The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 736 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. SF Bay Area (I280) radar Re: SF Bay Area (I280) radar Re: SF Bay Area (I280) radar E30 Rides Again! (was Dead E30) M5 Crank, but No Start.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:57:21 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "bmw list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just went through this exercise. It is odd because the broken line, mine was cracked not blown, did conduct well enough to provide 12V to the fuel pump relay only while the circuit was open. Once a connection was made, then the voltage dropped to zero. The Junction block has several connections, one is to the single smaller wire that runs to the battery. The other connections are to the big fat battery cable. You can move the fuel pump/main relay wire to one of the battery cable connections temporarily. That fusible line is 50A. Gary Derian > From Gary Derian >> >>Check the fusible link in the trunk. It is shrink wrapped to the large >>battery cable about a foot from the battery. >>Gary Derian >> > > That is probably my next step. > > I did some digging through the books and schematics and it looks as though > I > am not getting good power to the battery junction block at the firewall. > From that block there is a direct run to both the main relay and the fuel > pump relay. Given that manually actuating my fuel pump test relay does not > result in the pumps running and doing so while the main relay is buzzing > silences the relay, a high resistance fusible link would make sense. > > I see that the other side of that terminal block, the one that has no > fusible link, runs the starter, fuse box, and instrument cluster. All that > seems to act normal. > >>> My '87 325i just died on me. No warning, running along, then nothing. >>> >>> I was cruising along then no power and a full compliment of dash lights. >>> The >>> odd thing is that the CE light was not just on but flickering at engine >>> speed. >>> >>> No restarts since. Timing belt is intact, but I didn't see if it turns >>> with >>> the rest of the engine. >>> >>> I couldn't get a code out of the computer as the CE light didn't do >>> anything >>> that made sense.. it fickered and blinked while the tach kept jumping >>> around >>> and the temperature gauge twitched at about 1/4 scale. >>> >>> I will have it towed home later today and then will have some time to >>> contemplate it all as I go in for shoulder surgery on Thursday and won't >>> be >>> driving for some time after that. >>> >>> I hope it is simple. >>> >>> I am not having a good day. >>> >>> -- Joe >>> >>> -- >>> Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet >>> Search the >>> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >>> CCA. >>> >>> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >>> >> >> > > > -- Joe > > -- > Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:42:36 -0500 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmw list <[email protected]>, Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It sounds like your fusible link is rotting away. It is possible to pass 12VDC but not enough amperage as the link degrades. Go back to the battery and follow the small wire forward to the link. It is under the plastic cover about a foot from the batt. Slit the harness cover for the small wire and you'll see it. The part is about 10.00 and is soldered in place (I use a mini-torch for the job). If you do replace it, be sure to insulate it well upon reassembly. I have seen numerous link issues, particularly if your trunk has had a wetness issue. Jenny Morgan On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > From Gary Derian >> >> Check the fusible link in the trunk. It is shrink wrapped to the >> large >> battery cable about a foot from the battery. >> Gary Derian >> > > That is probably my next step. > > I did some digging through the books and schematics and it looks as > though I > am not getting good power to the battery junction block at the > firewall. > From that block there is a direct run to both the main relay and the > fuel > pump relay. Given that manually actuating my fuel pump test relay does > not > result in the pumps running and doing so while the main relay is > buzzing > silences the relay, a high resistance fusible link would make sense. > > I see that the other side of that terminal block, the one that has no > fusible link, runs the starter, fuse box, and instrument cluster. All > that > seems to act normal. > >>> My '87 325i just died on me. No warning, running along, then nothing. >>> >>> I was cruising along then no power and a full compliment of dash >>> lights. >>> The >>> odd thing is that the CE light was not just on but flickering at >>> engine >>> speed. >>> >>> No restarts since. Timing belt is intact, but I didn't see if it >>> turns >>> with >>> the rest of the engine. >>> >>> I couldn't get a code out of the computer as the CE light didn't do >>> anything >>> that made sense.. it fickered and blinked while the tach kept jumping >>> around >>> and the temperature gauge twitched at about 1/4 scale. >>> >>> I will have it towed home later today and then will have some time to >>> contemplate it all as I go in for shoulder surgery on Thursday and >>> won't >>> be >>> driving for some time after that. >>> >>> I hope it is simple. >>> >>> I am not having a good day. >>> >>> -- Joe >>> >>> -- >>> Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet >>> Search the >>> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >>> CCA. >>> >>> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >>> >> >> > > > -- Joe > > -- > Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... > Yet > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] (bmw list) Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Found it! It was indeed the fusible link. It corroded away right at one of the terminals. I think someone said it was 50A. Since the dealer isn't open on Sunday and I would like to drive to work tomorrow I am thinking of replacing it temporarily with a small gauge piece of wire. I need to know the rating of the fuse, or at least what to expect for draw from the fuel pumps, DME, ignition, injectors, and all the other good stuff on that line. My kludge only has to not burn the car up and last until Wednesday night at the latest. If I haven't said so before, thanks to everyone on this list for all the help. It is so nice having this pool of experience and support ready and waiting for when things go wrong. Thank you. -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:51:09 -0500 