I meant the p-np thing. On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:26 AM, John G. Rose <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> This email list has great potential. I'm not really the moderator type, I >> just didn't want to see the list die. If we have a "world class" AGI >> individual that wants to step up and clean house just contact Ben and/or >> I. >> Even if that means my own random blurbs getting censored so be it :) >> >> Personally, my feelings are and I'll repeat this for the last time, I >> don't >> see a problem with this list with myself being a >> non-academic/non-establishment anti control-freak. Too often good things >> die >> before they flourish from people that feel and are accustomed to >> squelching >> out any sort of appearance of disorganization or disarray. >> >> IMO the inception of many new technologies are similar to the beginnings >> of >> trends in art and fashion. They originate in the places least expected. >> Then >> once they start, after a while, the establishment tries to take control >> and >> credit. AGI or various forms of early AGI are still in this inception >> stage. >> >> I see the difficulty in building AGI lies mostly in the way we have been >> trained and forced to think. "We" meaning the generally and forcefully >> indoctrinated and academically trained techno-sheeple populace. How will >> "we" consciously and voluntarily build a system that replaces ourselves? >> Naturally it is going to be very difficult :) >> >> John >> >> > > There are certain technical problems with contemporary software and they > are all related to the n-np thing. That does not necessarily mean that the > n vs np problem has to be solved in order to make some advances in that > area. There is some evidence that hardware development will reach a level > where this is no longer problem but even that does not mean that we are > finally reaching the stage where advanced AGI will become feasible. But > this is not a bad thing because we definitely do not want to replace > ourselves. > > This group is really a fringe group because the problem is too > difficult to for anyone to solve right now and most of us are not actively > working on the kinds of things that we talk about. > > I have to admit that I am not that impressed with Ben Goertzel's > "experienced, "professional" AGI researchers," because they just have not > solved the kinds of problems that need to be solved. > > There are definitely some messages which have nothing or very little to do > with AGI and they should be moderated. > > Jim Bromer > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
