The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 587 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: CTS-V comments was GTO Re: CTS-V comments was GTO Parking Brake Pedals Re: Parking Brake Pedals Re: GTO Re: GTO Now BMW positive displacement blower Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) e36 brake torque specs Re: e36 brake torque specs Re: e36 brake torque specs Re: e36 brake torque specs [Fwd: Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] Re: [Fwd: Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] Re: [Fwd: Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians]
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:46:13 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee SEA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CTS-V comments was GTO Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Apparently you aren't familiar with Jim Conforti's efforts, > you might want to look into it. > > Regards, > > Rich I've got his chip & can't find anything on a brief internet search for his supercharger. I was just commenting on the fact that supercharger kits I've seen haven't been the most reliable, which is something one would expect when making such a drastic modification to an engine. Most of the failures have to do with extra hardware routing or dissipating the much increased temperature, for which the system was never designed. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:51:22 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CTS-V comments was GTO Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote: > I've got his chip & can't find anything on a brief internet search for his > supercharger. didn't try very hard I guess :-) http://www.sharked.com/supercharger.html > I was just commenting on the fact that supercharger kits I've seen haven't > been the most reliable, which is something one would expect when making such > a drastic modification to an engine. Most of the failures have to do with > extra hardware routing or dissipating the much increased temperature, for > which the system was never designed. look at the JimC kit & the information about it & get back to us. Jim knows his sh!t. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Parking Brake Pedals Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marco wrote: "Makes e-brake turns a bit interesting." My friend in high school had a Dodge Monaco 440 and rigged up the parking brake pedal so it didn't lock and would return to off position. Way better than a handle and great for quick parallel parking jobs. Kevin Kelly __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:48:45 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Parking Brake Pedals Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hmmmm -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kjk Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] Parking Brake Pedals Marco wrote: "Makes e-brake turns a bit interesting." My friend in high school had a Dodge Monaco 440 and rigged up the parking brake pedal so it didn't lock and would return to off position. Way better than a handle and great for quick parallel parking jobs. Kevin Kelly __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:33:45 -0800 From: Roger Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: GTO Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee, I've driven many of these cars with so called "better brakes" and the simple fact is they don't really work much better, if at all. Pedal feel improvement??? The brakes on my old e36 M3 still have better feel than any CTS-V, GTO, AMG, STI, or EVO I've ever test driven. My C55 AMG's brakes may be bigger & cooler looking than my M3's, and are capable of dissipating a little more heat up front, but even on the track they don't work any better than my M3's. And this includes initial bite, feel, and ultimate stopping power. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer the cooler looking brakes on the M3, but hey, they work, and I can do brakes on that car for far less that what some of my buddies with STI's and EVO's can. -- Roger "Robinson, Lee SEA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <>So, the TL is a track car? No, multi-piston calipers are to improve > pedal feel & initial bite. One of the reasons that a lot of folks with > E30 M3s are looking towards these style brakes is that the replacement > parts are LESS expensive. I'm pretty sure that Brembo rotors aren't > nearly that expensive. FWIW, I'd bet BMW DOES charge at least $400 > bucks for a front brake job. > > I see a lot of companies advertising multi-piston brakes for the E46 > M3, so they must be a popular upgrade. It must be annoying for someone > to pay $52 large for a car & then have to spend a few thousand more to > upgrade to the kind of brakes a $35k Subaru comes with. Keep in mind, > a most people with these kind of brakes in cars never use them either. > > Is BMW trying to portray the E46 M3 as the best sports car on the > market or not? Based on the number of soccer moms I see driving them > around N. Atlanta, I guess not....... > >Lee > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GTO Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ben: Could this be the same Ben Keyes that pokes fun at me for making "subjective" decisions about my means of transportation? <grin> Showed an uninformed 540i 6sp-driving young lady the M5 engine this weekend (trying to explain the difference in brake booster configs between the V8 and I6 motors during a brake flush procedure on the 6sp) and she said, "Wow, your engine looks so much nicer!" I'd have loved to have been modest, but I'd have been lying! Neil Deshpande 92 M5 - 100mi/day commuter, not quite 330HP! Bought mostly for pedigree and looks, has been on track, but not with me driving, never raced and never will be, and I get the most pleasure working on some aspect of it and enjoying the way something or the other was done by the folks in Garching. *** Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm sure they are annoyed & that they don't use them. most people don't need 330hp to get to work either, but they buy it. it's all about marketing & it doesn't make sense. it's not supposed to. it's a mistake trying to apply logic to a situation like this. Ben frequently illogical and knows it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:58:38 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Now BMW positive displacement blower Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This looks like a really nice setup. I had a Kenne Bell blower on my 98 Cobra and LOVED the torque and power it made. Personally, I don't think there is ANY comparison between a pd blower and a cent. blower, unless you are strickly a quarter mile guy. For the street, I think the PD blower is better than even a turbo. How much power are the stock E36 M3 internals good for and how much power can the stock tranny take (with a new clutch that is)? With the Cobra (96-01), the stock internals were good for about 400-450 rwhp, but after that, the pistons/rods crapped out. Is the BMW stuff good for 350 rwhp+? Lastly, how well does the computer take to being supercharged? With my old KB setup, I ended up having to disable a lot of timing