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  Re: Yellow slime on oil filler cap
  Re: Yellow slime on oil filler cap
  Re: Yellow slime on oil filler cap
  [uuc] Re: E46 Touring Aftermarket Exhaust
  Re: Weight of the E46 M3 and E39 M5
  Re: E39M% weight
  Re: E39M% weight
  Re: E39M% weight
  <ADMIN> subject lines in all caps (was WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5)
  Re: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
  Re: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
  ****SPAM**** Re: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
  ****SPAM**** E46 M3 weight (not all caps  :-)
  Help! Warranty Gold Ltd. Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Notice
  61 31 1 384 739 ?

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:33:26 -0500
From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yellow slime on oil filler cap
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Neil asks
> I'm changing the oil on my 99 M3 today, and when I
> went to put in the Lubro Moly Motor Clean, I noticed
> some kind of yellow goo on the inside of the filler
> cap.  It wasn't hardened, as it came off when wiped.

I've seen similar stuff from moisture condensing inside the valve area (oil
+ water goo).. if the engine hasn't been run for long and weather is cool
you can get it. Usually it burns off if you drive the car for 10-15+ mins
and get it nice and warm

chris pawlowicz


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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:13:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Yellow slime on oil filler cap
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks all.  Consensus is definitely that it is
condensation related.  Which makes sense, as my normal
commute is only about 6 miles each way, and it's been
fairly cold here lately.  The car always gets up to
normal coolant temp, but not for long before I arrive.
 Guess I'll just have to drive it more.  Dang...

Thanks again,

Neil

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> Neil asks
> > I'm changing the oil on my 99 M3 today, and when I
> > went to put in the Lubro Moly Motor Clean, I
> noticed
> > some kind of yellow goo on the inside of the
> filler
> > cap.  It wasn't hardened, as it came off when
> wiped.
> 
> I've seen similar stuff from moisture condensing
> inside the valve area (oil
> + water goo).. if the engine hasn't been run for
> long and weather is cool
> you can get it. Usually it burns off if you drive
> the car for 10-15+ mins
> and get it nice and warm
> 
> chris pawlowicz
> 
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:45:32 -0500
From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yellow slime on oil filler cap
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

As long as it is just a small amount and good long drive clears it up you
are fine.  If it stays after a good long drive, or gets heavy, you may have
coolant getting in the oil...not good.

But I think your fine.  I used to drive propane fueled lifts in cold
weather, man did they put some condensation into the oil.  We had special
oil too help, and the big lifts had separate moisture traps on the filter
housings...still had a nice foamy head on the oil cap.

David

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Thanks all.  Consensus is definitely that it is
condensation related.  Which makes sense, as my normal
commute is only about 6 miles each way, and it's been
fairly cold here lately.  The car always gets up to
normal coolant temp, but not for long before I arrive.
 Guess I'll just have to drive it more.  Dang...

Thanks again,

Neil

--- Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Neil asks
> > I'm changing the oil on my 99 M3 today, and when I
> > went to put in the Lubro Moly Motor Clean, I
> noticed
> > some kind of yellow goo on the inside of the
> filler
> > cap.  It wasn't hardened, as it came off when
> wiped.
>
> I've seen similar stuff from moisture condensing
> inside the valve area (oil
> + water goo).. if the engine hasn't been run for
> long and weather is cool
> you can get it. Usually it burns off if you drive
> the car for 10-15+ mins
> and get it nice and warm
>
> chris pawlowicz
>
>
__________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast,
> founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and
> home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com


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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:46:55 -0000
From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: E46 Touring Aftermarket Exhaust
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

"I'm posting this for a friend with a 325iT/5. He wants an aftermarket
exhaust so he can hear his exhaust sounds. He doesn't want it to be too loud
though. I'd appreciate it if anyone experienced in this area could make some
recommendations. I once had an E34 525iTA and bought a B&B (Triflow)
exhaust. I removed it the next day as it was so loud in a wagon."

BMW makes a sport rear muffler available for later six-cylinder 3ers.  It
has bigger outlets and no exhaust flap, and is designed for a "sporty
exhaust note", but it is expensive.  P/n 18 10 9 026 767.  Failing that, I
would go with SuperSprint.  Good reputation, not boomy, and you can buy a
Supersprint rear box which has very similar tips to the factory muffler.

Andy T
'03 318i 2.0.



