We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything. The benefit is I can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> wrote: Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise, seems like a nightmare. On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: > With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan > ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate. > The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went > with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router > that solves the problem. > > Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway > when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC > wifi and voip. > > We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot > of money on strand count in our low density rural areas. > > > > On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chuck, >> >> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of >> several other operators using the same setup now too. >> >> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality made >> unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried. >> >> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 >> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to >> this Huawei version. https://www.alibaba.com/produc >> t-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_604425626 >> 81.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx >> >> Gerard >> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing. >>> >>> You are using this now? >>> >>> *From:* Gerard Dupont >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support. >>> >>> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon >>> -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu- >>> with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html >>> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o >>> riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port >>> -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html >>> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391 >>> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS https://www.fs.com/products/20 >>> 745.html >>> 20M $7.66 >>> 10M $5.66 >>> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link) >>> >>> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200 >>> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization.. >>> Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024 >>> customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util. >>> >>> 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html >>> 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14 https://www.fs.com/products/11 >>> 528.html >>> 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5 >>> >>> None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a few >>> hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees. >>> >>> Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per >>> customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS >>> + $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per >>> port. >>> >>> You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU >>> management/monitoring (tell Adrian I sent you for a discount) >>> >>> I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always >>> overlay 10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to >>> upgrade. Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to >>> combine both OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different >>> wavelengths they will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's. >>> >>> Gerard >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> ONT Housing (Clam Shell) $ 29.00 >>>> ONT $ 215.00 >>>> Unicam $ 15.00 >>>> Cyber Power $ 81.00 >>>> Cyber Install $ 110.00 >>>> House Sub Total * $ 450.00 * >>>> >>>> OLT $11K/8/32 $ 42.97 >>>> OIM $845/32 $ 38.27 >>>> Splitter $900/32 $ 39.43 >>>> DLC per Sub Subtotal * $ 120.67 * >>>> >>>> >>>> Electronics/Sub Total Expense * $ 570.67 * >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Dug up some of my costs on the GPON. One port with a C+ class laser >>>> and a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000. >>>> >>>> >>>> So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 >>>> per user. Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for >>>> electronics. As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better. But, >>>> we are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI. Remember we >>>> are debating fiber. I have ONT's out there over 72 months old. I'm sure >>>> Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 years older than that. I don't plan on any >>>> type of major upgrade for several years. >>>> >>>> But I must stress there is no right answer. AE vs GPON. You need to >>>> make sure you fully understand both options before making a decision. Not >>>> to mention, you can run both. We are setup to do AE, We currently have 2 >>>> customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark * >>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor >>>> cabinets. >>>> >>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per >>>> customer. >>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself >>>> to do PON. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>>> *To:* Adam Moffett >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>>> exceed 20Km." >>>> >>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>>> >>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into >>>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 >>>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter >>>> to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light >>>> budget. >>>> >>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage >>>> per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>>> >>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber >>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 >>>> split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm >>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run >>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times >>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or so >>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>>> >>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't >>>> seeming to work out for me. >>>> >>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to >>>> PON some day if I want to. >>>> >>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE >>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do that >>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> A few reasons... >>>> >>>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>>> >>>> More splicing. >>>> >>>> More fiber required. >>>> >>>> Larger chassis required. >>>> >>>> More power required. >>>> >>>> More battery backup required. >>>> >>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>>> capacity in most places. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>>> >>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with >>>> Zhone is different. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN >>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember >>>> which. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions? >>>> >>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>>> >>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>>> >>>> -Jason >>>> >>> >>> >> >>
