>>>>>>> pinouts? Or is it the same as their other 24V/1A supplies, but 
>>>>>>>>> gigabit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2015 5:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly concerned with the Ubnt Airmax stuff (24v) and AF5x.
>>>>>>>>> Obviously the ePMP works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
>>>>>>>>> Broadcasting) <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AFAIK, the 450AP GigE interface is still powered only on pins 4,
>>>>>>>>>> 5, 7 & 8. Probably applies to the ePMP Sync radio too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, with that in mind.. does the UBNT GigE PoE stuff use all 4
>>>>>>>>>> pairs for power? If it's 4, 5, 7 & 8, it may be possible, but... 
>>>>>>>>>> you'd have
>>>>>>>>>> to flip the blues and browns at one end. I don't know what that 
>>>>>>>>>> would do
>>>>>>>>>> for the GigE data interface though. It might not work. You can use a 
>>>>>>>>>> 568B
>>>>>>>>>> to 568A (aka standard cross-over) cable and GigE still works fine, 
>>>>>>>>>> but I'm
>>>>>>>>>> not sure about crossed blues and browns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone smarter than me would probably have to give you a thumbs
>>>>>>>>>> up or down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2015 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone tried these syncinjectors for Ubnt Airmax radios?
>>>>>>>>>>> What about anything else?  I'd love to use this one product for all 
>>>>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>>>>>> from now on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to run the AF5x?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

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