The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 791 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question 2002 525 turbo diesel Re: 2002 525 turbo diesel Re: One more oil pressure question Re: One more oil pressure question Re: <e36> fails new smog test Re: <e36> fails new smog test
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "ok I give up. How will a compression test help diagnose an oil pressure > problem?" I don't know I am still young and lack some experience so forgive me. I think I have the wrong gauge. The oil pressure gauge I have only goes up to 80 psi. The ones in Bavarian and BMP have a 150psi limit for my application. I remember reading somewhere that there is correct gauges for different applications, and I know this, but I assumed that they sold me the proper one for my car when I bought it at the local import parts place...we'll see what happens. Thanks guys, Ryan- > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Simmons > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Ryan Simmons; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] One more oil pressure question > > > Thanks Rich. > I did recently put 20/50 in because we have had relatively hot weather > here in Oregon (80's and 90's), but it has been consistently in the 60's > and 70's. Would switching back to the 10/40 help with some of this issue? > i assume the gauge reading is correct since I followed the instructions > and the gauge and sender are specific to my motor. I suppose I will do a > compression check this weekend. The car runs great, and there isn't any > excessive noise coming from the engine bay. The motor is still relatively > quiet although it does have around 220,000 miles, which is not very much > if you ask me. > Thanks again, > Ryan- > > > > > > No, 30 psi at higher rpms is too low, it should be approaching 60 psi or >> greater if the oil pump is working properly and the sensor and gauge are >> accurate. It won't really exceed 60 psi due to the oil pressure relief >> valve in my E36 M3. Also, my E36 M3 doesn't drop below about 18 psi >> when >> at >> idle and up to operating temps. >> >> For your '87 325e, BMW specs 0.5 bar (15 psi) at idle with engine at >> operating temps and 4.0-6.0 bar (58-87 psi). I can't say for certain >> whether the E30 has a oil pressure relief valve or not. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rich >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Simmons >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:44 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [UUC] One more oil pressure question >>> >>> >>> So one more question if you guys would and then I will leave this >>> one alone. >>> As i have currently posted, I just installed a VDO oil pressure gauge. >>> At >>> hot idle the gauge reads about 10psi. I am ok with this as my research >>> and Gary's reply have indicated that this is around normal (right?). >>> At >>> idle when the motor is cold, it is around 30psi. The concern I have is >>> at >>> full load the pressure does not exceed 30psi. I have an ETA motor so I >>> figure that my pressure reading will be lower than say the B25 in >>> comparison. Does 30 psi seem normal for a motor that only revs up to >>> 4500 >>> RPM? I have a small oil leak (well relatively small) so I have taken >>> this >>> into consideration when I have contemplated this issue. I figure that >>> the >>> pressure should be atleast 40psi under a full load or up to 4000 RPM's, >>> which would supply adequate pressure unless my motor is beginning to >>> wear >>> or my oil leak is worse then I think or one of the other causes of low >>> oil >>> pressure (I know there are a hand full). The Bentley specifies 55-80 >>> psi >>> for full load with the six cyl. motors. It does not specify which >>> motor >>> so that still does not answer my question. >>> Any info would be greatly appreciated. >>> Ryan- >> >> > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:34:35 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ah ha. Now we're getting somewhere. I don't have your original question so I don't know if you mentioned the p/n for the vdo sender you have. For a 80psi gauge if you don't have one of these senders you may have problems. http://www.egauges.com/vdo_send.asp?Sender=80PSI_5Bar_VDO&Cart= Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Simmons Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:06 PM To: Marco Romani Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] One more oil pressure question "ok I give up. How will a compression test help diagnose an oil pressure > problem?" I don't know I am still young and lack some experience so forgive me. I think I have the wrong gauge. The oil pressure gauge I have only goes up to 80 psi. The ones in Bavarian and BMP have a 150psi limit for my application. I remember reading somewhere that there is correct gauges for different applications, and I know this, but I assumed that they sold me the proper one for my car when I bought it at the local import parts place...we'll see what happens. Thanks guys, Ryan- > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Simmons > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Ryan Simmons; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] One more oil pressure question > > > Thanks Rich. > I did recently put 20/50 in because we have had relatively hot weather > here in Oregon (80's and 90's), but it has been consistently in the 60's > and 70's. Would switching back to the 10/40 help with some of this issue? > i assume the gauge reading is correct since I followed the instructions > and the gauge and sender are specific to my motor. I suppose I will do a > compression check this weekend. The car runs great, and there isn't any > excessive noise coming from the engine bay. The motor is still relatively > quiet although it does have around 220,000 miles, which is not very much > if you ask me. > Thanks again, > Ryan- > > > > > > No, 30 psi at higher rpms is too low, it should be approaching 60 psi or >> greater if the oil pump is working properly and the sensor and gauge are >> accurate. It won't really exceed 60 psi due to the oil pressure relief >> valve in my E36 M3. Also, my E36 M3 doesn't drop below about 18 psi >> when >> at >> idle and up to operating temps. >> >> For your '87 325e, BMW specs 0.5 bar (15 psi) at idle with engine at >> operating temps and 4.0-6.0 bar (58-87 psi). I can't say for certain >> whether the E30 has a oil pressure relief valve or not. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rich >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Simmons >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:44 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [UUC] One more oil pressure question >>> >>> >>> So one more question if you guys would and then I will leave this >>> one alone. >>> As i have currently posted, I just installed a VDO oil pressure gauge. >>> At >>> hot idle the gauge reads about 10psi. I am ok with this as my research >>> and Gary's reply have indicated that this is around normal (right?). >>> At >>> idle when the motor is cold, it is around 30psi. The concern I have is >>> at >>> full load the pressure does not exceed 30psi. I have an ETA motor so I >>> figure that my pressure reading will be lower than say the B25 in >>> comparison. Does 30 psi seem normal for a motor that only revs up to >>> 4500 >>> RPM? I have a small oil leak (well relatively small) so I have taken >>> this >>> into consideration when I have contemplated this issue. I figure that >>> the >>> pressure should be atleast 40psi under a full load or up to 4000 RPM's, >>> which would supply adequate pressure unless my motor is beginning to >>> wear >>> or my oil leak is worse then I think or one of the other causes of low >>> oil >>> pressure (I know there are a hand full). The Bentley specifies 55-80 >>> psi >>> for full load with the six cyl. motors. It does not specify which >>> motor >>> so that still does not answer my question. >>> Any info would be greatly appreciated. >>> Ryan- >> >> > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:42:47 +0100 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 22:06 30/08/05 -0700, Ryan Simmons wrote: >I think I have the wrong gauge. The oil pressure gauge I have only goes >up to 80 psi. The ones in Bavarian and BMP have a 150psi limit for my >application. Ryan, I wouldn't worry too much about the gauge. As you can see from the figures Rich and Carlos gave you the pressure is not likely to exceed 80 psi. Consequently if you get a gauge that reads to a higher pressure all that will happen is that the needle will cover a shorter arc and you'll have a harder job reading the value. Marco's suggestions as to the likely causes are right on the nail. Given your current position on the learning curve about BMW engines it might be a case of having to bite the bullet and find a trustworthy independent mechanic. Unless you can cajole a knowledgeable friend into helping you. The first step would involve removing the sump. Good luck. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "nick brearley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would never employ an independent mechanic. My father was a Matco tool distributor for many years...I have heard some stories. BMW's have been in my family since before I was born. There is plenty of knowledge there. I have rebuilt two M10 motors one of them when I was fourteen. I did not answer why I feel a compression check would help because it is off topic from my original question. If I do a compression check it will not hurt anything so there is no reason that I shouldn't do it. A compression check can tell you alot about the condition of the motor i.e. wear, rings leaking causes lack of pressure, could be my issue with burning some oil. I do lack plenty of knowledge especially about the E30, but I learn through interaction and experience. I imagine as I get older, I will learn more. I remember reading somewhere that the gauge has to have the right ohms to match the sender otherwise it won't read right ??? I think I have the wrong gauge. The oil pressure gauge I have only goes >>up to 80 psi. The ones in Bavarian and BMP have a 150psi limit for my >>application. > > Ryan, > > I wouldn't worry too much about the gauge. As you can see from the figures > Rich and Carlos gave you the pressure is not likely to exceed 80 psi. > Consequently if you get a gauge that reads to a higher pressure all that > will happen is that the needle will cover a shorter arc and you'll have a > harder job