The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 605 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: carfax needed Wanted - Software Firehand Ember Max- No BMW content carfax needed- Got it, THANKS! Any way to recover Freon w/o going to a shop? Re: Any way to recover Freon w/o going to a shop? Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 <OT> Tow Beast Mileage WTB E36 M3 Front Sub-Frame <e36> Michellin PS2's
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:37:32 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], E36M3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bimmer List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], E30 Yahoo Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: carfax needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wbsdc9302j2875331 TIA, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:54:32 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Wanted - Software Firehand Ember Max- No BMW content Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone have the .exe install file for Firehand Ember Max image management software? This is the full, pay, version, not the free "Ember" (no Max) version. Seems they've gone out of business. Of course, I didn't save the install file and with a new computer, I have my installation key, but don't have the program anymore. If anyone happens to have it, please email it to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:42:33 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], E36M3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bimmer List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], E30 Yahoo Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: carfax needed- Got it, THANKS! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TIA, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:59:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kirk Lachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW UUC Digest <[email protected]>, E36M3 List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Any way to recover Freon w/o going to a shop? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The race car is about to get the motor pulled. Right now everything (subframe included) behind the trans is pulled off (for other reasons). I plan on removing the a/c system since I'm moving to prepared class (and have a cool suit so I don't need a/c anymore). However, I don't want to do the easy (and illegal) thing of venting the freon (134, fwiw) to the environment. I thought I'd seen a car show on TV where they captured the freon in a glorified trash bag (with a fitting) and then brought it to a shop to be recovered. I tried google to locate this but had no luck. Anyone have any ideas here? Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:36:18 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kirk Lachman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Any way to recover Freon w/o going to a shop? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Use a non-glorified trash bag. It works great. Tape the opening closed but for a small slit, insert hose in bag, vent gas, tape up slit. What shop will trust what you tell them you have and risk contaminating their stuff? If you take your car to a shop, that may work better, but is a major pain. Honestly, venting a little R134 isn't a big deal, but its the sort of thing we all strive to avoid. Gary Derian > The race car is about to get the motor pulled. Right now everything > (subframe included) behind the trans is pulled off (for other reasons). > > I plan on removing the a/c system since I'm moving to prepared class (and > have a cool suit so I don't need a/c anymore). However, I don't want to > do the easy (and illegal) thing of venting the freon (134, fwiw) to the > environment. > > I thought I'd seen a car show on TV where they captured the freon in a > glorified trash bag (with a fitting) and then brought it to a shop to be > recovered. I tried google to locate this but had no luck. > > Anyone have any ideas here? > > Thanks, > > Kirk Lachman > Sin City Chapter > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:11:36 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So I'm considering a daily driver for my wife and originally I was leaning towards an E36 325 but thinking about it more I might rather get into an E46 323. My question stems from the fact that I'm not very knowledgeable on the differences between say the E36 325 and the E46 323, mainly motor stuff. Will M/S50 motor parts like cams work in the E46? I'm thinking that the E46 is the M52B25...is that right? I am pretty sure the early E46's did not utilize the M54 engines, those were a bit later. I'm just curious, I have no evil plans. Thanks for any input. Jack Money '88 M3 race car '98 740i ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:54:28 -0500 From: "Bill Proud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Whatever you do .........DONT get a 323i AUTOMATIC !! They ALL lose reverse gear at various times -it is an internal failure that BMW and GM (Strasbourg ..makers of the trans ) have refused to acknowledge . The same trans was used in a later Caddilonk (??the CTS ??) and had the same problems . There is a web-page (I had it a month or so ago-sent it to UUC too ) with hundreds of folks who have had the identical problem ........it works one second , doesnt the next ....with no loud bangs or thumps . They simply quit .BMW dealers seem to quote from $4500 to $7K (!!!) to replace (NOT rebuild !) There are Caddy TSBs that discuss an internal solenoid failure , but ZERO for BMW . Bill Proud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: [UUC] Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 > So I'm considering a daily driver for my wife and originally I was leaning > towards an E36 325 but thinking about it more I might rather get into an > E46 > 323. My question stems from the fact that I'm not very knowledgeable on > the > differences between say the E36 325 and the E46 323, mainly motor stuff. > Will M/S50 motor parts like cams work in the E46? I'm thinking that the > E46 > is the M52B25...is that right? I am pretty sure the early E46's did not > utilize the M54 engines, those were a bit later. > > I'm just curious, I have no evil plans. Thanks for any input. > > Jack Money > '88 M3 race car > '98 740i > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:36:29 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The E46 323 and 328s have