features, IAT, etc. Thanks, -Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:27:06 -0800 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The current M3 is heavier by over 200lbs, and everyone seems to think it's > light years better than the E36. In fully-optioned form, it's 700lbs more > than an E30 M3, and I think everyone here would tell you, "you're nuts" if > you said it handled better than an E46 M3. I don't think I'd say 'everyone', and are we talking about a US-market E36 (240HP) or a rest-of-world E36 (321HP)? Also, speed and ultimate grip are not necessarily the measure of 'handling', though a car that feels wonderful and beautifully-balanced with 200HP can be right scary with 300. Whether a CTS-V is faster than an E46 M3 probably depends a lot on the course (and the driver) involved - the V-car is bigger and a little heavier and not a lot of tire for its size, but a better suspension design to make use of what tire it does have, and a much fatter torque curve. Money, maintenance, etc. aside I think I'd take an E36 w/S54 over an E46. Plus, that way I could get a sedan. I never buy cars with frameless door glass. Well, hardly ever (there's a '65 Mustang convertible in my side yard awaiting some serious restomod work) but I doubt an M3 would be one of the exceptions. I'm not planning on tossing my E39 M5 anytime soon, but if by some unfortunate occurrence it got squashed tomorrow (and I was able to walk away) I'd have a silver CTS-V in the driveway next week. John. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:37 -0500 From: Carl Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: e36 brake torque specs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm helping a friend change rotors and pads (front and rear) on an e36 328iC over the weekend. A very straight-forward job, but I no longer have an e36 (or the manual) and can't remember the torque specs for caliper bracket bolts, guide pins and rotor mounting set screws. Could someone please send them to me? Just in case, this is a convertible - this made some difference purchasing the parts, but I'm not sure if it affects the torque specs. Thanks very much, Carl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: e36 brake torque specs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, March 15, 2005 10:55 am, Carl Scholz said: > I'm helping a friend change rotors and pads (front and rear) on an e36 > 328iC over the weekend. A very straight-forward job, but I no longer > have an e36 (or the manual) and can't remember the torque specs for > caliper bracket bolts, guide pins and rotor mounting set screws. Could > someone please send them to me? This is from memory, but I've done a fair share of pad/rotor changes on E36s (but someone with a Bentley handy, feel free to clarify/correct): Caliper bracket bolts: 81 ft-lbs F, 57 ft-lbs R Guide pins: 22 ft-lbs Rotor set screw: some small value <g>, I usually get it as tight as I can by hand. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 brake torque specs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, March 15, 2005 11:27 am, Jim Bassett said: > Rotor set screw: > some small value <g>, I usually get it as tight as I can by hand. I should clarify: I'm a 133lb-weakling <g>, and although I tighten this screw with an allen socket on my 3/8" ratchet, I don't generate all that much torque :-) Someone should probably supply the correct torque spec, though. :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:47:02 -0800 From: "Reed Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 brake torque specs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The torque for the rotor mounting screw is 16Nm (12ft-lb). > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Bassett > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] e36 brake torque specs > > On Tue, March 15, 2005 11:27 am, Jim Bassett said: > > Rotor set screw: > > some small value <g>, I usually get it as tight as I can by hand. > > I should clarify: I'm a 133lb-weakling <g>, and although I > tighten this screw with an allen socket on my 3/8" ratchet, I > don't generate all that much torque :-) > > Someone should probably supply the correct torque spec, though. :-) > > Cheers, > Jim Bassett > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:02:34 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]>, bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This thread comes from a bicycling digest. I checked the date of the original posting, and it wasn't April 1 (<: Anyone know more about this, maybe some European list subscribers? tia, Barry Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] If seatbelts, airbags, antilock brakes, and other features have made motorists worry less about crashing into things, will this new feature make motorists worry less about crashing into pedestrians and cyclists? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:53:30 GMT Subject: Re: [SVBC] SUV versus compacts Beginning in late year 2005, European Union Regulators will require all new cars to meet standards protecting pedestrians and bicyclists against head and leg injuries. These standards become more stringent in 2010. The safety mandates affect all manufacturers, including North American and Asian manufacturers who sell new vehicles in Europe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:30:40 -0800 From: "Reed Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "'bmw digest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "If seatbelts, airbags, antilock brakes, and other features have made motorists worry less about crashing into things, will this new feature make motorists worry less about crashing into pedestrians and cyclists?" That's a pretty big "if". Is there evidence that people worry less about crashing because of safety devices? Seems unlikely to me. Reed/Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This news is a bit old. The regulations dictate space between sheetmetal and hard objects. E.g., hoods will be higher and longer to permit cushion space around the engine, etc. Pedestrians getting hit by cars is a pretty big problem in Europe. I wish governments would focus on improving the drivers instead of engineering their stupidity out of the equation. -tammer --- JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This thread comes from a bicycling digest. I checked > the date of the > original posting, and it wasn't April 1 (<: > Anyone know more about this, maybe some European list > subscribers? > tia, > Barry > > Re: [SVBC] Crashing more safely into pedestrians] > > If seatbelts, airbags, antilock brakes, and other > features have made > motorists worry less about crashing into things, will > this new feature > make motorists worry less about crashing into pedestrians > and cyclists? > > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:53:30 GMT > Subject: Re: [SVBC] SUV versus compacts > > Beginning in late year 2005, European Union Regulators > will require all > new cars to meet standards protecting pedestrians and > bicyclists against > head and leg injuries. These standards become more > stringent in 2010. > The safety mandates affect all manufacturers, including > North American > and Asian manufacturers who sell new vehicles in Europe. > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
