The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 761 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36> Throttle plate cleaning Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Re: <E36> Low idle problem fixed FF (WOB)..E32 parts ?? Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP ..Now snow tires Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP ..Now snow tires
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Throttle plate cleaning Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin, There are two different formulas for intake cleaner. As I've understood it, the cans labeled as "carb cleaner" are harsher chemicals (but probably clean better), and can damage the oxygen sensor because of their harshness (I would explain better if I knew which chemicals they were). True carb cleaner doesn't need to be burned off as well in a carbureted engine because of the lack of higher precision emissions control devices. In an EFI engine, I guess there's more probability of damage with the harsher chemicals. Perhaps the chemicals in carb cleaner are more oxidative when burned, and damage the O2 sensor that way, I'm not quite sure. There is "throttle body cleaner" which is less harsh but still seems to clean pretty well. It is a solution of toluene and other chemicals. This is what you need to use. Brian 95 M3 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since I have the Dinan CAI on the E36 with the cloth > intake filter, I > thought I would clean around the throttle plate > this weekend (it might > also reduce the cold engine temperament) but I've > seen cautions about using > Carb Cleaner as possibly harming the O2 sensor. I've > never heard of this > before, can anyone shed some light on this? > > -Kevin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail communication is confidential and is > intended only > for the individual(s) or entity named above and > others who have > been specifically authorized to receive it. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:12:33 -0400 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try Rick Ellinger at RC Imports in Rockville, MD for information. Rick and wife Cindy have been racing and servicing the 190E 16V for many years. btw, I believe the M3 was BMW's (better) answer to the 190 16v. http://www.rc-imports.com/ Woody Hair ----- Original Message ----- From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [UUC] Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. > Anyone got a good baseline reference to the M-B 190 2.3-16 ?? It was > their 'answer' to the BMW E30 M3 ...didnt answer it very well on the > track, but still a nice road-car . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:03:08 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I thought they were both "homologation specials" for some racing class in Europe. Gary Derian > btw, I believe the M3 was BMW's (better) answer to the 190 16v. > > >> Anyone got a good baseline reference to the M-B 190 2.3-16 ?? It was >> their 'answer' to the BMW E30 M3 ...didnt answer it very well on the >> track, but still a nice road-car . .com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:07:16 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a 190E 2.3. It isn't exactly the best car Mercedes ever made. It was real fun when some electrical short made all the windows quit working and made the heat go full on! I drove 80 miles home holding the door open with my foot trying not to die from heatstroke. I can think of plenty of other cars I would buy before I got another one. BTW it needed a new cylinder head at 50,000 miles. It was also the ALL TIME RECORD HOLDER of the worst car to drive in snow. A F1 car on bald tires turned up to full boost would be better. I once got in it and it took off down the parking lot slope and into the woods and I hadn't even started it yet! Joe Della Barba 323iT MR2 MKII Avalon -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whit Lowell Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:05 AM To: BMWBits Cc: Uucdigest Subject: [UUC] Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. I think it deserves a COMPLETELY O/T subject addendum, but anyway... The "Mercedes Tercel", as dubbed by Winfred Dixon, and the intimation of ownership in the same sentence.....You can't be serious?!? Check: the motor...cam lobe wear is, evidently, a big problem. best, whit On 8/4/05, BMWBits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone got a good baseline reference to the M-B 190 2.3-16 ?? It was > their 'answer' to the BMW E30 M3 ...didnt answer it very well on the > track, but still a nice road-car .Cheaper'n M3s too ..not much but > some .. > There's one for sale locally that I want to go take a look at/drive in > tomorrow so I need some quick points of reference . > This one sounds like a 'hardly-driven garage queen ' from his > description on the phone so I don't want to miss it if it is good > ..but I need to be able to recognise 'good' when its stood in front of me .. > 2.3 