The BMW UUC Digest Volume 1 : Issue 24 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: FS: E36 Hawk Brakes for track only... Re: Bleeding question Re: Bleeding question Speaking of poor performance...E28 Re: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Re: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Re: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Wanted: 19 or 20" rims for my e39 Re: Curb weight Re: E30 323a Euro Re: E30 325i Emmission Question Warranty Gold Could someone run a VIN for me? Intermittent Starting Problems Re: Intermittent Starting Problems
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:32:12 +0000 From: "Vijay Nuthulapaty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FS: E36 Hawk Brakes for track only... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check out this for sale on e-bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2443691638 Vijay 00 740iL 98 M3/4 _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:39:35 -0600 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bleeding question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've never bled the clutch when doing the brakes, though I wonder if somehow the fluid might circulate enough to become 'freshened' over time. When I replaced my MC, I *did not* bleed the clutch cylinder. I thought I might have problems, but I didn't. I disconnected the hose going to the resevoir and left it unplugged while I fiddled w/everything else. I did not notice any difference in the clutch action nor did I have any problems. It may just be stupid luck, but I'm not complaining. YMMV Clarence West Bend, WI Scott wrote: > > Yes, climbing under the car is a PITA. > > Correct, if no problems with the clutch, air in the brake side should > *probably* not affect the clutch side - *normally*. > > Yes, the pedal slowly going to the floor is a master cylinder symptom. > And > guess what? When you replace it, you'll have to remove the reservoir, > and > when you put in the new MC, you'll have to bleed everything, including > the > damn clutch. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:19:57 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bleeding question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But wouldn't you eventually want to change that fluid in the clutch line? It may not be quite as safety-related as the brakes, but it can still absorb water. I guess I just don't understand why you would not bleed the clutch, at least occasionally. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA Clarence said: >I've never bled the clutch when doing the brakes, though I wonder if >somehow the fluid might circulate enough to become 'freshened' over time. > >When I replaced my MC, I *did not* bleed the clutch cylinder. I thought I >might have problems, but I didn't. I disconnected the hose going to the >resevoir and left it unplugged while I fiddled w/everything else. I did >not notice any difference in the clutch action nor did I have any >problems. It may just be stupid luck, but I'm not complaining. > >YMMV >Clarence >West Bend, WI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:53:32 -0800 From: "T WALROD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmw digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My fuel "economy" is down to around 18mpg average/tank, vs. 20mpg a few tanks ago. I notice that the temp gauge is reading around the 1/4 mark vs. just shy of the middle, where I'm used to seeing it run. Exhaust smells pretty rich. Ambient temps have moved into crappy range here lately. Same sort of driving patterns. Whaddaya think - do I have a failed thermostat, leading the car to run in open loop? Other guesses? Thanks, Tom '83 533i (just about time to pull off the Yoko Avs100s and mount the ugly utilitarian steel wheeled M&S tahrs) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:58:35 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Did your area's gas stations recently switch to oxygenated/reforumulated gasoline? - Rob ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UUC] Speaking of poor performance...E28 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:53:32 -0800 > >My fuel "economy" is down to around 18mpg average/tank, vs. 20mpg a >few >tanks ago. I notice that the temp gauge is reading around the 1/4 >mark vs. >just shy of the middle, where I'm used to seeing it run. Exhaust >smells >pretty rich. Ambient temps have moved into crappy range here lately. >Same >sort of driving patterns. Whaddaya think - do I have a failed >thermostat, >leading the car to run in open loop? Other guesses? > >Thanks, Tom '83 533i (just about time to pull off the Yoko Avs100s >and >mount the ugly utilitarian steel wheeled M&S tahrs) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:09:24 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Might also be the cold-start sensor, right next to the regular temp sensor. This makes it run rich until the temps rise. You can do the old "cup of hot water and voltmeter test" or simply replace a few suspect sensors, at the very least preventatively. The second one falls into GaryD's "lake test" category. Along the same lines, the cold start injector could be bad and stuck open... but that should cause a more obvious problem, unless it could be stuck open just a small amount. Suspicion could