reading the value. > > Marco's suggestions as to the likely causes are right on the nail. Given > your current position on the learning curve about BMW engines it might be > a > case of having to bite the bullet and find a trustworthy independent > mechanic. Unless you can cajole a knowledgeable friend into helping you. > The first step would involve removing the sump. > > Good luck. > > Nick > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:47:35 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not all indies are bad. If you're in the San Fran bay area I can recommend 3 BMW indies that I would trust with my life. I guess I actually do since they wrench on my race car. I too prefer working on my car myself so I understand where you're coming from. cheers Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Simmons Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:23 AM To: nick brearley Cc: Ryan Simmons; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] One more oil pressure question I would never employ an independent mechanic. My father was a Matco tool distributor for many years...I have heard some stories. BMW's have been in my family since before I was born. There is plenty of knowledge there. I have rebuilt two M10 motors one of them when I was fourteen. I did not answer why I feel a compression check would help because it is off topic from my original question. If I do a compression check it will not hurt anything so there is no reason that I shouldn't do it. A compression check can tell you alot about the condition of the motor i.e. wear, rings leaking causes lack of pressure, could be my issue with burning some oil. I do lack plenty of knowledge especially about the E30, but I learn through interaction and experience. I imagine as I get older, I will learn more. I remember reading somewhere that the gauge has to have the right ohms to match the sender otherwise it won't read right ??? I think I have the wrong gauge. The oil pressure gauge I have only goes >>up to 80 psi. The ones in Bavarian and BMP have a 150psi limit for my >>application. > > Ryan, > > I wouldn't worry too much about the gauge. As you can see from the figures > Rich and Carlos gave you the pressure is not likely to exceed 80 psi. > Consequently if you get a gauge that reads to a higher pressure all that > will happen is that the needle will cover a shorter arc and you'll have a > harder job reading the value. > > Marco's suggestions as to the likely causes are right on the nail. Given > your current position on the learning curve about BMW engines it might be > a > case of having to bite the bullet and find a trustworthy independent > mechanic. Unless you can cajole a knowledgeable friend into helping you. > The first step would involve removing the sump. > > Good luck. > > Nick > > > > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:35:15 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you have the wrong sender-gauge combo the readings will be wrong. For example, an 80 PSI gauge on a 160 PSI sender would read half the actual oil pressure and vice versa. Joe 2000 323iT -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nick brearley Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:43 AM To: Ryan Simmons Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] One more oil pressure question At 22:06 30/08/05 -0700, Ryan Simmons wrote: >I think I have the wrong gauge. The oil pressure gauge I have only >goes up to 80 psi. The ones in Bavarian and BMP have a 150psi limit >for my application. Ryan, I wouldn't worry too much about the gauge. As you can see from the figures Rich and Carlos gave you the pressure is not likely to exceed 80 psi. Consequently if you get a gauge that reads to a higher pressure all that will happen is that the needle will cover a shorter arc and you'll have a harder job reading the value. Marco's suggestions as to the likely causes are right on the nail. Given your current position on the learning curve about BMW engines it might be a case of having to bite the bullet and find a trustworthy independent mechanic. Unless you can cajole a knowledgeable friend into helping you. The first step would involve removing the sump. Good luck. Nick Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "nick brearley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, but I trust the source of the sender (Bavarian Autosport). The source of the gauge is from a local import parts place. They specialize in VW's. They originaly gave me the wrong senders the first time I bought everything. The senders they sold me were too small and looked like they had a threads for an M10 or some small VW motor. > > Yes, and it looks as though that could be happening in this case. The only > thing is that Ryan mentioned initially that the gauge and sender were > specific to his motor. Still, wrong parts do get supplied sometimes... > > I'd be inclined to keep the gauge and try swapping the sender. > > Nick > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:39:57 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: 2002 525 turbo diesel Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, I am in the process of buying a 02 525 turbo diesel.. Is there anything I need to check with these cars? I am not sure if the car has a service