The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 466 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36> M3 Tires Re: S54 into the E36 (was <OT> GM Trucks) Re: S54 into the E36 Re: S54 into the E36 Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) Re: S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) Re: S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <E36> M3 tires Re: <E36> M3 tires
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:51:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kirk Lachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW UUC Digest <[email protected]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kazuto wrote: >I have about 1k miles on a set of T1-R on my E24, and I'm >disappointed in those, too. Friends who have had the T1-S and the R >tend to like the old S better. The biggest problem I have with the >Toyo on this car (on higher-profile 16"ers) is that, compared to the >old Dunlop 8000s that were on it before, the sidewalls flop over way >too early, and probably for related reasons, have really sloppy turn-in. My experience with the T1-R is that you need to really inflate these puppies up for them to work well. I run 40-ish psi in them F&R in the E46 M3 plus zero sizes that I have. Higher pressures (vs. normal 36-ish psi to start) resulted in crisper turn in and less of a mushy feeling than before. I didn't notice any loss of grip between the two pressures. They are much quieter than the T1-S and seem to last longer, but that's it. I like 'em, but I get them really cheap as Toyo helps me out on the race car, etc. The T1-R was good in the wet the one time I actually drove on the street in the wet with them... >The tire I'm currently curious about is the new Bridgestone RE-01R. These things are amazing (and priced accordingly -- unless you get a free set to test like I did). Turn in is "right f'n now" when you move the wheel. Grip is nearly R-coumpound level when hot. No idea on wear b/c I only use them for track events (and to/from the track). They didn't seem to kick up all the little rocks during street use like an R-compound tire would, so that's a plus. Again, this is on the E46 M3. They are simply amazing for a 'street' tire. No idea on tread wear as I haven't used my set too much (enough to know they rock though!). They are almost silent moving down the road (I still have alot of tread left though). If you have the spare $$$, I'd give 'em a try. Hope this helps. Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:25:48 -0400 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: S54 into the E36 (was <OT> GM Trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob, 2,940 lbs for the MZ3 Coupe? Everything I've read says 3,131 lbs. with the S52. Or are you talking minimum weights for some race class? Woody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: [UUC] S54 into the E36 (was <OT> GM Trucks) > It should be a fun conversion. > > Taking out tire height and gearing differences, a quick analysis of weight > to power ratios gives a glimpse into the anticipated performance. While > this S54 is staying internally unmodified at this point, it is getting > long-tube headers and free-flowing metal matrix cats, a combination > regularly shown to generate nearly 370hp (crank) on the E46 M3s. > > Bench racing numbers: > > E46 M3 - 3415lbs, 333hp > 1b/hp=10.25 > > Z3 M Coupe - 2940lbs, 240lbs > with 240hp S52, lb/hp= 12.25 > with 333hp S54, lb/hp= 8.83 > > Z4 M Coupe - 3108lbs, 333hp > 1b/hp= 9.33 > > E36 M3 - 3150lbs > with 240hp S52, 1b/hp= 13.12 > with 333hp S54, 1b/hp= 9.46 > with 369hp tweaked S54, lb/hp= 8.53 > > My M3 is already fitted with the E46 M3 6-speed gearbox, 3.64 diff, more > weight dropped thanks to BBS wheels, Recaro seats, UUC exhaust, UUC > brakes, > and all my hot air. > > - Rob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > 20mpg on a mixed commute is in the "happy" range for me with a fun car > with >> > a strong motor. >> >> Me too. The only problem with the M Roadster is the puny (12.5gal) >> gas tank which does restrict the range of the car a bit. Otherwise I >> love it, I would love to have that drivetrain in an E36 chassis - I am >> about to be jealous... >> >> Jamie > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 17:05:05 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: S54 into the E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:25 PM 5/1/2007, Woody wrote: >2,940 lbs for the MZ3 Coupe? Everything I've read says 3,131 lbs. >with the S52. BMW list weights are all over the place. Some are reasonably accurate, others are not even close. Here is what a friend got on *real* scales back when his 1999 M Coupe rolled out of the showroom and was weighed as delivered: Thanks to Rick XXXXXXXX, we now know how much an M Coupe really weighs. At 1/4 tank (I figure about 2 gallons actually before the light comes on), 2998. I didn't remove anything from the car, like floor mats, manuals, tools, etc. There is no jack and no spare tire, of course. A 1999 M Coupe straight from the showroom and on to a set of Longacre scales and it weighed 2998 pounds. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:12:57 -0400 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "Rex Tener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Rex Tener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: S54 into the E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Having just bought one in December, I say. . . cool! Woody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Tener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Rex Tener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] S54 into the E36 > At 04:25 PM 5/1/2007, Woody wrote: >>2,940 lbs for the MZ3 Coupe? Everything I've read says 3,131 lbs. with >>the S52. > > BMW list weights are all over the place. Some are reasonably accurate, > others are not even close. Here is what a friend got on *real* scales > back when his 1999 M Coupe rolled out of the showroom and was weighed as > delivered: > > Thanks to Rick XXXXXXXX, we now know how much an M Coupe really > weighs. > > At 1/4 tank (I figure about 2 gallons actually before the light comes > on), 2998. I didn't remove anything from the car, like floor mats, > manuals, tools, etc. There is no jack and no spare tire, of course. > > A 1999 M Coupe straight from the showroom and on to a set of Longacre > scales and it weighed 2998 pounds. > > Rex > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:27:26 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've heard from other sources that the PS2s are greats, as are the SO3s (but which have older data) But I've heard even beter things about the GoodYear F1 GS-D3s (which are newer than the PS2s) HTH. -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS > From the Tirerack web site it looks like the Michellin PS2's are superior > to the Pole Position S03's and the Kumho MX's and even the old Pilot Sports > while offering fairly good wear performance. Anyone have first hand > experience with this model? How are the Yoko Neova's. They spec close to > the Pilot Sports. > Below the wear bars on my back tires and looking for new. > > Kevin > E36 M3 with Dinan SC- 17.03mpg but needs a clutch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 22:50:48 -0400 From: "m3 drvr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My quick 2 cents...I have the GoodYear F1s and they have been GREAT. No issues, good on bumps and very good in the rain (Mass). I probably have 10k miles on them and they will probably last another 10 - 15k more. Recommended. Clyde 98 M3/4 >From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> M3 tires >Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:27:26 -0400 > >I've heard from other sources that the PS2s are greats, as are the SO3s >(but which have older data) But I've heard even beter things about the >GoodYear F1 GS-D3s (which are newer than the PS2s) > >HTH. > >-Jason >'86 951 "Sparky" >'70 240Z "Dusty" >'03 325xi "Daisy" >'06 Mini CooperS > > > > > From the Tirerack web site it looks like the Michellin PS2's are >superior > > to the Pole Position S03's and the Kumho MX's and even the old Pilot >Sports > > while offering fairly good wear performance. Anyone have first hand > > experience with this model? How are the Yoko Neova's. They spec close to > > the Pilot Sports. > > Below the wear bars on my back tires and looking for new. > > > > Kevin > > E36 M3 with Dinan SC- 17.03mpg but needs a clutch. > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 16:30:19 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:47 PM 5/1/2007, Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: I've heard that there is some euro E36 Touring + S54 project going on somewhere in the US. This isn't it, is it? >It should be a fun conversion. > >Taking out tire height and gearing differences, a quick analysis of weight >to power ratios gives a glimpse into the