also be pointed at the O2 sensor. - Rob >---- Original Message ---- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [UUC] Speaking of poor performance...E28 >>If so they haven't posted the change. The temp gauge doesn't come >up to the >>middle even after a 12 mile drive, which is why I'm suspecting the >>thermostat. >> >>Tom >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Did your area's gas stations recently switch to >>oxygenated/reforumulated gasoline? >> >>- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:30:15 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "T WALROD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Speaking of poor performance...E28 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom, I would think it is either the coolant temp sensor thinking that the coolant is colder than it really is, or the thermostat opening too much. The sensor it easier to replace, and the Bentley manual has the impedance you should get at various temperatures. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA Tom wrote: >My fuel "economy" is down to around 18mpg average/tank, vs. 20mpg a few >tanks ago. I notice that the temp gauge is reading around the 1/4 mark vs. >just shy of the middle, where I'm used to seeing it run. Exhaust smells >pretty rich. Ambient temps have moved into crappy range here lately. Same >sort of driving patterns. Whaddaya think - do I have a failed thermostat, >leading the car to run in open loop? Other guesses? > >Thanks, Tom '83 533i (just about time to pull off the Yoko Avs100s and >mount the ugly utilitarian steel wheeled M&S tahrs) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:29:17 -0800 From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Wanted: 19 or 20" rims for my e39 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Group, I'm looking for a set of 19 or 20" rims/tires for my e39 5 series. My preferences are below: AC Schnitzer type III BBS Hartge Alpina I'm looking for something that's wider than stock in the rear (at least 10" wide vs 9.5" for stock). If you have a set, please let me know. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:18:16 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Curb weight Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: "When did BMW re-define "curb weight"? It used to be a full tank and all fluids topped off, and all standard factory equipment, but no cargo or passsengers. Or is it different in the various markets?" It's a market thing. The EU standard includes 68 kg for the driver and 7 kg for luggage. And, bizarrely and illogically, a 90% full tank. So quotes on (for example) the bmw.com website are likely to be according to this "native" standard. Factory equipment also varies, of course. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:03:47 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 323a Euro Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "I have purchased and 1986 323a in France which I will keep for a year., It has 117,000 km, and is in good shape, save for the following. The fuel consumption is abnormally high, and I suspect a faulty o2 sensor. However, before I go through the various suspects (water temp sensor, 02 sensor, etc), can anyone tell me what the differences are between the 323 engine and the 325. I'd be greatful. As for the rest of the car, it is a curious hybride between the "bottom scale " 316 and the 325 US. It has front electric windows, but cranks in the rear, and a cranking sunroof. Surprisingly, it does not have power steering, which makes for a great road feel when it's moving, but parking is a pain. Also, if John Firestone is on this list (or if anyhone knows his e-mail) could he please contact me off list: I'd like some info on buying parts in France or Germany." A well-equipped E30 was only common in US/Canada/Asia-Pac. European versions, in particular French ones, do not have much equipment to speak of. Without being gratiutous about it, even electric front windows are not common. A friend of mine in Sweden used to run an E34 535i that had manual-crank *front* windows, but I thought that was going too far. Some other points: There is unlikely to be a catalytic converter. (They certainly weren't standard.) So unless you can say for certain that there is a cat, you can discount the O2 sensor. Are you sure this car is a 1986 model? In late 1985 the 323i became the 325i. I know this because my mum bought a 325i in January 1986, a few months after they were launched across the Channel. C975 FJO, Delphin Grey, if anyone here has seen it :). It's conceivable your car might have been one of the very last E30 323s, registered after the introduction of the 325i. Which brings me neatly onto my next point: specification. The capacity was 3215 cc (I also saw 3216 cc), and the power output from late '83 was 150 bhp @ 6,000 rpm. Before that, it was 139 bhp. This was less than the old E21 323i, which sported 143 bhp. Torque was 151 lb-ft. The engine code is M20B23. Apart from the engine management and ignition system, it's the same engine as you'll find in the E21 323i (where it was called M60, 15 years before the crumbly V8s arrived with the same engine code). So we have gone M60-M20-M50, all with the same bore centres. In about five years' time we'll be back at M60 again. I don't have that much technical detail, but I can tell you that the 323i's engine used Bosch L-Jetronic. The 325i used Motronic, which AIUI was the first truly integrated ignition/fuelling/engine management system. The 323i's bore/stroke was 80mm/76.8mm while the 325i's was (and still is, in E46 guise) 84mm/75mm. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:40:52 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Emmission Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The car appears to have a lean misfire. Try opening the valve adjustment up, rather than having it tighter than stock. Go to 12 thou cold. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > Measurements are in GPM, I don't know the dollar limits, but certainly > they are less than what I have spent. I am unwilling to knowingly drive > a poorly performing car, however, and am considering this next "fee > free" test as validation of a correct repair. > Ed > KMS - Brett Anderson wrote: > >What is the state limit for spending on a repair before you get waived? > >Also, what are the measurements? GPM, %, PPM? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:36:55 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Warranty Gold Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is the explanation from their website regarding Warranty Gold's bankruptcy reorganization. "It is important for you to know that Warranty Gold remains in business. It is necessary for us to stay in business in order to work for you and be able to honor any repair claims that must be resolved. We also remain in business to stand behind our reputation and to provide the level of service Warranty Gold is known for, today and for years to come. However, as a result of National Warranty's liquidation and the inability to quickly recover funds sufficient to either pay all of the repair claims and pro-rated refunds accruing under the contracts issued prior to June 7, 2003, Warranty Gold has sought the protection of Chapter 11, Title 11, of the United States Code. Warranty Gold is in the process of a court-supervised reorganization of its assets and liabilities. Through this reorganization, Warranty Gold intends to dedicate and set aside sufficient assets to hopefully pay claims arising from the pre-June 7 contracts." _________________________________________________________________________ Live, laugh, and chat with friends about BMWs, Porsches, Jaguars and the new MINI at The World's Largest Auto Enthusiast Site http://www.roadfly.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: tabe johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Could someone run a VIN for me? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I'm car shopping again... Would anyone mind running the following VIN through Carfax for me? WV2ZB0252KH006463 Many thanks! --tabe johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vancouver, BC 1988 325is ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:40:16 -0500 From: "Robert Jackowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Intermittent Starting Problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My '89 325i has recently developed some cold-start problems. Car cranks fine and I can hear the fuel pump working, but engine won't "turn over". Car will eventually start after 5 - 7 tries and then runs fine. Symptoms are sporadic as is fires up fine half-the-time but gives me problems the other half. No air leaks found in the intake and I recently replaced spark plugs and battery with no improvement. I have a new main relay and fuel pump relay that I will put in tonight. I guess my next thought would be the fuel pressure regulator. Was wondering if anyone has experienced a similar malady or can suggest other things to check. Thanks, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:38:06 -0500 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Jackowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Intermittent Starting Problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob asks > My '89 325i has recently developed some cold-start problems. > Car cranks fine and I can hear the fuel pump working, but engine won't > "turn over". Car will eventually start after 5 - 7 tries and then runs > fine. Symptoms are sporadic as is fires up fine half-the-time but gives me It's not due to the 'car-wash' syndrome is it? where you wash the car (typically), then start it up and drive it into the garage, then turn it off (run time of like 5 seconds).. then leave it sitting overnight. (or similarly need to swap cars around in the driveway or move it 2 feet or something) If you do that with an E30, it more often then not will give you very hard starting problems the next morning (because it basically floods due to the short run time the night before) especially during colder weather. I've also found with M20 and Motronic, you are much better off turning key, cranking the engine for a longer time rather than doing this multiple times with shorter duration. The cold start extra squirt of fuel when you first crank will tend to flood the engine if you do it a few times in a row. We also had a local club member that was getting intermittent starting problems and it turned out to the ECU (do you have a spare to try?). Chris Pawlowicz Stebro Stainless Performance Exhaust http://cpcperformance.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