litre 16 valve , 5-speed , 4-door (2 more than the M3 !!) , > aero-effects (airdam, rear spoiler etc ) ....but it's that hidden > stuff I need to know . Does it need 4,000 rpm before it comes alight ? Or 5k ? > . Where are the weaknesses -gearbox? Driveline ? Diff? , suspension > components ? Were Recaro-style seats stock ? ..yada yada ... > So , anyone got a good 'go-to' reference for me to start at ?? > > Bill Proud > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:40:40 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not entirely true. It also depends on the weight distribution and total weight. My MR2 is fairly decent in snow because of the weight on the rear wheels. Likewise FWD cars have an edge with more than half the weight on the driven wheels. An old VW Bug or 911 is an interesting ride in snow. They don't get stuck with all that weight on the rear wheels, but they really would rather be going backwards so you are constantly having the back of the car try to pass the front. Joe Della Barba -----Original Message----- From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:17 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; Uucdigest Subject: Re: [UUC] Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Snow performance is all about the tires so you can't blame that on the car. Gary Derian >I had a 190E 2.3. > It isn't exactly the best car Mercedes ever made. It was real fun when >some electrical short made all the windows quit working and made the >heat go full on! I drove 80 miles home holding the door open with my >foot trying not to die from heatstroke. I can think of plenty of other >cars I would buy before I got another one. BTW it needed a new >cylinder head at 50,000 miles. It was also the ALL TIME RECORD HOLDER >of the worst car to drive in snow. A F1 car on bald tires turned up >to full boost would be better. I once got in it and it took off down >the parking lot slope and into the woods and I hadn't even started it >yet! > > > Joe Della Barba > 323iT > MR2 MKII > Avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:17:01 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Snow performance is all about the tires so you can't blame that on the car. Gary Derian >I had a 190E 2.3. > It isn't exactly the best car Mercedes ever made. It was real fun when > some > electrical short made all the windows quit working and made the heat go > full > on! I drove 80 miles home holding the door open with my foot trying not to > die from heatstroke. I can think of plenty of other cars I would buy > before > I got another one. BTW it needed a new cylinder head at 50,000 miles. It > was > also the ALL TIME RECORD HOLDER of the worst car to drive in snow. A F1 > car > on bald tires turned up to full boost would be better. I once got in it > and > it took off down the parking lot slope and into the woods and I hadn't > even > started it yet! > > > Joe Della Barba > 323iT > MR2 MKII > Avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That doesn't make sense; if the rear-engine weight distribution increases traction on that end then a 911 in snow would understeer like a MkIV Jetta (which is to say, incessantly). Little weight on the front tires => less traction up front => plowing straight ahead. Of course you may be talking about a situation where you've started the turn and then broken traction in the rear, in which case you need to be gentler with the throttle. Click and Clack say BMWs are bad in the snow. I think they have yet to discover the snow tire. My E28 got stuck in snow only the one time time I got caught in a storm on summer tires. -tammer --- "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Likewise FWD cars have an edge with more than > half the weight on the > driven wheels. An old VW Bug or 911 is an interesting > ride in snow. They > don't get stuck with all that weight on the rear wheels, > but they really > would rather be going backwards so you are constantly > having the back of the > car try to pass the front. > > > Joe Della Barba __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Click and Clack say BMWs are bad in the snow. I think they > have yet to discover the snow tire. My E28 got stuck in > snow only the one time time I got caught in a storm on > summer tires. Someone I once bought snow tires from told me his E30 M3 was about the worse vehicle he had ever driven in snow only 2nd worse to his E30 325is because of all the torque. WTF???? I drove my E30 M3 one winter and it was by far the most fun I've ever had, and my 325is is my winter beater for a reason. I love E30s in the snow w/snow tires of course. Carlos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "but they really would rather be going backwards so you are constantly having the back of the car try to pass the front." This is just the result of it being rear wheel drive (pushing the car), not because the motor is in the back. Ryan- Not entirely true. It also depends on the weight distribution and total > weight. My MR2 is fairly decent in