The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 591 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Real M Cars Re: Real M Cars Re: <e36> Air Bag Light <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is Re: <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is Re: <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:03:03 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the lesson. I'm pretty familiar with the engines and the intakes since I've been designing a franken motor for CR racing over the past year. When I mentioned the multiple throttle bodies set up my head designer basically said for a street car yes he'd recommend it, for a race car if I really wanted to waste my money he'd do it, but until we built and dynoed the motor to keep the $$s in my wallet. Refreshing to have a contractor to say something like that. One thing you fail to mention is that for the S50 US motor where the hp difference vs the Euro 3.0L was more like 40hp, not 80, were that solid lifters and a higher rpm (281 at 7K rpm vs 240 at 6Kwere available and the US motor had the same exhaust manifold as the M50, not headers. I also believe the US motor had more torque at certain parts of the power band. So yes it is hard to compare engines. Also for the 3.2 liter motor the backwards step BMW took with the S/M52 intake manifold which flows much worse than the M50 contributed to the 80 hp differential. And don't forget the difference in HFM diameters between the engines. So while the fancy smancy multiple throttle body stuff probably did contribute to the hp difference it probably isn't as much as you think and from a cost effectiveness point not in my racing budget. One interesting thing from my experience so far is that in the words of my head guy "BMW really knows there stuff", he was hard pressed to get 12% better flow out of the head, whereas just about with any other stock head from other companies he regularly exceeds 20% and in some cases for things like Harley heads way more than that. Having said all that I am concerned that the limiting factor will be the intake manifold, however if we reach my hp goals and don't need to engineer a new manifold I'll leave that hp on the table. (For now) cheers Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robinson, Lee SEA Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger By having multiple throttle bodies, you can do a couple of things. First, you can locate them closer to the head, resulting in a quicker throttle response which is a desirable trait for sports cars. Second, you gain performance through the overall inlet area and better flow into the cylinders due to the basic design. By using 6 (or 4 in the case of the E30 M3) throttle plates, you can gain a total area advantage by sizing them to the intake runners, unless you want to have a huge throttle inlet. Next, what BMW does is dump the air into an intake plenum with properly "tuned" intake horns that are matched to the runners. This means that every cylinder's intake path is the same length (the same idea as a header) from the accumulator. Furthermore, the intake path is a straight as possible which reduces the restriction of flow into the cylinder head. On the other hand, the standard S50/52 has a single large throttle plate that then flares out to the six cylinder intakes. The runners for cylinders 3 & 4 are shorter than those for 1 & 6. Also, the air traveling to cylinders 1 & 6 has to take a 90 degree turn & then a bend back the other way. Basically saying a the M intake is not real useful is the same as saying a header isn't real useful. Yes, you can make the power obviously, but this M intake design is a much more ingenious way to do it. And it's not just power either, it's efficiency--in both performance & packaging. I know a direct correlation can't be made as the US M3 was lower compression than the Euro (either 10.0:1 vs. 10.5:1 or 10.5:1 vs. 11.0:1....I forget exactly), but clearly the Motorsport intake & header design had something (and probably a lot) to do with the 80hp difference between the cars. Yes, you can easily make up the 80hp with forced induction, but you're going to spend a TON of money to make up that 80 hp with cams, head-work, displacement, aftermarket intakes & headers, etc. I'd always bet on the complete package engineering that BMW does. After all, if you start better & then spend the money on the head work, cams, etc you'll still be ahead. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Romani > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:40 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger > > that multiple throttle body stuff is all about drivability > (or so says my head/cam expert). He says he can get the same > power without all that purty stuff, car won't be as nice > driving around town, but for a race car so what. > > Once my new engine is built and broken in I'll post some dyno numbers. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Dorffer > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger > > > --- Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tho there's no price listed currently, what's the ballpark we're > > looking at for one ? even if it were the full (I think, haven't > > priced out used M coupe in a while) $10k delta between an S52 & S54 > > car, I'd take the S52 car w/blower because it's got more torque and > > doesn't have the awful grey-faced cluster or the stupid > > switch-position moves they made for some reason in the later cars. > > Yes, I generally agree, but it doesn't have six throttle > bodies like an S54 which is what all the purists claim is > necessary to have an M badge... > > :-) > > Later, > > Rich > > '95 330is > '90 325is > '91 318is > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:22:37 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The list hasn't forwarded this message to me yet. I figure you intended this message for Vijay at a minimum, and possibly the rest of the list. - N. Jay ************* > I own 2 BMW's and a FORD truck ( not really a Fix Or Repair Daily) if you > check it out good > before you buy it - very few repairs and the cost to repair is a lot lower > than a BMW > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:41:36 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jamie Howton wrote: "After owning one, I can't see why anyone would want one, it isn't much good as a truck and it's terrible as a car." >From what little I know of them, I suspected as much. - N. Jay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:59:07 -0800 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Haven't owned one but two friends who did wouldn't again. Punctuation of the above sentence has been left to the "English" thread pundits. If $$$ allows, I would get a Toyota truck of the appropriate size. It would last the rest of your life with minimal repairs and maintenance. For myself, I prefer "Great White" (the AWD minivan) and an eight-foot utility trailer. Tom Kosmalski Hood River, OR 04 325iT 98 Haulin Ass Util Trl Dad's Toyota Truck with 350k Sister's with 250k ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 2005 19:16:16 -0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ford had a 3l V6 with weak head gaskets in the early '90s. They also had a bad AT at that time. I think the transmissions were only in Taurus and Windstars - don't even know if a Ranger is front driver or rear, so don't know if the engine is even an issue. I had a '94 taurus wagon that had both the engine and transmission fail before 50K miles. I'm done with Fords for a while. My father-in-law has 2 Ford pickups. A fairly recent (less than 10 years, I think) Ranger, and a 1928 Model A. The Ranger seems to be fine - hasn't given him any trouble. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rangers are either rwd or 4wd. -Paul --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ford had a 3l V6 with weak head gaskets in the early > '90s. They also had a bad AT at that time. I think > the transmissions were only in Taurus and Windstars > - don't even know if a Ranger is front driver or > rear, so don't know if the engine is even an issue. > > I had a '94 taurus wagon that had both the engine > and transmission fail before 50K miles. I'm done > with Fords for a while. > > My father-in-law has 2 Ford pickups. A fairly > recent (less than 10 years, I think) Ranger, and a > 1928 Model A. The Ranger seems to be fine - hasn't > given him any trouble. > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:43:33 -0500 From: "Andy G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mid-90s Ford Rangers and Mazda B-series trucks have known electrical problems. The major complaint I have heard about and experienced is possessed wipers which is not cured with a simple switch replacement. Also an issue with remote entry going out to lunch. I have been lucky that opening the door with a key seems to reset the system. I also had an issue with a failed door and hood light/security switches. The front-end suspension on my '96 B-series is the old twin I-beam design. I believe they switched to a conventional A-arm setup for the '98 model year - much better ride and handling. Every part in my Mazda B4000 has a Ford stamp and part number, except for the sheet metal, grill, and such. Mazda also has full service manuals in hardcopy form. Not sure about Ford. Mazda parts seem to run cheaper but that might be a factor of the location of the two dealerships. Mazda part department always has problems with getting the right part even when using the VIN. Again it might be the parts department staff or it might be the mapping of Mazda->Ford parts. The chrome is pitted and the black paint around the side windows is faded and flaking but the original battery is still turning over the 4.0L engine with gusto on a 20 degree morning. I bought the Mazda since it had better sheet metal and more goodies for the dollar. I'm also grew up around Chevy small blocks and couldn't bring myself to buying something labeled "Ford". - Andy '96 B4000 '04 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:30:31 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vijay Nuthulapaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have owned Fords for years, even had a 99 Ranger. For the most part they are fairly unentertaining vehicular appliances. Suspensions are mushy, powertrains are uninspiring, the driving experience is nothing remarkable if you don't try to extract any kind of performance out of them. If you try to drive them like it's possible to drive a BMW, it can be a fairly out of control type experience. As far as maintenance goes, in general they are not as well designed as BMWs, lots of sharp sheet metal where your hands need to go and oil filters in inacessable places that require you to take a hot oil bath every 3,000 miles. Aside from that they will last a long time if you maintain them and they are fairly inexpensive to own and operate. They require oil changes every 3-5K miles, tranny and diff oil changes every 30K. The diff oil changes are a particular joy, there's no