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmw list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fusible links are used by many cars... You may well be able to get a sutiable replacement from Autozone type stores... Jenny On Jul 17, 2005, at 1:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Found it! > > It was indeed the fusible link. It corroded away right at one of the > terminals. > > I think someone said it was 50A. Since the dealer isn't open on Sunday > and I > would like to drive to work tomorrow I am thinking of replacing it > temporarily with a small gauge piece of wire. I need to know the > rating of > the fuse, or at least what to expect for draw from the fuel pumps, DME, > ignition, injectors, and all the other good stuff on that line. > > My kludge only has to not burn the car up and last until Wednesday > night at > the latest. > > If I haven't said so before, thanks to everyone on this list for all > the > help. It is so nice having this pool of experience and support ready > and > waiting for when things go wrong. > > Thank you. > > -- Joe > > -- > Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... > Yet > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:53:11 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 02:13:35PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Found it! .. > If I haven't said so before, thanks to everyone on this list for all > the help. It is so nice having this pool of experience and support > ready and waiting for when things go wrong. It seems that you have good troubleshooting skills and a solid grasp of voltage and current issues as well. Half the credit goes to you for being able to describe the symptoms well. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:50:25 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There is some sort of a security/alarm box under the driver's side dash that can disable the car if it fails. I don't remember the details, but I know my brother had symptoms similar to yours on his '87 325is and that was the culprit. Perhaps someone else can share more about it. Stan > > From Gary Derian > > > >Check the fusible link in the trunk. It is shrink wrapped to the large > >battery cable about a foot from the battery. > >Gary Derian > > > Jo replied: > That is probably my next step. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:15:40 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That box affects the starter, it won't shut down the car while driving. Gary Derian > There is some sort of a security/alarm box under the driver's side dash > that > can disable the car if it fails. I don't remember the details, but I know > my brother had symptoms similar to yours on his '87 325is and that was the > culprit. Perhaps someone else can share more about it. > > Stan > >> >> From Gary Derian >> > >> >Check the fusible link in the trunk. It is shrink wrapped to the large >> >battery cable about a foot from the battery. >> >Gary Derian >> > >> > > Jo replied: > >> That is probably my next step. >> > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:37:22 -0700 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Dead E30... owner having a bad day. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If its the factory ultrasonic alarm that Stan is thinking of, its activated by double-locking the driver's side door. Also, most E30's don't have that installed. Sincerely, Mark Gold Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 17, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Gary Derian wrote: > That box affects the starter, it won't shut down the car while > driving. > Gary Derian > > > >> There is some sort of a security/alarm box under the driver's side >> dash that >> can disable the car if it fails. I don't remember the details, >> but I know >> my brother had symptoms similar to yours on his '87 325is and that >> was the >> culprit. Perhaps someone else can share more about it. >> >> Stan >> >> >>> >>> From Gary Derian >>> > >>> >Check the fusible link in the trunk. It is shrink wrapped to >>> the large >>> >battery cable about a foot from the battery. >>> >Gary Derian >>> > >>> >>> >> >> Jo replied: >> >> >>> That is probably my next step. >>> >>> >> >> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ >> [email protected] >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _____ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the >> BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ > [email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:43:11 -0700 From: Steve Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: SF Bay Area (I280) radar Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, now we have established why the V1's are going crazy (little silver detectors with solar cells on lightpoles), I had a question pop into my mind.... Do K-band radar units (aka cops with radar) differentiate the source? It *might* be useful speeding ticket defense, to suggest that the officers radar was picking up spurious traffic flow radar reflected signal. >From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: SF Bay Area Questions >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Kevin, > >Obviously you don't read Mr. Roadshow! The traffic flow monitors for live >maps (like sigalert.com) set off radar detectors. > > >Donna >. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kelly >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:40 AM >>To: BMW BMW BMW BMW >>Subject: [UUC] SF Bay Area Questions >> >>Has anyone else had their Valentine One get a lot of random K band hits >>driving on Interstate 280 between Burlingame and Los Gatos? I live in San >>Francisco and don't go south of Burlingame (where my parents live) very >>often but the last couple times I have driven south on 280 the Valentine One >> >>kept getting K band hit after K band hit. >> >>Kevin Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:07:39 -0700 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: SF Bay Area (I280) radar Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nice try. :) Here's a snippet from the original column: > Q: I was traveling up Interstate 280 and my radar detector went off all along > the route from Highway 85 to Interstate 380 <snip> Do they serve any purpose > other than to make radar detectors useless? . . . What is the deal with the > new radar devices on I-280? Is this part of the 511 system? > > A: Yes. You are seeing -- and hearing -- radar-type devices that are being > installed along I-280 and other Bay Area freeways by SpeedInfo, a > Cupertino-based company that forged a deal with Caltrans to place their > devices in areas where