The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 10 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: RTABS Re: Discount Dealers? Re: Discount Dealers? Re: Discount Dealers? Re: Discount Dealers? Re: Discount Dealers? Re: Discount Dealers? Questions on Tourings (wagons) Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) <M50tu> vacuum leak
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:10:12 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RTABS Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No opinions on those, I've been running the ones that Bimmerworld sells in my E30 for a bit over a year now. They squeak. When I e-mailed James Clay about it, he said that they always assemble them with some fancy schmancy anti-sieze (I have the specifics at home if you want them), and that they never squeak when so installed. I was a bit disappointed that he hadn't told me that when I bought them to begin with. Now I'll have to take the car half apart again to lube them up. Anyway, the point is, find out what lube works best with your chosen bushings before you install them. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:29:33 -0800 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]>, > bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RTABS >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Any impressions on the RTABs from Ireland Engineering versus Powerflex? >Long term street use reliability in particular. >tia, >Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:15:09 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Malcolm, I have a whole list of dealers who give discounts. However, most of them mark up the parts over BMW list price, and after the discount, you're still paying BMW list, or more. That is why I specified that I'm looking for the dealers that discount from BMW list price. Circle is apparently one of the dealers that offers these deeper discounts, though. Thanks to Dennis Wynne for that, and he also mentioned Pacific and Crevier. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:36:43 -0600 >From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I believe most of the ones who advertise in Roundel give discounts. >Circle BMW is the one I recall, but I know there were others. > >FWIW, my local dealer, Momentum in Houston, gives BMW CCA discounts on >parts at their counter. > >Malcolm > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:53 PM >To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [UUC] Discount Dealers? > >Once upon a time there was a discussion about which dealers offered the >greatest discounts off of BMW list price. I seem to recall that Pacific >BMW was one of them. Is that correct? What are the others? There was >a >list of these places on a local E30 web site, but the page is "under >construction" right now. > >The particular parts I want to buy will be coming from Germany, if that >matters. > >TIA, > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:53:06 -0800 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:15 PM 12/22/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree on the markup point. I believe some of this has gotten worse in the past year as BMWNA implemented some sort of new "list pricing" structure (there's a name for this I can't recall) for dealers to follow. So for me, any blanket statement of "XX% off list price" is rather meaningless. Though I haven't shopped them in some time, Circle was, I believe, cost + 20%, which was rather more consistent and predictable. Will-call at Alexander BMW in Los Angeles was similar, though they've since then discontinued those discounts. I knew lots of people who got good, consistent pricing from Pacific, but I could never get anything below list out of them. Lately, I've established a relationship with the parts department at Crevier (coincidentally the dealership closest to work/home) and get consistent and reasonable, if not necessarily the best, pricing. And this relationship affords me some benefits such as extended returnability policies (special-order, electrical) and other incidentals. >Malcolm, I have a whole list of dealers who give discounts. However, most >of them mark up the parts over BMW list price, and after the discount, >you're still paying BMW list, or more. That is why I specified that I'm >looking for the dealers that discount from BMW list price. > >Circle is apparently one of the dealers that offers these deeper discounts, >though. Thanks to Dennis Wynne for that, and he also mentioned Pacific and >Crevier. > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:01:21 -0600 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scott, I admit that I did not know the "mark-up over list, then discount" trick was prevalent. Thanks for the info. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Discount Dealers? Malcolm, I have a whole list of dealers who give discounts. However, most of them mark up the parts over BMW list price, and after the discount, you're still paying BMW list, or more. That is why I specified that I'm looking for the dealers that discount from BMW list price. Circle is apparently one of the dealers that offers these deeper discounts, though. Thanks to Dennis Wynne for that, and he also mentioned Pacific and Crevier. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:36:43 -0600 >From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I believe most of the ones who advertise in Roundel give discounts. >Circle BMW is the one I recall, but I know there were others. > >FWIW, my local dealer, Momentum in Houston, gives BMW CCA discounts on >parts at their counter. > >Malcolm > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:53 PM >To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [UUC] Discount Dealers? > >Once upon a time there was a discussion about which dealers offered the >greatest discounts off of BMW list price. I seem to recall that Pacific >BMW was one of them. Is that correct? What are the others? There was >a >list of these places on a local E30 web site, but the page is "under >construction" right now. > >The particular parts I want to buy will be coming from Germany, if that >matters. > >TIA, > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:54 -0500 From: "Dean Boucouras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The BMW Store (Cincinnati, Ohio) offers some nice discounts. 513 271-8700 or 800 543-1649 Dean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:16:25 -0500 From: "Andy Messer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jake Sweeney BMW also in Cincy gives 20% off list with club membership. 513 782-1130; ask for Linda >The BMW Store (Cincinnati, Ohio) offers some nice discounts. > >513 271-8700 or 800 543-1649 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:18:41 -0800 (PST) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Discount Dealers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've found Pacific to be pretty generous with their discount. They also tend to charge more for shipping, which eliminates savings when buying in small quantities. I've used Circle for my last two purchases. Good discount there as well, shipping is a little more reasonable. Plus they are closer to me. When I've done direct price comparisons in the past I've not found one dealer that is consistently less expensive than the rest. Prices on individual parts seem to vary across the board. Find a guy that will work with you and stick with him. Even thought I only place a few orders per year the guy I'm using at Circle remembers me once I give him my name... David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:55:39 -0800 From: "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So, the lease on my '03 330i ZHP is coming to an end in July (anyone looking for a non-sunroof ZHP?). I'm starting my shopping early as I'm looking at getting a touring. This decision is based mainly b/c I'm a pack rat when I go places, especially with the dog... I like the looks of the E46 and the E39 tourings, but not so much the E90 or E65 tourings. Sooo, any things to look for in the E46 or E39 tourings? Unfortunately, power will be lacking as I want a manual transmission version. I will still have my wife's '02 M3 and the I-stock car for track fixes (not that I won't take the wagon out once in a while...). Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:59:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sooo, any things to look for in the E46 or E39 tourings? Unfortunately, > power will be lacking as I want a manual transmission version. > > I will still have my wife's '02 M3 and the I-stock car for track fixes > (not > that I won't take the wagon out once in a while...). > > Thanks, > > Kirk Lachman > Sin City Chapter > > As an owner of an 01 E46 Touring, I think I can speak to this. IMO the best part of the E46 touring is its transparancy against the sedan and even the coupe. Aside from different spring/shock tuning, the suspensions are identical. The wagon is slightly rear-heavy (~52%) and has the 2nd highest torsional rigidity in the unibody compared to the rest of the lineup. In MY00, 323i wagons (and convertibles) actually had 328/325 brakes, and starting midyear MY01, MT cars got 3.46:1 final drives shared with all 325 ATs, both to help make up performance from the increased weight. Incidentally, Mexico-spec 325iTs got the even larger 330 brakes. The diff ratio makes a big difference in the sensation of power, and makes the performance gap to the 330 (or even my M6?!?) seem (just _seem_) not so huge. Launching from a stop, and freeway speed acceleration are where it's most noticeable ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I took my car to Buttonwillow for my first track weekend this past fall, and didn't feel at much of a disadvantage power-wise. Rolling acceleration in 2nd gear, though, is where being down on power is really noticeable. >From a practicality standpoint, there's no comparison. Better rear seating, especially headroom. Better rear visibility. I've hauled: 32" CRT TV. Loveseat. 10ft electrical conduit. 