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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:18:41 -0000
From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Weight of the E46 M3 and E39 M5
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

"Anyone know where I can get the vehicle weights of the e39 M5 and the
e46 M3?  I'm sure there's an online reference (or maybe someone knows
off-hand?\)"

Any BMW website will tell you the kerb weight of the M3 for your market.
"Wet" kerb weights, incorporating a full tank and 180 lb of driver and
luggage, are

E46 M3: 1,570 kg (3,462 lb) (2004 UK model)
E39 M5: 1,825 kg (4,024 lb) (2003 UK model)

Andy T
'03 318i 2.0.  1,395 kg (3,076 lb)




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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:59:46 -0600
From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E39M% weight
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I've seen many different figures on the net, and don't know for sure which 
one is correct, but the M5 owner's manual says 4024 lbs. *with* driver and a 
full tank of gas. If it's the standard 75 kg man they're speaking of, it 
would be 3859 lbs gassed up. 18.5 gallons of gas I *think* weighs about 114 
lbs., making it 3745 lbs. dry. Don't know if that helps...

rss

>Anyone know where I can get the vehicle weights of the e39 M5 and the
>e46 M3?  I'm sure there's an online reference (or maybe someone knows
>off-hand?)
>
>Chris

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:02:32 -0600
From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E39M% weight
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Gary,
I thought it odd too, but here it is, copied directly from the manual -- 
page 186.
Also, *most* sources place the curb weight at about 3850 lbs., which would 
be in line with this.
rss

Weights
BMW M5
Curb weight (with one person, ready for operation, full tank of fuel, 
options not included)
lbs. (kg) 4,024 (1,825)
Approved gross vehicle weight lbs. (kg) 5,049 (2,290)
Approved front axle weight lbs. (kg) 2,426 (1,100)
Approved rear axle weight lbs. (kg) 2,701 (1,225)
Approved roof load capacity
Never exceed either the approved axle weights
or the gross vehicle weight.
lbs. (kg) 220 (100)
Luggage compartment capacity cu ft (liters) 16.2 (460)
Online Edition for Part No. 01 41 0 155 429 - � 09/00 BMW AG


>With driver?  I've never seen a vehicle weight listed that way.  I think
>4024 lb curb weight is about right for an E39 M5.  That is full fluids,
>including fuel, but no driver.
>
>Gary Derian
> >
> > I've seen many different figures on the net, and don't know for sure 
>which
> > one is correct, but the M5 owner's manual says 4024 lbs. *with* driver 
>and
>a
> > full tank of gas. If it's the standard 75 kg man they're speaking of, it
> > would be 3859 lbs gassed up. 18.5 gallons of gas I *think* weighs about
>114
> > lbs., making it 3745 lbs. dry. Don't know if that helps...
> >
> > rss
>
>

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:14:58 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E39M% weight
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That's amazing.  I remember putting my E34 M5 on the scales at the
racetrack, it was 3842 with me out of it.
I would have guessed the E39 was wayyy heavier.  I guess I'm wrong.
Jon

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Subject: Re: [UUC] E39M% weight


> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Hi Gary,
> I thought it odd too, but here it is, copied directly from the manual -- 
> page 186.
> Also, *most* sources place the curb weight at about 3850 lbs., which would
> be in line with this.
> rss
>
> Weights
> BMW M5
> Curb weight (with one person, ready for operation, full tank of fuel,
> options not included)
> lbs. (kg) 4,024 (1,825)
> Approved gross vehicle weight lbs. (kg) 5,049 (2,290)
> Approved front axle weight lbs. (kg) 2,426 (1,100)
> Approved rear axle weight lbs. (kg) 2,701 (1,225)
> Approved roof load capacity
> Never exceed either the approved axle weights
> or the gross vehicle weight.
> lbs. (kg) 220 (100)
> Luggage compartment capacity cu ft (liters) 16.2 (460)
> Online Edition for Part No. 01 41 0 155 429 - � 09/00 BMW AG
>
>
> >With driver?  I've never seen a vehicle weight listed that way.  I think
> >4024 lb curb weight is about right for an E39 M5.  That is full fluids,
> >including fuel, but no driver.
> >
> >Gary Derian
> > >
> > > I've seen many different figures on the net, and don't know for sure
> >which
> > > one is correct, but the M5 owner's manual says 4024 lbs. *with* driver
> >and
> >a
> > > full tank of gas. If it's the standard 75 kg man they're speaking of,
it
> > > would be 3859 lbs gassed up. 18.5 gallons of gas I *think* weighs
about
> >114
> > > lbs., making it 3745 lbs. dry. Don't know if that helps...
> > >
> > > rss
> >
> >
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:32:36 -0500
From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: <ADMIN> subject lines in all caps (was WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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- Rob



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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:36:39 -0800
From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The BMW NA website pegged the E39 M5 at 4024lb.