anticipated performance. While >this S54 is staying internally unmodified at this point, it is getting >long-tube headers and free-flowing metal matrix cats, a combination >regularly shown to generate nearly 370hp (crank) on the E46 M3s. > >Bench racing numbers: > >E46 M3 - 3415lbs, 333hp >1b/hp=10.25 > >Z3 M Coupe - 2940lbs, 240lbs >with 240hp S52, lb/hp= 12.25 >with 333hp S54, lb/hp= 8.83 > >Z4 M Coupe - 3108lbs, 333hp >1b/hp= 9.33 > >E36 M3 - 3150lbs >with 240hp S52, 1b/hp= 13.12 >with 333hp S54, 1b/hp= 9.46 >with 369hp tweaked S54, lb/hp= 8.53 > >My M3 is already fitted with the E46 M3 6-speed gearbox, 3.64 diff, more >weight dropped thanks to BBS wheels, Recaro seats, UUC exhaust, UUC brakes, >and all my hot air. > >- Rob > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > 20mpg on a mixed commute is in the "happy" range for me with a fun car >with > > > a strong motor. > > > > Me too. The only problem with the M Roadster is the puny (12.5gal) > > gas tank which does restrict the range of the car a bit. Otherwise I > > love it, I would love to have that drivetrain in an E36 chassis - I am > > about to be jealous... > > > > Jamie > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 20:04:29 -0400 From: Kevin Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kazuto Okayasu wrote: > I've heard that there is some euro E36 Touring + S54 project going on > somewhere in the US. This isn't it, is it? James Clay at bimmerworld is working on that one. With a turbo... Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:07:17 -0400 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you mean this? http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2561560 Turbo S52, not S54. Woody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] S54 into the E36(was <OT> GM Trucks) > At 02:47 PM 5/1/2007, Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: > > I've heard that there is some euro E36 Touring + S54 project going on > somewhere in the US. This isn't it, is it? > >>It should be a fun conversion. >> >>Taking out tire height and gearing differences, a quick analysis of weight >>to power ratios gives a glimpse into the anticipated performance. While >>this S54 is staying internally unmodified at this point, it is getting >>long-tube headers and free-flowing metal matrix cats, a combination >>regularly shown to generate nearly 370hp (crank) on the E46 M3s. >> >>Bench racing numbers: >> >>E46 M3 - 3415lbs, 333hp >>1b/hp=10.25 >> >>Z3 M Coupe - 2940lbs, 240lbs >>with 240hp S52, lb/hp= 12.25 >>with 333hp S54, lb/hp= 8.83 >> >>Z4 M Coupe - 3108lbs, 333hp >>1b/hp= 9.33 >> >>E36 M3 - 3150lbs >>with 240hp S52, 1b/hp= 13.12 >>with 333hp S54, 1b/hp= 9.46 >>with 369hp tweaked S54, lb/hp= 8.53 >> >>My M3 is already fitted with the E46 M3 6-speed gearbox, 3.64 diff, more >>weight dropped thanks to BBS wheels, Recaro seats, UUC exhaust, UUC >>brakes, >>and all my hot air. >> >>- Rob >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > > 20mpg on a mixed commute is in the "happy" range for me with a fun >> > > car >>with >> > > a strong motor. >> > >> > Me too. The only problem with the M Roadster is the puny (12.5gal) >> > gas tank which does restrict the range of the car a bit. Otherwise I >> > love it, I would love to have that drivetrain in an E36 chassis - I am >> > about to be jealous... >> > >> > Jamie >> >>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services > Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Having run the ES100s and the T1Rs on the same car at the same track a few weekends apart, I can tell you the T1Rs are much faster. They just grip better under just about every circumstance. They do have a somewhat rounded shoulder compared with other tires of that size, however. I agree with Chris, you have to spend ~$50/tire more to get a significantly better tire. -tammer --- Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 01:38 PM 5/1/2007, Chris Eck wrote: > > I have about 1k miles on a set of T1-R on my E24, and I'm > > disappointed in those, too. Friends who have had the > T1-S and the R > tend to like the old S better. The biggest problem I > have with the > Toyo on this car (on higher-profile 16"ers) is that, > compared to the > old Dunlop 8000s that were on it before, the sidewalls > flop over way > too early, and probably for related reasons, have really > sloppy turn-in. > > I hate to say it, because they're so noisy and they get a > lot of > grief because of it, but I still like Yokohama