The BMW UUC Digest Volume 1 : Issue 31 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Lug Bolt Torque Re: Part number check Re: Where did all the traffic go? Re: Where did all the traffic go? Re: Where did all the traffic go? Re: Where did all the traffic go? ADMIN: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Re: CARFAX-SLAM/Book values Re: CARFAX-SLAM Re: Lug Nut Torque Re: Lug Nut Torque Castro Valley CA shop? Re: Where did all the traffic go? Valve adjustment and engine compression? Re: San Diego
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:34:06 -0700 From: "Bob Sutterfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lug Bolt Torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Keywords: BMW I use my cordless impact wrench at part-throttle to spin the bolts in while mounting the wheels, then my torque wrench to tighten the bolts to spec. I have experienced Discount Tire grossly overtorquing my bolts and grossly underinflating my tire. Now I have the service writer put "hand tool install only" on my ticket. And I still hover outside the bay to keep an eye on the guy doing the work, because I've had them start to ignore the note. -- Bob Sutterfield '87 E30 325iS http://bmwe30.net #1129 DAS KAR '88 E28 535iS http://m535i.org #154 IHR FUNF '93 T4 EV MV Weekender BELUGA BMWCCA #169277 Rocky Mountain Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Steve.Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Part number check Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chet Dawes suggested that the correct front rotor for my 1999 E36 323is was 34 11 1 165 455 so I called up a different dealer from the one who sold me the rotors to check. It turns out 165 455 is the old number, which has been superceded by 34 11 1 164 431 Interesting that the "newer" number is lower than the "older" one; the minds of Bavarian engineers must work in strange ways. If anyone else cares... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:57:02 -0500 From: UUC Digest Monitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Digest goes through cycles. It's pretty normal behavior for this list. There are times it's insanely busy and times that it gets a little slow. We just changed list software as well, and changes like that always throw people off a bit. At 09:45 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I recently resubscribed to this list after a six or more month >absence. There used to be two or three digests a day; now there's much, >much less. > >Where did all the message traffic go? > >--tabe johnson >Vancouver BC >1988 325is Michael K Donohue System Administrator UUC Digest http://www.uucdigest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:26:52 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Definitely a big drop in volume following the promotion of Majordomo. Is this coincidental? rss >I recently resubscribed to this list after a six or more month absence. >There used to be two or three digests a day; now there's much, much less. > >Where did all the message traffic go? > >--tabe johnson Vancouver BC 1988 325is > _________________________________________________________________ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:54:07 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Definitely a big drop in volume following the promotion of Majordomo. Is > this coincidental? I do believe it is partly due to replies going back to the original poster rather than the list by default. Or perhaps that's how I have my options set. ...steven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:05:36 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That got me on a recent post. And by the time I figured out it had happened the info was stale enough that I didn't feel like reposting to the list. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze some Volvos other cars ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Where did all the traffic go? > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Definitely a big drop in volume following the promotion of Majordomo. Is > > this coincidental? > > I do believe it is partly due to replies going back to the original poster > rather than the list by default. Or perhaps that's how I have my options > set. > > ...steven com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ADMIN: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The current list config is set to default to reply to the sender as opposed to the list. This is likely part of it, you aren't seeing the "chatter" that you saw before. Speaking of which, let's take this thread off-list. The non-BMW content is likely boring those who could care less about list nonsense. > Definitely a big drop in volume following the promotion of Majordomo. Is > this coincidental? > rss Regards, Your BMWUUCDIGEST Monitors ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:59:59 -0500 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CARFAX-SLAM/Book values Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chris, I am glad that you came forward with this. I have people come in all of the time and tell me that their car is perfect according to CARFAX only to find out that the whole car has been painted and it is actually two different cars welded back together and painted VERY well to cover up the mishap. For the more knowledgeable of us out here, if you have a serious collision and don't want to have it show up on your car's history report, just pay for the damages out of your pocket and never make a claim with your insurance company and "voila", you now have a clean and straight title with a car that has been creamed! I see this all of the time. It is just unfortunate that the general population believes WAY too much in the marketers of this (CARFAX) type of product. And while we are at it, what about BOOK values. Come on people, a car is only worth what someone is willing to cut a check for, not what some book says it should be worth. Next time you want book value for an older car, see if you can get the book to cut you a check!!! Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:46:20 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CARFAX-SLAM Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chris Marino wrote: >In a rare departure from civility, I would have to state that 'carfax >sucks'. > >I could continue this vitriolic diatribe for hours. What I can say about >Carfax is that, in no way, should anyone depend upon them 100%. They are, >at best, a weak reference or indicator of a cars' potential history. I knew you all would come around. Not to say I told you so, but: At 12:23 AM -0400 7/24/03, Phil Marx wrote: >Sorry, I think Carfax is a bunch of bunk that has been built up as >some dealer tool and now is being used against the consumer. IMHO. The information they need to do what they say they do just isn't available to them and much of the information they do use just isn't accurate. Shit in, shit out. An apparently successful business model built on the early Internet schemes of selling vapor. -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:57:42 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lug Nut Torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brett: This is exactly how the Roush guys did it for all development testing (noise testing requires tires with a certain tread and we shaved them to spec to get the quietest possible ride). If I had air tools, I'd use them to spin on the bolts (nuts on the 944) as well. I'm surprised you don't torque by feel, feeling for bolt stretch, as Gary Derian does. I do this all the time now and find 100% consistent feel when removing the bolts. I really like this method. Thanks to my friend John Aho who gave me a thread chaser as a going away present when I left Detroit, I also chase and keep all my threads clean so the torque method would be accurate enough, but I like the engineering aspect of the feel for stretch method. Neil Deshpande *** "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> While it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the above is accurate. One might note that some techs use the impact to spin the lugs in WITHOUT tightening them down, then torque with a torque wrench. I do this on a regular basis. It's a pain to screw in 5 lugs by hand when you have an air tool beside you that can do it quickly. Any decent impact gun will allow partial throttle, so that even at the strongest torque setting, you're getting no where near where you need to be as far as final torque goes. My IR2131 is old, but still allows this control. With the torque wrench set at 85ft lb., I usually get at least 1/4 turn of the bolt before the click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:29:46 -0500 From: "John Weese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lug Nut Torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brett Anderson writes: <<.... One might note that some techs use the impact to spin the lugs in WITHOUT tightening them down, then torque with a torque wrench. I do this on a regular basis. It's a pain to screw in 5 lugs by hand when you have an air tool beside you that can do it quickly. Any decent impact gun will allow partial throttle, so that even at the strongest torque setting, you're getting no where near where you need to be as far as final torque goes. My IR2131 is old, but still allows this control. With the torque wrench set at 85ft lb., I usually get at least 1/4 turn of the bolt before the click.>> EXACTLY, and if I was a full time mechanic I'd probably do the same thing. The one place that I will take my cars and let them mount tires on my alloy wheels, etc. is a dumpy tire place in town, BUT they have a top notch Hunter tire machine, AND ...the first time I took a car there they used the impact wrench to merely spin the lugs on and then used a torque wrench to "my preferred setting".....I've been going back there ever since. Most of us don't use an impact wrench because we aren't setup in our garages for "volume work & efficiency". I used to "cringe" at the thought of anyone using an impact wrench on my wheels, but as long as the work is done like Brett describes, I have no problem with it....trust in your mechanic means much to me also! I'd "NEVER" go to Costco, Pep Boys, or any place like that with "any" of my cars....the day that happens, you might as well bury me :-) John Weese BMW CCA #76646 _________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau (my '02 buddy) - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:22:26 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Castro Valley CA shop? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear listers and lurkers: Anyone know of a trusted shop/tech in Castro Valley, CA area to perform a pre-purchase inspection for me? The fleet is expanding, this time with an '88 super eta 528e. Thanks in advance. Love the new digest. Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:22:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Where did all the traffic go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, tabe johnson wrote: > I recently resubscribed to this list after > a six or more month absence. There used to > be two or three digests a day; now there's > much, much less. > > Where did all the message traffic go? Whoa, you missed all the good stuff! There have been rapid developments, and it turns out the supercharger that runs on electricity functions really, really well now! We're all having so much fun driving our cars that we don't have time for much email. ;-) -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:36:56 -0800 From: Olivia Teich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Valve adjustment and engine compression? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yesterday I was informed that compression in three of my six cylinders is a little low. The readings were: 150 140 150 120 110 150, though I may have the order slightly wrong. This was done at a shop I had never been to before (and I wasn't exactly thrilled at an hour and a half inspection taking over three hours). First, is this something to be concerned about and/or something that should actually be fixed now? I have been getting mixed and very ambiguous responses from my mechanic and the one who did the test on what this means and how it bodes for the long-term performance of the engine. There is no noticeable loss of pickup and the car drives very well, as even the guy who did the test agreed. The buyer was in love with the car (she tore the For Sale sign out of the window when someone asked about the car in the middle of our test drive), but she is very wary of this particular issue on a car she plans to keep for a long time. Second, is the valve adjustment I had done 4 months/3K miles ago in any way related to the compression numbers, and if so, should I get readings like this with such a recent valve adjustment? (After a few questionable experiences recently, including a one year old oil pan gasket that has been leaking again, the motor in my convertible top breaking the first time I used it after they had gotten it stuck while trying to operate it with the frame flexed on the lift, etc., I am beginning to wonder about my trusted shop which came so highly recommended...) I am taking the car in this afternoon to have the oil pan gasket fixed. Any advice on what I can or should do about the compression readings while it's there? Thanks in advance for any advice! Beleaguered in California, Olivia 325ic <- for sale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:49:26 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: San Diego Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kathy, I don't remember the name of the place but it if you take the launch from the Marriot to the mainland side, cross the metro tracks at the station side and bear right there is a breakfast place at a building corner that is great. If you're into breakfast. I think the name is also the address of the place. What kind of things do you guys like to do? -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