snow because of the weight on the rear > wheels. Likewise FWD cars have an edge with more than half the weight on > the > driven wheels. An old VW Bug or 911 is an interesting ride in snow. They > don't get stuck with all that weight on the rear wheels, but they really > would rather be going backwards so you are constantly having the back of > the > car try to pass the front. > > > Joe Della Barba > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:17 AM > To: Della Barba, Joe; Uucdigest > Subject: Re: [UUC] Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. > > Snow performance is all about the tires so you can't blame that on the > car. > Gary Derian > > > >>I had a 190E 2.3. >> It isn't exactly the best car Mercedes ever made. It was real fun when >>some electrical short made all the windows quit working and made the >>heat go full on! I drove 80 miles home holding the door open with my >>foot trying not to die from heatstroke. I can think of plenty of other >>cars I would buy before I got another one. BTW it needed a new >>cylinder head at 50,000 miles. It was also the ALL TIME RECORD HOLDER >>of the worst car to drive in snow. A F1 car on bald tires turned up >>to full boost would be better. I once got in it and it took off down >>the parking lot slope and into the woods and I hadn't even started it >>yet! >> >> >> Joe Della Barba >> 323iT >> MR2 MKII >> Avalon > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:51:11 -0500 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Low idle problem fixed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I replaced the ignition switch last night and the car started up. But, it still idled very low and died when I lifted off the throttle. So, I fiddled with the throttle position switch a bit, and then figured I might as well pull the ICV and see if cleaning it would help. I sprayed the ICV with about 1/2 a can of 3M Throttle Cleaner (endorsed by NASCAR!) and dang if the car didn't start idling smoothly again. So, I'll just chalk this up to a weird coincidence that the ICV stuck at the same time the ignition switch broke. Malcolm '88 M5 (back to weekend warrior status) '98 328i (drove it to work today) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Reitz Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E36> Low idle problem An odd problem here... Last weekend, I went to start the car and the ignition key moved to "Run" and froze. It would turn backwards or forwards. I left the car overnight, returned the next day and I eventually pulled the ignition switch off the lock assembly and the key started turning again. The car still wouldn't start (switch moved to "Start" but the starter never engaged). I found I could jump the starter position and get the car running, so I think the switch is bad. So far, OK. But, the odd part is that, when the car does start now, it idles extremely low, probably under 300 RPM according to the tach. This means the engine has a tendency to die when I come to a stop with the clutch in, or when I turn on the AC. Any ideas on what has happened to the idle? Surely, it can't be related to the ignition switch, or can it? Thanks! Malcolm '88 M5 (doing daily driver duty this week) '98 328i (hard starting and barely running) Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:17:07 -0500 From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "E9coupes BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sixer coupe Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: FF (WOB)..E32 parts ?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have an opportunity to buy a 1988 735 tomorrow at a local auction (mid-south Tenn ) probably for very cheap . I am tossing up whether to try and part it out or restore it if it becomes mine all mine ... I suspect that it'd cost more than it's worth by far to restore , but if anyone reasonably close to Nashville has a parts-car already I'd be interested in talking prices ...for parts . This one needs a new windshield , a left-hand front (driver's) armrest in grey , a front passenger seat bottom in grey-blue . There's a ton of little nicky-nacky stuff like the glovebox straps, lenses over the lights at bottom of doors etc but for now I dont remember them all -I just know I'll need them if I take it on . Relative to the alternative ...parting it out, OR passing it on to someone else ...It has been a 'southern car' as far back as I can tell . There is NO rust anywhere visible BUT there are dents on RF fender , and both doors on rh side so it will need some straightening ...NO frame=pulling it just looks like it bumped something small . The engine is super-clean and complete but I havent heard it running yet-obviously a 3.5 litre that'd fit into LOTS of big-six cars from E9 coupes to 5,6 or 7 series .If it had a manual trans I wouldnt dream of selling the car (even tho it aint mine yet !!) so yes it IS automatic and again I have NO idea how good or bad it is ..but car is tagged til end of this mo so presume it has been running lately . Oh yes , it