ES100s. > > The tire I'm currently curious about is the new > Bridgestone RE-01R. > > >I've been pretty happy with the Toyo T1S and its > replacement, the > >T1R. They're cheaper than the class leaders, but wet > and dry > >traction is great, and other than destroying one in an > afternoon in > >turn 13 at Nelson Ledges, they've worn very well. Only > complaint I > >have is that they feel a little numb, but I'll buy them > again. > > > >Chris Eck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just checked it today after all this MPG talk, my Volvo pickup with a camper shell (88 740 turbo wagon) 212k I bought this beater for $1 and after a few repairs it delivers 20 mpg in town, cold a/c, good heater, no leaks, hot seats in leather. and everything works - eat your heart out Alex :-) Phil Davis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:11:58 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Phil Davis'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have see AND driven this car, and for $1, you may have paid too much for it...well, unless it had a third of a gallon of gas in the tank. LOL. Alex > Just checked it today after all this MPG talk, my Volvo pickup with a > camper shell (88 740 turbo wagon) 212k I bought this beater for $1 and > after a few repairs it delivers 20 mpg in town, cold a/c, good heater, no > leaks, hot seats in leather. and everything works - eat your heart out > Alex :-) > > Phil Davis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well Alex that was then and this is NOW - and it had 3/4 tank of premium, actually with taxes, car cost, and a license plate it was $46.00. You have not seen or driven it recently BOY - it now has a new (to me) tailgate, dog house from a 91, brake pads and rotors, turbo, all fluids (you wouldn't know about this cause its called maintenance), taillamp assemblies, tune up (more maintenance) and I still don't have $800.00 in it. So now what you have to say? Its on a long trip tomorrow - fishing and yes it has a hitch and pulls a boat just fine. I will think about you as I make each cast while you dye from exhaust fumes and heat at ADE :-) Phil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:49:31 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 02:39:28PM -0500, Paul Garnier wrote: > I've been through Kuhmo MX's, Goodyear F1-GSD3's (good rain+street bad 4 > track), Kumho 712's (OMG-garbage!), Firestone Firehawk SZ (nice tire for > money, probably not grippy enuf for track), and the PS2's I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the Kumho 712. When I changed from my S-03's, my autocross times went way up - they just don't have the traction. Serves me right for going cheap. Oh yeah, but I guess I don't learn. I put the General Exclaim UHP on the 528 recently ($78 vs. $198 for the PS2). So far, so good. Quiet. I did a few braking exercises and found them more than adequate. I would definitely try them out for an auto-x. I'm sure they're not as good as the PS2 when driven really hard, but I'm equally sure that they're way more than 39% as good (based on the price). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M3 tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the Kumho 712. When I > changed from my S-03's, my autocross times went way up - they just > don't have the traction. Serves me right for going cheap. The one redeeming value of the Kumhos though is that they're great on the track, especially if you're a newbie, they'll talk to you a lot. Even as a non newbie I was chasing down E46 M3s and euro motored E36 M3s in my Kumho (205 width) shod E30 and I couldn't kill those tires even though they were screaming for mercy. :-) On the street they suck though, they seem to develop a flat spot if the car sits for a couple of days, flop, flop, flop. And ES100s! Kaz you're kidding me, you just lost all sorts of credibility with that comment. The only redeeming value those tires have is that they look cool. :-) Alright maybe not that bad but I would only recommend them to people that are too cheap to spend money on good street tires (like me). I've bought them twice now for two different cars but I'm not terribly picky about my street tires, my E30 was still on snow tires as of last week and my E36 M3 is still on snow tires. On-ramps tend to be a little noisy when I'm merging onto the highway. :-D Carlos 89 325i now on ES100s 98 M3 still on Pirellis x-91 M3 aka the E46 M3 killer. ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
