I have been compelled to create interrogatory and other data many times.  

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

That's my understanding as well.  Further, for the iPhone 5S and later, it has 
nothing to do with source code and compilers, as the security is apparently 
built directly into the hardware.  (To be fair, apparently the phone in 
question is a 5C, and does not have the hardware security.  That doesn't change 
the fact that Apple [allegedly] does not have the phone's passphrase.)

If this understanding is correct, this brings up another question.  Does the 
government have the power to compel a person or company to create?  That's a 
very slippery slope I, for one, don't want to see us go down.

I suspect this will end up going all the way to the Supreme Court.


On 02/19/2016 03:21 PM, Jeremy Grip wrote:

  My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple 
actually has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a 
human or humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of 
the security, humans being notoriously susceptible to corruption. What was that 
Machiavelli said about power?And possession of those tools is a lot of power.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 19, 2016, at 6:05 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote:


    As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI 
wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software on 
every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, then incinerate the 
device.


    On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

      But they're not actually asking for a back door, are they?� They're 
just saying 'hey, we have this physical device, can we give it to you, and you 
get us the data off of it'?� I've got to think that the Engineers at apple 
have a way to do this thought up.� 

      Although at the same time, If they're trying to unlock the phone, 
couldn't the Gov't with it's vast resources, just simply make a bit by bit copy 
of the flash chip in the phone and just go through and try every unlock code?


      On 2/19/2016 4:54 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

        Yup. Google agrees as well.

        On Feb 19, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" <[email protected]> wrote:

          Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. 


          On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke <[email protected]> 
wrote:

            My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that Cook 
should be in Jail for failing to comply with the order.� 


            On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

              ... What?

              Seriously?

              On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

                Treason?





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