10 wheels/tires. The separately-opening rear glass is one of my favorite features. I can't see myself replacing this with anything other than another touring. An E60M5 Touring would be great if I somehow had $100k to blow on a car, but since I don't, I'm eyeing the upcoming MINI Traveler. As for buying one, there's nothing to watch out for that's wagon-specific. The same laundry list of E46 issues all apply. Finding a MT would be tough for obvious reasons, though they ARE out there. BMW's CPO locator currently shows 9 in the whole country. -- Kazuto Okayasu Administrative Computing Services University of California, Irvine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:54:03 -0500 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a 00 323iT. I love the car and just IMHO they look better than the 4 door. YMMV :) If you want to avoid the steptronic you will have to look for awhile, most of them seem to be automatics. I can't think of any issue unique to the wagon version really. Joe Della Barba -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] Questions on Tourings (wagons) So, the lease on my '03 330i ZHP is coming to an end in July (anyone looking for a non-sunroof ZHP?). I'm starting my shopping early as I'm looking at getting a touring. This decision is based mainly b/c I'm a pack rat when I go places, especially with the dog... I like the looks of the E46 and the E39 tourings, but not so much the E90 or E65 tourings. Sooo, any things to look for in the E46 or E39 tourings? Unfortunately, power will be lacking as I want a manual transmission version. I will still have my wife's '02 M3 and the I-stock car for track fixes (not that I won't take the wagon out once in a while...). Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:08:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Kirk Lachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vic Maslanka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vic Wrote: >It will be hard to find a 2-wheel drive, manual transmission, sport >package E46 wagon. Yep, but they are out there! > And you can't have mine. Kinda selfish considering the season. :-) >I wouldn't buy one without the >sport package, or with the automatic. I agree. Even the diesel dually truck is a manual. >If I had to start over, I'd seriously consider the E90 wagon (or >whatever E code it has). Have the brochure in front of me now. >Perhaps you're turned off by the styling >changes, Kinda. Sorta. >but it is very similar functionally to the E46, with more >power and an extra transmission gear. More is better, especially when it is power and transmission gear choices (ok, I don't want a 12 speed manual but 6 is nice). Now, if it'd just come as a 330d for the US market... > You can order what you want >from the factory, and, if you keep the options down, price is not >unreasonable. Hmmm, restraint when ordering. That'll be new for me. However, it'll be easy to 'just say no' to I-drive. I'm being talked into the E90 by several folks. Of course, then I'll have to wait until August to pick it up as I'll get it Euro delivery in time for the Nurburgring school so it can get a proper start to life. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:44:42 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Questions on Tourings (wagons) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I suggest you try on an E39 540it for size. The manual isn't quite necessary. Just sit back and enjoy the torque. We came close to buyign one, but opted for an Allroad to get more usable space. Marc Plante E36 M3/4 68k Vienna, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] Questions on Tourings (wagons) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:55:39 -0800 > > So, the lease on my '03 330i ZHP is coming to an end in July (anyone looking > for a non-sunroof ZHP?). I'm starting my shopping early as I'm looking at > getting a touring. This decision is based mainly b/c I'm a pack rat when I > go places, especially with the dog... > > I like the looks of the E46 and the E39 tourings, but not so much the E90 or > E65 tourings. > > Sooo, any things to look for in the E46 or E39 tourings? Unfortunately, > power will be lacking as I want a manual transmission version. > > I will still have my wife's '02 M3 and the I-stock car for track fixes (not > that I won't take the wagon out once in a while...). > > Thanks, > > Kirk Lachman > Sin City Chapter > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:31:50 -0600 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: <M50tu> vacuum leak Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Car is high miler '93 525iT. The vacuum leak wasn't obvious until cold weather hit. In cold weather, the engine idles very rough such that it will die at a stop sign if left in drive. Once thoroughly warm, or in temps above 50F, things seem fine. However, even when idling smooth I can hear what sounds like a leak in the area of the middle of the engine. Pulling the dipstick or opening the oil fill cap produces no change in idle. So it's a pretty good leak. This seems odd to me b/c I remember before the problem how the engine would just lope if the oil fill cap was opened; it didn't adjust to the opening. With this problem, it seems to adjust and idles well when warm. Maybe it's something other than a vacuum leak??? I tried spraying some carb cleaner around and under the intake runners but nothing happened. Admittedly, I was a tad ginger about spraying that stuff under the runners on a warm engine with no fire extinguisher or water hose available. Any thoughts as to what it may be or what I should look at are appreciated. Clarence West Bend, WI ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
