The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 468 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: Tires Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: S54 into the E36 Re: OBC Functions
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have had pretty much every tire being discussed except for Pilot Sports. Could never bring myself to spend that much for a street tire that never sees even 7/10ths. Goodyear F1 GS-D3-Just got these from my tire guy for $167 each for a 245/40/18 when they were on sale at Tire Rack. Wouldn't pay full freight for them but a decent tire. Quiet so far but it is too early to tell. The softest sidewall I have ever experienced. I am running higher pressures than I ever have just to improve the feel. Great in the rain. ES100s-I thought I was driving a 4x4 with big tires. LOUD after 10k miles. Kuhmo 712-fine for daily driving. So loud on the track that I was hesitant to actually turn. I had swapped them back on for my track tires as the track was closed and then they opened it and I was too lazy to change back. Under braking they just sucked rocks. My last set was the Kuhmo SPT's which were just okay. I will refrain from a full review as one of my Konis failed and wasted the inside shoulder on one pretty quickly. The price was right though ($140 or so for an 18"). S03's-Had three sets. Really liked them and managed to coax 20k miles out of them every time (barely). I think the round shoulders are good for wear no my old semi-trailing arm suspension. Overall, I think the cheap Japanese tires while decently sticky have inferior ride quality and noise. I guess that is the trade off for the price. My wife's 323iT has those Pirelli PZero Nero M&S that have lasted nearly 30k miles, are quiet, and have fine grip for the kiddy hauler. They do follow the lines on a grooved freeway due to the siping. Good deal for a non-performance tire. I see no reason for the Pilots on the street given the price unless you drive well under 15k a year and drive a street tire on the track. Personally, I would rather thrash my $160 RA1 on the track than a $270 tire. Kevin Kelly 91 M5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 2 May 2007, kjk wrote: > I see no reason for the Pilots on the street given the > price unless you drive well under 15k a year and drive > a street tire on the track. My last set of PS2s went to 28K miles. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:50:40 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'kjk'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have seen posts about people running higher pressures on their tires. I run my street tires (conti sport contact) at the basic manufacture-recommended pressures of 30/35 I believe it is. How much higher can you safely go, and what is the benefit (for street use only) if any? Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kjk Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] Tires I have had pretty much every tire being discussed except for Pilot Sports. Could never bring myself to spend that much for a street tire that never sees even 7/10ths. Goodyear F1 GS-D3-Just got these from my tire guy for $167 each for a 245/40/18 when they were on sale at Tire Rack. Wouldn't pay full freight for them but a decent tire. Quiet so far but it is too early to tell. The softest sidewall I have ever experienced. I am running higher pressures than I ever have just to improve the feel. Great in the rain. ES100s-I thought I was driving a 4x4 with big tires. LOUD after 10k miles. Kuhmo 712-fine for daily driving. So loud on the track that I was hesitant to actually turn. I had swapped them back on for my track tires as the track was closed and then they opened it and I was too lazy to change back. Under braking they just sucked rocks. My last set was the Kuhmo SPT's which were just okay. I will refrain from a full review as one of my Konis failed and wasted the inside shoulder on one pretty quickly. The price was right though ($140 or so for an 18"). S03's-Had three sets. Really liked them and managed to coax 20k miles out of them every time (barely). I think the round shoulders are good for wear no my old semi-trailing arm suspension. Overall, I think the cheap Japanese tires while decently sticky have inferior ride quality and noise. I guess that is the trade off for the price. My wife's 323iT has those Pirelli PZero Nero M&S that have lasted nearly 30k miles, are quiet, and have fine grip for the kiddy hauler. They do follow the lines on a grooved freeway due to the siping. Good deal for a non-performance tire. I see no reason for the Pilots on the street given the price unless you drive well under 15k a year and drive a street tire on the track. Personally, I would rather thrash my $160 RA1 on the track than a $270 tire. Kevin Kelly 91 M5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:04:58 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can safely go as high as the pressure branded on the tire. The benefit is less tire squirm, less rolling resistance, better rim protection and a harsher ride. Factory inflation recommendations are for fully loaded vehicles, and towards understeer. Gary Derian >I have seen posts about people running higher pressures on their tires. I > run my street tires (conti sport contact) at the basic > manufacture-recommended pressures of 30/35 I believe it is. How much > higher > can you safely go, and what is the benefit (for street use only) if any? > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:16:08 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Gary Derian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks. I am going too low, then. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:05 PM To: Matt Bader; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Tires You can safely go as high as the pressure branded on the tire. The benefit is less tire squirm, less rolling resistance, better rim protection and a harsher ride. Factory inflation recommendations are for fully loaded vehicles, and towards understeer. Gary Derian >I have seen posts about people running higher pressures on their tires. I > run my street tires (conti sport contact) at the basic > manufacture-recommended pressures of 30/35 I believe it is. How much > higher > can you safely go, and what is the benefit (for street use only) if any? > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:27:39 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For a "normal" car, I generally raise the front pressure to equal the rear recommendation. For track use, too high is better than too low. I run from 36/36 to 40/40 in my M5. Gary Derian > Thanks. I am going too low, then. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:05 PM > To: Matt Bader; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Tires > > You can safely go as high as the pressure branded on the tire. The > benefit > is less tire squirm, less rolling resistance, better rim protection and a > harsher ride. > > Factory inflation recommendations are for fully loaded vehicles, and > towards > > understeer. > > Gary Derian > >>I have seen posts about people running higher pressures on their tires. I >> run my street tires (conti sport contact) at the basic >> manufacture-recommended pressures of 30/35 I believe it is. How much >> higher >> can you safely go, and what is the benefit (for street use only) if any? >> >> Matt Bader >> 98 M3/4 >> Delaware > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's hot though, right? In other words a max pressure 44 p.s.i. tire shouldn't be run at 44 p.s.i. cold. Also, at significantly higher pressures you tend to wear the center portion of the tread faster than the edges. For my street tires I just use whatever pressure gives me good handling, good gas mileage, and even wear (or as close as possible with the neg. camber I run) ... generally around 35-36 psi all around on the E28 and the E36. -tammer --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can safely go as high as the pressure branded on the > tire. The benefit > is less tire squirm, less rolling resistance, better rim > protection and a > harsher ride. > > Factory inflation recommendations are for fully loaded > vehicles, and towards > understeer. > > Gary Derian > > >I have seen posts about people running higher pressures > on their tires. I > > run my street tires (conti sport contact) at the basic > > manufacture-recommended pressures of 30/35 I believe it > is. How much > > higher > > can you safely go, and what is the benefit (for street > use only) if any? > > > > Matt Bader > > 98 M3/4 > > Delaware > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:03:16 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No, cold. A 44 psi tire can be inflated to 44 psi cold. Radial tire belts are stiffer than the sidewalls, so high pressure does not push out the center of the tread and increase the wear rate. It reduces the wear rate of the shoulders due to reduced squirm in corners. Gary Derian > That's hot though, right? In other words a max pressure 44 > p.s.i. tire shouldn't be run at 44 p.s.i. cold. Also, at > significantly higher pressures you tend to wear the center > portion of the tread faster than the edges. For my street > tires I just use whatever pressure gives me good handling, > good gas mileage, and even wear (or as close as possible > with the neg. camber I run) ... generally around 35-36 psi > all around on the E28 and the E36. > > -tammer > > --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You can safely go as high as the pressure branded on the >> tire. The benefit >> is less tire squirm, less rolling resistance, better rim >> protection and a >> harsher ride. >> >> Factory inflation recommendations are for fully loaded >> vehicles, and towards >> understeer. >> >> Gary Derian >> >> >I have seen posts about people running higher pressures >> on their tires. I >> > run my street tires (conti sport contact) at the basic >> > manufacture-recommended pressures of 30/35 I believe it >> is. How much >> > higher >> > can you safely go, and what is the benefit (for street >> use only) if any? >> > >> > Matt Bader >> > 98 M3/4 >> > Delaware >> >> Search the >> > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> > __________________________________________________________________________ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder >> of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of >> the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:19:19 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloci YEARS ago... decent all-season tires... worked OK pretty-much everywhere assuming you don't have the space to store an extra set of tires. I traded up to the old Pilot Sports... great tire. My last set of summer tires was Avon Tech M500s decent cheap tires if they never see a track... they aren't the best but the price is hard to beat for the performance. I had a set of Yoko AVS Sports on my P-car, and was NOT impressed at all. They were greasy when hot, and dangerous when cold (50F) and outright treacherous in the rain... HTH. -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 06:55:47 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> since i got the vette, my E36 M3 has been retired to daily driver status...it used to just live as a auto-x/track car and it sat on kumho V700s full time... after getting caught in a few downpours with the r-comps, i decided to get new tires...since it wasnt gonna be raced anymore, i figured black and round was all i needed...didnt need any expensive performance tires on it, so i went the cheap route...feredal 595...235/40/17 for ~$85/tire... worked great in the wet (well, comapred to my shaved V700s), and since i dont really push it on the street, it worked fine for me (now i take the vette when i wanna do some spirited driving)...season runoffs came up for auto-x, so i decide to use the M3...wow, those tires are absolute crap when pushed hard...breaks away too easily, no warning, not too much grip...manufacturer rates it an "A" traction rating...if it's used just as a street only tire, then it's adequate, but for any type of fast driving, pass on these... jay <-never buying federals again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:59:24 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jay G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Traction ratings have nothing to do with handling, its a 40 mph wet braking test on barely wetted coarse concrete. Any crap tire can get an A rating. Some older low rolling resistance tires had a B rating. Those are scary in the wet. I've never seen a C rated tire, except for some DOT R type tires which weren't tested. Go for an AA rating. Gary Derian > crap when pushed hard...breaks away too easily, no warning, not too much > grip...manufacturer rates it an "A" traction rating...if it's used just as > a street only tire, then it's adequate, but for any type of fast driving, > pass on these... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 07:43:14 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i just went ouitside to double check the federal 595 tires, and they have a treadwear 240, traction AA, and treadwear A rating... still crap to me :D i always thought that the traction rating was a dry traction rating- learned it from my high school auto mechanics teacher...thanx for educating me gary... Gary Derian wrote: > Traction ratings have nothing to do with handling, its a 40 mph wet > braking test on barely wetted coarse concrete. Any crap tire can get an > A rating. Some older low rolling resistance tires had a B rating. Those > are scary in the wet. I've never seen a C rated tire, except for some > DOT R type tires which weren't tested. Go for an AA rating. > Gary Derian > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:36:26 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clyde and Jason, The GoodYear F1s you say. That's something I'll look into. Weren't these the tires that Car and Driver rated highest last year on their tire test? -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. 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Some are reasonably >accurate, others are not even close. Here is what a friend got on >*real* scales back when his 1999 M Coupe rolled out of the showroom >and was weighed as delivered: > > Thanks to Rick XXXXXXXX, we now know how much an M Coupe really weighs. > > At 1/4 tank (I figure about 2 gallons actually before the light comes > on), 2998. I didn't remove anything from the car, like floor mats, > manuals, tools, etc. There is no jack and no spare tire, of course. > >A 1999 M Coupe straight from the showroom and on to a set of Longacre >scales and it weighed 2998 pounds. > >Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OBC Functions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, May 2, 2007 7:52 am, kjk said: > Jim Bassett wrote: > > http://www.unofficialbmw.com/repair_faqs/obc.html > > Great link Jim. You're welcome. The bookmark to the Unofficial E36 Home Page has got to be one of my oldest BMW bookmarks :-) Jim Bassettt ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