has a set of bloody awful looking whore-house 17" wheels -chrome with fat spokes -that will be immediately for sale if it becomes mine (fit most 5,6,7 series )...they have performance tires on 'em ..So2 I think along with Pirelli P6s of 245/45 size range-minimal tread .I'd put the stock 15's from my 750i onto it instead ..MUCH less of a whorehouse effect ! .The headlights/grille etc are perfect . Toolkit has NO tools but the box is in good shape etc etc ...tell me what you'd want .... The dilemma therefore is the ultimate question ...DOES ANYONE NEED PARTS ?? OR A WHOLE RUST-FREE SHELL . There is NO doubt in my mind that it could be restored , but it's gonna take some sweat equity ... So ..before I leave for the auction around 8 AM sat I need to hear from any interested parties.PLEASE post this note to other places where there might be interest ...roadfly? Bill Proud , 36 yrs messing with BMWs Ph 931-424-6501 at reasonable hours ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:27:20 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP ..Now snow tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Imagine you are in your Beetle or 911 and you are going around a corner in the snow. If you feel the back tires start to break loose, you can do nothing and the car will spin. You can hit the brakes and the rear tires will brake loose and the car will spin. You can hit the gas and get exactly the same result! You can put the clutch in and steer like mad and you MIGHT pull it out. With all that weight out back once it gets moving you have a LOT of momentum to deal with. What happened to me was frequently I would correct for the first excursion and then the car would spin the other way. And yes, you also do get the front tires not doing much, but I added 50 pounds in the front trunk that fixed much of that. When I finally got rid of that car and had a 914 it was SO much better. As long as the snow wasn't deep enough for the car to "run aground" it was a rocket in snow. I expect my 323iT with DSC to be pretty decent in snow that isn't deeper than my ground clearance. Joe Della Barba 323iT Avalon MR2 MK II -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tammer Farid Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Mercedes reference needed ASAP .. That doesn't make sense; if the rear-engine weight distribution increases traction on that end then a 911 in snow would understeer like a MkIV Jetta (which is to say, incessantly). Little weight on the front tires => less traction up front => plowing straight ahead. Of course you may be talking about a situation where you've started the turn and then broken traction in the rear, in which case you need to be gentler with the throttle. Click and Clack say BMWs are bad in the snow. I think they have yet to discover the snow tire. My E28 got stuck in snow only the one time time I got caught in a storm on summer tires. -tammer --- "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Likewise FWD cars have an edge with more than half the weight on the > driven wheels. An old VW Bug or 911 is an interesting ride in snow. > They don't get stuck with all that weight on the rear wheels, but they > really would rather be going backwards so you are constantly having > the back of the car try to pass the front. > > > Joe Della Barba __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mercedes reference needed ASAP ..Now snow tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like fun! <g> Did it have snow tires? I would probably try the steer like mad, correct in advance for the opposite swing (you know it's coming), and don't lift/declutch but just hold the gas where it is method. However, I've never driven a 911 in the snow so it could be way worse than I'm imagining. -tammer <--smug when speaking with no experience ;-), front-engine cars only --- "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Imagine you are in your Beetle or 911 and you are going > around a corner in > the snow. If you feel the back tires start to break > loose, you can do > nothing and the car will spin. You can hit the brakes and > the rear tires > will brake loose and the car will spin. You can hit the > gas and get exactly > the same result! You can put the clutch in and steer like > mad and you MIGHT > pull it out. With all that weight out back once it gets > moving you have a > LOT of momentum to deal with. What happened to me was > frequently I would > correct for the first excursion and then the car would > spin the other way. > And yes, you also do get the front tires not doing much, > but I added 50 > pounds in the front trunk that fixed much of that. When I > finally got rid of > that car and had a 914 it was SO much better. As long as > the snow wasn't > deep enough for the car to "run aground" it was a rocket > in snow. I expect > my 323iT with DSC to be pretty decent in snow that isn't > deeper than my > ground clearance. > > > Joe Della Barba > 323iT > Avalon > MR2 MK II __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
