The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break 
into the phone themselves?  Or do they just not want the world to know they can?



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From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple



Every decent code writer at Apple that has access to the source code and a 
compiler has the tools to do this at will.  With or without the knowledge or 
approval of Apple.



Again, can someone give me an example of things I need to encrypt so securely 
that the NSA should not have access?

Financial stuff is the domain of the IRS.   They have the right to peek into 
all corners of your financial life.

Post office has always had the right to open and read your mail.  How is this 
any different?



From: Jeremy Grip <mailto:[email protected]>

Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:21 PM

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple



My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually 
has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or 
humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the 
security, humans being notoriously susceptible to corruption. What was that 
Machiavelli said about power?And possession of those tools is a lot of power.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 19, 2016, at 6:05 PM, George Skorup <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants 
Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software on every 
phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, then incinerate the 
device.

On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

But they're not actually asking for a back door, are they?� They're just 
saying 'hey, we have this physical device, can we give it to you, and you get 
us the data off of it'?� I've got to think that the Engineers at apple have a 
way to do this thought up.�

Although at the same time, If they're trying to unlock the phone, couldn't the 
Gov't with it's vast resources, just simply make a bit by bit copy of the flash 
chip in the phone and just go through and try every unlock code?

On 2/19/2016 4:54 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Yup. Google agrees as well.

On Feb 19, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing.



On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that Cook should be in 
Jail for failing to comply with the order.�



On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

... What?

Seriously?

On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Treason?






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