M52TU motors. The major change was the addition of double-VANOS, but I believe other major mechanical bits (like the whole reciprocating assembly) had minor changes, as well as the usual suspects like electronics. I'd think the exhaust cam is definitely not interchangeable since there'd be no drive attachment for VANOS on the M50/M52 one, though I have no idea what happens when VANOS is ripped out like what happens to race motors. I don't have much experience with E36s but I've had my E46 for 6+ years, and don't have too many complaints. It's sure easier to work on than my E24 M6. I just replaced the odometer gears on the latter, and that gauge cluster took 4-5x longer to take out than on the E46. >So I'm considering a daily driver for my wife and originally I was leaning >towards an E36 325 but thinking about it more I might rather get into an E46 >323. My question stems from the fact that I'm not very knowledgeable on the >differences between say the E36 325 and the E46 323, mainly motor stuff. >Will M/S50 motor parts like cams work in the E46? I'm thinking that the E46 >is the M52B25...is that right? I am pretty sure the early E46's did not >utilize the M54 engines, those were a bit later. > >I'm just curious, I have no evil plans. Thanks for any input. > >Jack Money >'88 M3 race car >'98 740i > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:38:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Chet Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bill Proud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack - Elephant Motorsports <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill, I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there were two different auto transmissions used in the e46 323i. Easiest to discern is via model year probably. They have a different shift surround as a visual aid. The 1999 (sedan only, coupe was an e36) I think was the transmission you mentioned. The 2000 model year had what I think is a ZF auto and is a steptronic. We've had our 323i auto for 7 years since it was new and it is still a great car. Perhaps a 325i would be an improvement, but so would a 330i. :) And I'd still rather drive the M3 for spirited drives, but the sedan and wagon have a different purpose in life. I've had zero transmission health issues with both our e46 323i and e46 325i wagon, both are autos. However, our 323i has the later trans (steptronic). I did however have a few drivability complaints with the 325i auto, it has been to the dealer for a flash update which fixed a downshift harshness issue when rolling to a stop, and it is not as intuitive as the 323i version is. Oh, and the silly BMW engineers changed the steptronic shift pattern, so one pushing shifts up and the other car pushing the lever shifts down. Annoying. Jack, Our 2000 323i e46 has the dual VANOS engine which I think makes it the M54? The engine appears identical on the outside to our later 2003 325i touring (and NOT to my S50). But it has a slightly lower power rating than the 325i car it preceded. Cams are the largest difference between them and from driving the two I suspect a substantial difference in pedal to throttle progression as the 325i wagon 'feels' faster than the 323i sedan, but as a former engine calibrator, I think it is all pedal tuning and not really substance. Unfortunately I can't speak to camshaft compatibility which I know was your original question. Sorry. Cheers, Chet Dawes -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Proud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Whatever you do .........DONT get a 323i AUTOMATIC !! They ALL lose reverse >gear at various times -it is an internal failure that BMW and GM (Strasbourg >..makers of the trans ) have refused to acknowledge . The same trans was >used in a later Caddilonk (??the CTS ??) and had the same problems . >There is a web-page (I had it a month or so ago-sent it to UUC too ) with >hundreds of folks who have had the identical problem ........it works one >second , doesnt the next ....with no loud bangs or thumps . They simply quit >.BMW dealers seem to quote from $4500 to $7K (!!!) to replace (NOT rebuild >!) > >There are Caddy TSBs that discuss an internal solenoid failure , but ZERO >for BMW . > >Bill Proud >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> So I'm considering a daily driver for my wife and originally I was leaning >> towards an E36 325 but thinking about it more I might rather get into an >> E46 >> 323. My question stems from the fact that I'm not very knowledgeable on >> the >> differences between say the E36 325 and the E46 323, mainly motor stuff. >> Will M/S50 motor parts like cams work in the E46? I'm thinking that the >> E46 >> is the M52B25...is that right? I am pretty sure the early E46's did not >> utilize the M54 engines, those were a bit later. >> >> I'm just curious, I have no evil plans. Thanks for any input. >> >> Jack Money >> '88 M3 race car >> '98 740i >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:15:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Chet Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kazuto, Thanks, this confirms my thought that our two cars have the same transmission despite 3 model years difference. (Based on build date) It also means that I have no experience with the transmission Bill commented on, but that Jack or any other potential buyer may want to check the build date of said 323i. I agree, the MT is the preferred transmission for most things. My wife tends to argue that with a 2 year old in the back seat and dealing with Metro Detroit traffic (but not anymore!) the auto has a significant advantage. Thus, we don't have MT's in all the cars. So how much work is it to swap the steptronic shift up/down to be consistent with our two auto-trans cars? Cheers, Chet -----Original Message----- >From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 1, 2007 4:56 PM >To: 'BMW UUC Digest' <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [UUC] Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 > >At 01:38 PM 11/1/2007, Chet Dawes wrote: >>Bill, >>I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there were two different auto >>transmissions used in the e46 323i. Easiest to discern is via model >>year probably. They have a different shift surround as a visual >>aid. The 1999 (sedan only, coupe was an e36) I think was the >>transmission you mentioned. The 2000 model year had what I think is >>a ZF auto and is a steptronic. > >The 'which tranny is