drain plug, you just remove the diff cover to drain the oil and guess what, you get a hot oil bath. Most parts are inexpensive and availible at your local autoparts store, some things however are just crazy expensive like rear brake shoes for an 02 Focus - $300. I currently own a 2002 F250 Supercab 4x4 and a 2001 Focus Wagon, both are decent at what they are intended for (Tow vehicle and wife's "barn car" respectively). The Ranger is a very small vehicle, we had the extended cab, Flareside 4x2 version and I still couldn't get the drivers seat back far enough for it to be comfortable (I am 6' and weigh 200lbs). The bed is not large enough for a full sheet of plywood, towing capacity is negligible. After owning one, I can't see why anyone would want one, it isn't much good as a truck and it's terrible as a car. There are, however websites with tons of Ranger (and Ford in general) info, try: http://www.rangerpowersports.com/ http://www.big-boards.com/highlight/228/ http://p209.ezboard.com/ffordforumsfrm31 http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5 Or try a search engine such as google, there are a lot of Ford enthusiast sites and forums out there. If you have any specific questions contact me off list. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:28:11 -0800 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:44:55AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Just out of morbid curiosity, why do you "need" a Ranger or any small > truck? I can't answer for him, but it sure would help me out to have a beater truck of almost any size for hauling stuff around. My ragtop is fine for 2x4s, but it's not even 4 feet wide in the back seat, so I can't move even a half sheet of plywood. Ditto for the trunk of the e39. I would definitely prefer a 1970 Chevy pickup in mustard yellow though. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:51:27 -0500 From: "John Weese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Real M Cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The "Real" M-Cars: M1, E30 M3, E28 M5, E34 M5, & E24 M6 (and of course all Euro Versions of these wonderful machines). Everything since "M-Related", albeit very cool, are mass produced and "just not the same" in my book! Never will be the same again. John Weese BMW CA #76646 Original Hand Assembled Pristine E28 M5 with "exposed throttle bodies" & no plastic! (well, except the darn radiator ends!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:04:42 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Real M Cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Take a look at a Euro E36 engine... that might change your mind. It's got the same type and quality of head casting and TBs as the M5 (actually, more like the Euro M5 3.8) and is a nice piece of kit. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Weese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [UUC] Real M Cars > > The "Real" M-Cars: > > M1, E30 M3, E28 M5, E34 M5, & E24 M6 (and of course all Euro Versions of > these wonderful machines). > > Everything since "M-Related", albeit very cool, are mass produced and "just > not the same" in my book! Never will be the same again. > > John Weese > BMW CA #76646 > Original Hand Assembled Pristine E28 M5 with "exposed throttle bodies" & no > plastic! (well, except the darn radiator ends!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:43:02 -0500 From: Daniel Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <e36> Air Bag Light Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mine comes on evry time I start the vehicle and remains on for two minutes. Guess I'll look into the seat belt latch or occupant sensor. Regards, Dan On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:01:18 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What would cause the light to come on, stay on for about two minutes and > then extinguish after that time? This is for the '96 328. > > Thanks guys, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: henry butt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all My fan switch only runs at the #4 position ! Does it mean that I have to replace the whole switch. This just happened yesterday morning on my firt trip out ! Any comments ? Henry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:07:12 -0600 From: "Peter Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "henry butt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blower Resistor. Releatively cheap part. Easy enough for even me to do (twice, 93 325is, 95 M3). Common, nothing to freak out about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "henry butt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [UUC] <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is > Hi all > > My fan switch only runs at the #4 position ! Does it > mean that I have to replace the whole switch. This > just happened yesterday morning on my firt trip out ! > > Any comments ? > > Henry > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:10:01 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "henry butt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Query - Heater Fan Switch - 1995 325is Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No. Its probably the resistor pack. Hi speed bypasses the resistors. Gary Derian > Hi all > > My fan switch only runs at the #4 position ! Does it > mean that I have to replace the whole switch. This > just happened yesterday morning on my firt trip out ! > > Any comments ? > > Henry ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