there are gaps in the current 511 road reporting > system. This system does not interfere with police radar, but can trigger > radar detectors. It measures average traffic speed in both directions and > carpool lane speeds. It does not measure individual cars. Donna On 7/17/05 11:43 AM, "Steve Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, now we have established why the V1's are going crazy (little silver > detectors with solar cells on lightpoles), I had a question pop into my > mind.... > > Do K-band radar units (aka cops with radar) differentiate the source? It > *might* be useful speeding ticket defense, to suggest that the officers > radar was picking up spurious traffic flow radar reflected signal. > > >> From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: SF Bay Area Questions >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Kevin, >> >> Obviously you don't read Mr. Roadshow! The traffic flow monitors for live >> maps (like sigalert.com) set off radar detectors. >> >> >> Donna >> . >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kelly >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:40 AM >>> To: BMW BMW BMW BMW >>> Subject: [UUC] SF Bay Area Questions >>> >>> Has anyone else had their Valentine One get a lot of random K band hits >>> driving on Interstate 280 between Burlingame and Los Gatos? I live in San >>> Francisco and don't go south of Burlingame (where my parents live) very >>> often but the last couple times I have driven south on 280 the Valentine One >>> >>> kept getting K band hit after K band hit. >>> >>> Kevin Kelly > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:51:19 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: SF Bay Area (I280) radar Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I sent the column to Mike Valentine yesterday asking if there is a way to modify the V1 via software - the traffic gizmos are hopefully on one end of the k band spectrum or have some unique characteristic that allows differentiation of them. Otherwise you might be able to use some sort of "interference' defense if ticketed on that stretch of hiway - unless the police radars are able to differentiate their own transmitter from the traffic gizmo transmitters. we could just be screwed. Marco former electronic warfare officer in a prior career. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of donna seeley Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] SF Bay Area (I280) radar Nice try. :) Here's a snippet from the original column: > Q: I was traveling up Interstate 280 and my radar detector went off all along > the route from Highway 85 to Interstate 380 <snip> Do they serve any purpose > other than to make radar detectors useless? . . . What is the deal with the > new radar devices on I-280? Is this part of the 511 system? > > A: Yes. You are seeing -- and hearing -- radar-type devices that are being > installed along I-280 and other Bay Area freeways by SpeedInfo, a > Cupertino-based company that forged a deal with Caltrans to place their > devices in areas where there are gaps in the current 511 road reporting > system. This system does not interfere with police radar, but can trigger > radar detectors. It measures average traffic speed in both directions and > carpool lane speeds. It does not measure individual cars. Donna On 7/17/05 11:43 AM, "Steve Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, now we have established why the V1's are going crazy (little silver > detectors with solar cells on lightpoles), I had a question pop into my > mind.... > > Do K-band radar units (aka cops with radar) differentiate the source? It > *might* be useful speeding ticket defense, to suggest that the officers > radar was picking up spurious traffic flow radar reflected signal. > > >> From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: SF Bay Area Questions >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Kevin, >> >> Obviously you don't read Mr. Roadshow! The traffic flow monitors for live >> maps (like sigalert.com) set off radar detectors. >> >> >> Donna >> . >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kelly >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:40 AM >>> To: BMW BMW BMW BMW >>> Subject: [UUC] SF Bay Area Questions >>> >>> Has anyone else had their Valentine One get a lot of random K band hits >>> driving on Interstate 280 between Burlingame and Los Gatos? I live in San >>> Francisco and don't go south of Burlingame (where my parents live) very >>> often but the last couple times I have driven south on 280 the Valentine One >>> >>> kept getting K band hit after K band hit. >>> >>> Kevin Kelly > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] (bmw list) Subject: E30 Rides Again! (was Dead E30) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I consulted another group and was able to make a temporary link out of 5 strands of 30 ga magnet wire. Should fuse at 50A. It is substantially smaller that either the wire it is installed in or the metal ribbon that was the old fuse. I was able to use the existing lugs and fiberglass strip and some bolts to mount this "fuse". Electrical tape for insulation, a layer of gaff tape for abrasion resistance and was done. Pumps run, ICV hums, and car starts. Now I can get the right part tomorrow... and get to work... and to the doctor... BTW, from the equations out there, the magic piece of wire for this 50A fuse should be about 21 ga. Given that is an odd size 22 ga wire should work. The cross sectional area of my repair comes in at about 75% of textbook, so I am probably a bit under 50A. -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMWUUCList <[email protected]> Subject: M5 Crank, but No Start. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe: After driving home w/o incident late last night, I found the car would not start after extended cranking today. 1. Fuel pump is OK. I can hear it buzzing during cranking. 2. Crank sensor is likely OK as the DME wouldn't engage the fuel pump till about 300RPM was reached and it needs the sensor to know this and the fuel pump is engaged. 3. DME relay is fine. Swapped with a 540i 6-sp and it didn't help. 4. Fuel is getting to the engine - I can smell it in the exhaust. 5. NO SPARK, either at the plugs or at the wire from the ignition coil - I put a spare spark plug on both to test them. I replaced the ignition coil 60-70k miles ago, but I cannot think of anything else that might cause this. I will be getting a new ignition coil tomorrow to put in the car. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks! Neil Deshpande 92 3.6L M5 ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