which' issue on E46s is pretty confusing, >because there's no way from the model year or shift gate to >definitively tell whether you've got a GM 5L40E or a ZF 5HP19. > >http://www.taligentx.com/passat/maintenance/atfchange/BMW_ATF.pdf > >I have a newer revision of that at home somewhere, but that's a BMW >chart showing what's in where. Mine has a Getrag MT in it so I don't >have much of a vested interest. :) > > >> Oh, and the silly BMW engineers changed the steptronic shift >> pattern, so one pushing shifts up and the other car pushing the >> lever shifts down. Annoying. > >That was done in MY02 to make Steptronic +/- direction align to SMG, >which was introduced in MY02. This can be swapped one way for the >other if this really bothers you. > > >>Jack, >>Our 2000 323i e46 has the dual VANOS engine which I think makes it >>the M54? The engine appears identical on the outside to our later >>2003 325i touring (and NOT to my S50). But it has a slightly lower >>power rating than the 325i car it preceded. Cams are the largest >>difference between them and from driving the two I suspect a >>substantial difference in pedal to throttle progression as the 325i >>wagon 'feels' faster than the 323i sedan, but as a former engine >>calibrator, I think it is all pedal tuning and not really substance. >>Unfortunately I can't speak to camshaft compatibility which I know >>was your original question. Sorry. > >I've driven a few 323s, and it seems to me that at least some of the >difference is attributable to the 323's semi-mechanical throttle >linkage vs the 325's fully electronic one. And in my case, MT 325 >wagons were equipped with shorter-ratio diffs from the automatic, so >it's extra 'lively' at launch. > > > >>Cheers, >>Chet Dawes > >Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services >Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:56:18 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'BMW UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Comparing an E36 325 to an E46 323 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:38 PM 11/1/2007, Chet Dawes wrote: >Bill, >I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there were two different auto >transmissions used in the e46 323i. Easiest to discern is via model >year probably. They have a different shift surround as a visual >aid. The 1999 (sedan only, coupe was an e36) I think was the >transmission you mentioned. The 2000 model year had what I think is >a ZF auto and is a steptronic. The 'which tranny is which' issue on E46s is pretty confusing, because there's no way from the model year or shift gate to definitively tell whether you've got a GM 5L40E or a ZF 5HP19. http://www.taligentx.com/passat/maintenance/atfchange/BMW_ATF.pdf I have a newer revision of that at home somewhere, but that's a BMW chart showing what's in where. Mine has a Getrag MT in it so I don't have much of a vested interest. :) > Oh, and the silly BMW engineers changed the steptronic shift > pattern, so one pushing shifts up and the other car pushing the > lever shifts down. Annoying. That was done in MY02 to make Steptronic +/- direction align to SMG, which was introduced in MY02. This can be swapped one way for the other if this really bothers you. >Jack, >Our 2000 323i e46 has the dual VANOS engine which I think makes it >the M54? The engine appears identical on the outside to our later >2003 325i touring (and NOT to my S50). But it has a slightly lower >power rating than the 325i car it preceded. Cams are the largest >difference between them and from driving the two I suspect a >substantial difference in pedal to throttle progression as the 325i >wagon 'feels' faster than the 323i sedan, but as a former engine >calibrator, I think it is all pedal tuning and not really substance. >Unfortunately I can't speak to camshaft compatibility which I know >was your original question. Sorry. I've driven a few 323s, and it seems to me that at least some of the difference is attributable to the 323's semi-mechanical throttle linkage vs the 325's fully electronic one. And in my case, MT 325 wagons were equipped with shorter-ratio diffs from the automatic, so it's extra 'lively' at launch. >Cheers, >Chet Dawes Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:43:06 -0500 From: "Paul Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: <OT> Tow Beast Mileage Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I know some of you all run some heavy duty trucks to tow you BMW's so I thought I'd inquire as to gas mileage. I currently have a 1996 Suburban 2500 that I bought for towing and use more and more for family trips. I love the thing for this stuff but with the 7.4 liter chebbie inhaling $2.75 per gallon at 10 mpg (8 when towing, best tank ever at 13mpg), I'm looking for a better plan. I'd like to get a diesel, but the last diesels in Suburbans were built in 1999. I may still go there since I should be able to manage 15-20 mpg. My other thought is to spend similar money and buy a 2000-2002 2500 series Suburban with the 6 liter or the 8.1(yikes!). This at long last brings me to my question, can anyone advise real world mpg figures for either of these motors in a 2500 series Sub or pickup? Any hope of 15 or better? Regards, Paul Craven 1991 M5 1999 528iT 1996 K2500 Suburban - OPEC support vehicle - has towed BMW's, but not these two ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:17:59 -0400 From: "Karl Rentler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC List" <[email protected]> Subject: WTB E36 M3 Front Sub-Frame Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone have a spare E36 M3 front sub-frame they are wanting to part with? Thanks, Karl 95 M3 (wounded) 01 740i ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:26:35 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <e36> Michellin PS2's Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone running the Michellin PS2's? I replaced the tires on the rear of the M3 with the PS2's (from Pilot Sports). I know Gary, they'll go on the front this weekend, but the installer's didn't want to futz with the spacers. (Dinan 17 x 8.5) These tires don't "feel" like the Pilot Sports. To describe it as best I can they're "bouncy". The back end does not seem as settled. Anyone else experience this with these tires? I did have to take the pressure down to 36psi as the installers had it at 40. This improved things, but the backend still seems to "hop" under certain conditions. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