The BMW Germany site had it a little under 3900lb.

The question was always what condition ('wet' with full, or half, etc. tank 
of gasoline), options (was moonroof standard on Euro M5, it'd easily 
account for a 75lb difference itself) etc?

John.






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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:40:16 -0800
From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Chris, we collect a lot of this kind of info in the Golden Gate Chapter BMW
Car Club Autocross Database.  From sales data published by BMW or made
available on their BMW USA web site:

E46 M3 curb weight = 3415 lbs
E39 M5 curb weight = 4024 lbs

Those are for manual transmission cars.  I'm guessing that SMG cars may be a
bit heavier.  For an alternate source, try www.cars.com.  Or for the M5, try
your owner's manual.

HTH,

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA

>Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:53:05 -0800
>From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Anyone know where I can get the vehicle weights of the e39 M5 and the
>e46 M3?  I'm sure there's an online reference (or maybe someone knows
>off-hand?)
>
>Chris
>89 M3 http://www.inlacal.com
>91 M5
>93 850ci
>98 M Roadster
>00 M5
>01 X5




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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:03:02 -0800
From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ****SPAM**** Re: WEIGHT OF THE E46 M3 AND E39 M5
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 11:53 AM 11/15/2003 -0800, Chris Marino wrote:
>Anyone know where I can get the vehicle weights of the e39 M5 and the
>e46 M3?  I'm sure there's an online reference (or maybe someone knows
>off-hand?)

Here is the weight of my co-driver's 2002 E46 M3 with sunroof, all seat 
options, and Nav:

M3 weight
7/16 tank of gas
3342 pounds
Rear 49.4
Front 50.5

This was on SCCA scales.

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:07:21 -0800
From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BMW UUC List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: ****SPAM**** E46 M3 weight (not all caps  :-)
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At 09:03 AM 11/16/2003 -0800, Rex Tener wrote:
>At 11:53 AM 11/15/2003 -0800, Chris Marino wrote:
>>Anyone know where I can get the vehicle weights of the e39 M5 and the
>>e46 M3?  I'm sure there's an online reference (or maybe someone knows
>>off-hand?)
>
>Here is the weight of my co-driver's 2002 E46 M3 with sunroof, all seat 
>options, and Nav:
>
>M3 weight
>7/16 tank of gas
>3342 pounds
>Rear 49.4
>Front 50.5
>
>This was on SCCA scales.
>
>--
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  >Here is the weight of my co-driver's 2002 E46 M3 with sunroof, all
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:14:24 -0500
From: Steve Lilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BMW UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help! Warranty Gold Ltd. Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Notice
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Can anyone comment on this announcement...what the heck do
all those words say??  I've got one of the Warranty Gold
extended warranties that is affected.  :-(  Should I file an
objection, and what will that do for me?  Or is this just
letting me know that I'm out $1800 bucks, and there's
nothing I can do about it?

Confused as usual,
Steve
(first and last time I ever get an extended warranty)

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  Subject: Warranty Gold Ltd. Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Notice
  Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:11:31 -0600

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  Chapter 11 Limited Partnership Asset Case

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:08:25 -0800
From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 61 31 1 384 739 ?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My friend Bill had an '89 325iC.  When he sold it, he had a few leftover
parts.  He gave me a coolant level sender, part number 61 31 1 384 739.  I
know these things get flaky and I knew I'd need it one day.

Well, that day has come.  But this sender is too short for my car, so it
would always show that the level is low.  I don't need a new sender to do
that, my old broken one already does that - show false low coolant.

I don't have a working ETK, but I checked the Bav Auto web site.  They list
part number 61 31 1 378 320 for all 325i models from 1987 to 1990.  They
also have the 61 31 1 384 739, but I have no way of finding the application
from their web site, short of guessing a lot.

So can anyone tell me what car this sender fits?  I'd love to give it to a
local Bimmerhead, but I don't know if it is for an Isetta or a 745Li.

TIA,

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
1990 325i w/ bad coolant level sender
1991 325iA w/ good coolant level sender




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