history..It has 70k on the clock Any help would be great! Cheers, Eddie X5913 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:53:13 -0400 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 2002 525 turbo diesel Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> this list is largely made up of people in the US, where we don't get any diesel BMW's currently. the last diesel BMW's available in the US were E28's from the mid-late 80's. I'd look to locate a qualified independent BMW garage or a dealer if you trust them & see what they find. a full service history should be available for a 2002 production car, esp assuming that it's been serviced at a main BMW dealer. Ben Eddie wrote: > I am in the process of buying a 02 525 turbo diesel.. > Is there anything I need to check with these cars? > > I am not sure if the car has a service history..It has 70k on the clock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:42:29 +0100 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:35 31/08/05 -0400, Joe wrote: > > >If you have the wrong sender-gauge combo the readings will be wrong. For >example, an 80 PSI gauge on a 160 PSI sender would read half the actual oil >pressure and vice versa. Yes, and it looks as though that could be happening in this case. The only thing is that Ryan mentioned initially that the gauge and sender were specific to his motor. Still, wrong parts do get supplied sometimes... I'd be inclined to keep the gauge and try swapping the sender. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:24:20 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: One more oil pressure question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All engines have an oil pressure relief valve, it is needed for those high rpm winter starts. Some new engines have variable displacement oil pumps but that is another matter. >From reading the posts, first make sure the sender matches the gauge, and if possible, connect a mechanical gauge for reference. 30 psi at higher rpm is too low. Gary Derian > > For your '87 325e, BMW specs 0.5 bar (15 psi) at idle with engine at > operating temps and 4.0-6.0 bar (58-87 psi). I can't say for certain > whether the E30 has a oil pressure relief valve or not. > > Regards, > > Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:03:34 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "Steven Stern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <e36> fails new smog test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The chip may have some very small effect, but your big problem is the catalyst is not stripping oxygen off the NOx. This usually occurs when the atmosphere in the cat is oxidizing. Lean engine, air leaks, etc. are the usual suspects. High HC means misfire, which adds oxygen to the cat. Cats age and lose effectiveness. I need all the numbers for a better diagnosis. Gary Derian > > My 95 M3 recently failed the new CA smog test, it failed the 15mph dyno > test with extremely high NO ppm (3250) > and high HC (199), as a gross polluter. All other tests passed OK, even > the 25 mph dyno. > > The car has a conforti chip in it. I've had it chipped for ~ 7 yrs and it > has passed before with no problems, I always > make sure the CAT is really warm! . > > After it failed I read the computer codes and I saw a 1226 code, check > knock sensor. I just had an inspection II > today and my shop says they see that timing intervention is active at > idle, and timing advance measures 19 degrees, > while normal values are 7-18. > > They found nothing else wrong, they recommended I change gas (from Valero > to 76), put the original chip back in, > and have it re-tested. > > Has anyone else had similar problems with the new test ? Do you agree > with this advice ? > > thanks, > Steve > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <e36> fails new smog test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, August 30, 2005 7:43 pm, Steven Stern said: > My 95 M3 recently failed the new CA smog test, it failed the 15mph dyno > test with extremely high NO ppm (3250) > and high HC (199), as a gross polluter. All other tests passed OK, even > the 25 mph dyno. Gary makes a good point about the efficiency of the cats, they do go bad after a while. Here's my 2 cents worth of experience: I've had both cars roller-dyno tested in CA in the last year or so - 1998 M3/4 last Aug and the 1993 325is race car a couple of months ago. M3: JimC SW & intake (stock intake installed for test to pass visual); fresh plugs & oil change. Tested at 145,500 miles - ~70,000 on this cat. Passed: 15mph: HC - 33; CO% - 0.12; NO - 52 25mph: HC - 30; co% - 0.36; NO - 103 325is: JimC chip & intake (stock intake back in), S50 cams, RE exhaust; fresh plugs, oil change, new O2 sensor. Tested at 118,000 miles (original cat). Passed: 15mph: HC - 62; CO% - 0.13; NO - 207 25mph: HC - 41; co% - 0.08; NO - 200 Anyway, I would suggest doing the easy stuff first: plugs, oil change O2 sensor. But also consider that your cats may be bad (you didn't mention how many miles on your car). Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP - anyone in the SF Bay Area have a dead cat for this car (or '95 M3) they're looking to get rid of? Looking to put in a resonator :-) ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
