The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 462 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: OT - current issue of Winding Road Re: E46 Drivers-side rear light cluster issues <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks; gas mileage Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Re: <OT> GM Trucks
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:47:51 -0400 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <[email protected]> Subject: OT - current issue of Winding Road Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In case you aren't a (free) subscriber, it's actually a pretty interesting little online-only auto rag, in the spirit of Automobile. They're pretty good at getting scoops and such, and have a few good writers on board. The legendary and controversial automotive editor David E. Davis Jr. is on board as editor-in-chief. He has had some huge battles in the past, including an on-and-off-and-on-and-off feud with Brock Yates. He's been fired and hired, fired and hired. He held the helm of Car & Driver for quite some time, left in a cloud of fury and haze, then later started Automobile, about 20 years ago, with Jean Jennings (neé Lindamood), who at the time was one of my top three favorite auto writers. Which, for a few years, was among my favorite auto mags, being an attempt to recreate the British mag "Car". All is good and gravy, then DED, Jr., slowly phased out of the magazine and left it in Jean's hands. I admit to gradually losing interest over time, and didn't renew and haven't read it for a few years now, even though it still had the occasional brilliant piece from folks like Ezra Dyer. Anyway, to my question. I always thought that DED, despite being (insert a variety of adjectives here), is a talented man and is always interesting to read. And it seemd to me that he did consider Jean Jennings his protegé. But in his column in the most recent issue of Winding Road, he writes, "Mr. Gavin Conway has now spent a fair amount of time in the editors chair at Automobile Magazine. He is a man of calm demeanor and well-modulated voice, apparently unflappable. This must be a very pleasant change for the unfortunate morlocks who toiled under his predecessor, Mrs. Jean Jennings, as she slowly drove Automobile into the ditch." WHAT?!? Does anyone know what brought this about? I hadn't even heard that Jean was no longer editor of Automobile (though she still writes a column for them). She did win the Ken Purdy Award for Excellence in Journalism this year (for a story about driving the Veyron across Florida during Spring Break). So, anyone have any insight into the schism between DED and Jean?? Or what happened at Automobile?? Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:56:11 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 Drivers-side rear light cluster issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:24 PM 4/28/2007, Jason Kay wrote: IIRC, there's a problem with facelift E46s where the ground wire for the rear clusters is of insufficient current capacity, and can cause the symptom you've seen. The solution (which I believe is what the SI Bulletin Brett refered to) is to add or replace the existing ground to increase the effective wire gauge of that ground. The extent of the work depends on what's already melted and needs to be replaced, whether there are extra ground contacts in the cluster's harness connector. If the SIB points to some retrofit/repair kit, that's probably the easiest way. Otherwise, you'll have to refer to the ETK to determine what connector socket PNs you need, and fabricate and install new grounds. I believe the taillights ground to the grounding point just above and aft of the rear shock towers. >So the rains have stopped (Thurs. night / Friday was kinda >interesting... the thunder sounded more like military planes flying >at supersonic speeds overhead... but that's another story. > >The tail lights both left as well as right started doing funky >things... I pulled the Drivers-side tail light cluster and low & >behold the #2 slot (BROWN wire), which is heavier duty that all the >rest, is melted/burned on both the harness side as well as cluster side. > >The local dealer (Morristown BMW) didn't want to have anything to do >with this... (WTF?!) > >SO, >That burned ground wire leads me to believe that the ground that >this wire attaches to is lose or corroded or both... >Does anyone have any idea where this magical ground connection might be? > >TIA! > >-Jason >'86 951 "Sparky" >'70 240Z "Dusty" >'03 325xi "Daisy" >'06 Mini CooperS > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I've just had a new issue pop up with the wife's '03 325xi (E46) > > The right-rear tail-light cluster shorts out for a day or two and > then starts working... This is brake light, turn signal, and tail lamp. > > > > Knowing that Bavarian Elves have not sneaked into the garage last > night to fix this, does the list have a starting point to go > searching for this short? > > > > Fuse box? > > known wear area that grounds wires? > > lose connector somewhere? > > > > TIA! > > > > -Jason > > '86 951 "Sparky" > > '70 240Z "Dusty" > > '03 325xi "Daisy" > > '06 Mini CooperS > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:13:49 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone else hate the front end design of the new GM trucks? Everytime I see the new GM truck designs, the large bumper segments below the headlights remind me of jowls. They just don't give a cohesive look to the front end of the truck. Also the lights are just too much like the Fords. I don't know why GM diverged from the previous model style (Silverado, Sierra, and Denali) which was unique and in my opinion good looking. The GMC look is at least less ponderous (jowly) and more integrated side to side. Anyone know if the new Denali will continue to have AWD or just the locker final drive? Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:15:57 -0800 From: bbarry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One thing's for sure, it will continue to give the same lousy gas mileage. Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone else hate the front end design of the new GM trucks? > Everytime I see the new GM truck designs, the large bumper segments below > the headlights remind me of jowls. They just don't give a cohesive look to > the front end of the truck. Also the lights are just too much like the > Fords. I don't know why GM diverged from the previous model style > (Silverado, Sierra, and Denali) which was unique and in my opinion good > looking. > The GMC look is at least less ponderous (jowly) and more integrated side to > side. > Anyone know if the new Denali will continue to have AWD or just the locker > final drive? > Kevin > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:42:05 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'bbarry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You aren't kidding. As a dealer, I see a lot of different cars come and go. This and that, these and those. Well, though the foreign SUV's aren't too pretty on gas mileage (I am disappointed that the well regarded Toyota 4-Runner is not good at all on gas...don't get me started on the Seqouia) they still have a leg up on the more common domestic ones: Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, Expedition, Navigator, even the smaller sport ute V8 Explorer and such are TERRIBLE. I bought an 02 Tahoe last week for a customer...when I picked it up it had near a half tank. I drove it a bit that day, wasn't watching the gauge. Got up the next morning to move it...damn thing had a quarter tank left. Huh? I drove, well, maybe 30 miles. I hate to think what people who drive these suckers spend on gasoline, especially in lieu of per gallon costs these days. I'd wager to say that some of these people, who drive plenty, are spending as much or more on gas than their car payment. I see and drive a hundred or so cars a year, so I have a couple of observations from stuff I'd had. Had a Honda civic a few weeks ago...couldn't get the gauge to move...outstanding mileage, had Ford Taurus traded in...SURPRSINGLY excellent gas mileage...I can see why they are used for corporate fleet vehicles (btw: didn't find any other reason to buy one:-). Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-) X5, not good, any iteration. If you want a BMW that gets 30mpg...get an E28 528e. Not only will they go a million miles, they sip on gas. I have been driving a Mini Cooper S for a few months...I expected better gas mileage, does the non-S get a lot more? 745I and Li...terrible. Saabs do pretty well, Volvo's aren't too bad either. I am currently driving an 04 325 convertible, it is so-so. In fact, there hasn't been a late model BMW I've had with decent gas mileage...is there one? I know you don't buy a BMW for gas mileage, but I'm just curious what newer models score decent in this category. These days, in my line of work, it pays to be armed with some gas mileage information. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bbarry > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > One thing's for sure, it will continue to give the same lousy gas mileage. > Barry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:17:07 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: uuc Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just did two vehicle pick-up runs in our Tahoe with Trailex open trailer. 1810 miles total, exactly half with an empty (~850lb) trailer and 1/4 with an E36 M3 Sedan the other 1/4 with a 90 750iL on the trailer. Average was 13mph, almost all highway, almost all of it above 80mph. I didn't think that was horrible. Had I stuck to 60mph, I probably could have found another 2mpg or so. On the other hand, tomorrow we are delivering an E36 325 Compact that we built, that should get at least 35mpg, and that at $1.75/gallon.... Brett Anderson KMS Alex Cagann wrote: > You aren't kidding. As a dealer, I see a lot of different cars come and go. > This and that, these and those. Well, though the foreign SUV's aren't too > pretty on gas mileage (I am disappointed that the well regarded Toyota > 4-Runner is not good at all on gas...don't get me started on the Seqouia) > they still have a leg up on the more common domestic ones: Tahoe, Suburban, > Yukon, Yukon XL, Expedition, Navigator, even the smaller sport ute V8 > Explorer and such are TERRIBLE. I bought an 02 Tahoe last week for a > customer...when I picked it up it had near a half tank. I drove it a bit > that day, wasn't watching the gauge. Got up the next morning to move > it...damn thing had a quarter tank left. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand, tomorrow we are delivering an E36 325 > Compact that we > built, that should get at least 35mpg, and that at > $1.75/gallon.... I'll bite. Some sort of biodiesel conversion? LPG? Stealing from a farm stash? -tammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:17:26 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks; gas mileage Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My M3 with supercharger gets about 20.75 miles to the gallon overall, and that is with a very heavy foot. I am sure I could squeeze a few more out of it if I drove gingerly. Lately I have borrowed by girlfriends 96 Chevy S-10 Blazer (going places where I dare not take the M3), and the mileage was poor, indeed. She hasn't quite mastered the science of calculating gas mileage so one of these days I will do 2-3 fill-ups and see what that sucker really gets. Although I am on shaky ground here, my understanding is that the biggest determinant of fuel economy is vehicle weight rather than engine output. Of course, some engines are way more efficient than others. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:42 PM To: 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks You aren't kidding. As a dealer, I see a lot of different cars come and go. This and that, these and those. Well, though the foreign SUV's aren't too pretty on gas mileage (I am disappointed that the well regarded Toyota 4-Runner is not good at all on gas...don't get me started on the Seqouia) they still have a leg up on the more common domestic ones: Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, Expedition, Navigator, even the smaller sport ute V8 Explorer and such are TERRIBLE. I bought an 02 Tahoe last week for a customer...when I picked it up it had near a half tank. I drove it a bit that day, wasn't watching the gauge. Got up the next morning to move it...damn thing had a quarter tank left. Huh? I drove, well, maybe 30 miles. I hate to think what people who drive these suckers spend on gasoline, especially in lieu of per gallon costs these days. I'd wager to say that some of these people, who drive plenty, are spending as much or more on gas than their car payment. I see and drive a hundred or so cars a year, so I have a couple of observations from stuff I'd had. Had a Honda civic a few weeks ago...couldn't get the gauge to move...outstanding mileage, had Ford Taurus traded in...SURPRSINGLY excellent gas mileage...I can see why they are used for corporate fleet vehicles (btw: didn't find any other reason to buy one:-). Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-) X5, not good, any iteration. If you want a BMW that gets 30mpg...get an E28 528e. Not only will they go a million miles, they sip on gas. I have been driving a Mini Cooper S for a few months...I expected better gas mileage, does the non-S get a lot more? 745I and Li...terrible. Saabs do pretty well, Volvo's aren't too bad either. I am currently driving an 04 325 convertible, it is so-so. In fact, there hasn't been a late model BMW I've had with decent gas mileage...is there one? I know you don't buy a BMW for gas mileage, but I'm just curious what newer models score decent in this category. These days, in my line of work, it pays to be armed with some gas mileage information. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bbarry > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > One thing's for sure, it will continue to give the same lousy gas mileage. > Barry Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:54:51 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jim Tilley'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'bbarry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. I have a 2001 M3 convertible that gulps down gas in the mid teens per gallon. The non-M E46 325 convertible I am driving, the window sticker says 19mpg average, I am seeing about the same at the pump (18-19 city, 22-24highway). I drove a 2000 M5 for two months, and got about 14mpg (also had a 2002 for a few months...the same there too), wasn't pretty. How can an M car, almost 10 years old get better gas mileage than a 2004 325 (as noted, it's published on the window sticker)? Not saying you are wrong or I am right...just writing my previous experiences. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:26 PM > To: Alex Cagann; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > Alex, > > Usually a reader of this newsgroup but I beg to differ with your below > assertion. I drive a 1999 E36 M3 with a chip/CAI and some suspension > improvements. Run a 210 mile stint at each end of the week with city type > driving in between. Get 24.5 mpg consistently and stay at the head of the > traffic flow. So what are you basing your below comment on? > > "Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-)" > > > Cheers, > > Jim Tilley > E36 M3 > SSB/LS Z3, #94 > #93 SM (Sorry about the off brand) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've never been accused of driving too slow, and over 8k mostly highway miles I averaged 23 mpg in my E28 M5 (now sold). I get slightly better (24.5ish) in my E28 535is. Both get around 7.5 mpg on track and only manage 13-15 mpg in town. -tammer --- Alex Cagann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. I > have a 2001 M3 > convertible that gulps down gas in the mid teens per > gallon. The non-M E46 > 325 convertible I am driving, the window sticker says > 19mpg average, I am > seeing about the same at the pump (18-19 city, > 22-24highway). I drove a > 2000 M5 for two months, and got about 14mpg (also had a > 2002 for a few > months...the same there too), wasn't pretty. How can an M > car, almost 10 > years old get better gas mileage than a 2004 325 (as > noted, it's published > on the window sticker)? Not saying you are wrong or I am > right...just > writing my previous experiences. > > Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:53:22 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Before the supercharger upgrade I was getting about 24 MPG overall, also, and with a heavy foot. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 PM To: 'Jim Tilley'; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. I have a 2001 M3 convertible that gulps down gas in the mid teens per gallon. The non-M E46 325 convertible I am driving, the window sticker says 19mpg average, I am seeing about the same at the pump (18-19 city, 22-24highway). I drove a 2000 M5 for two months, and got about 14mpg (also had a 2002 for a few months...the same there too), wasn't pretty. How can an M car, almost 10 years old get better gas mileage than a 2004 325 (as noted, it's published on the window sticker)? Not saying you are wrong or I am right...just writing my previous experiences. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:26 PM > To: Alex Cagann; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > Alex, > > Usually a reader of this newsgroup but I beg to differ with your below > assertion. I drive a 1999 E36 M3 with a chip/CAI and some suspension > improvements. Run a 210 mile stint at each end of the week with city type > driving in between. Get 24.5 mpg consistently and stay at the head of the > traffic flow. So what are you basing your below comment on? > > "Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-)" > > > Cheers, > > Jim Tilley > E36 M3 > SSB/LS Z3, #94 > #93 SM (Sorry about the off brand) Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:04:55 -0500 From: "John Bunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On my normal commute loop, which is a good mix of city and highway, my 2.3L E30 M3 averaged about 17.5 mpg. Driving the same loop, about the same way, my 3.2L E46 M3 gets 18.1. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:24:09 -0400 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My e34 525 touring averages a little over 20 in town (fair amount of highway driving in my commute). My first BMW - e28 ('84) 528e 5 spd - I could sneak it over 34MPG on a highway trip if I was careful. Not much for the butt dyno, but it was a great car and I credit it for saving my life in a freeway head-on. Karl Zemlin, Indianapolis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:19:21 -0400 From: Bill Weismann - MSR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex, Mine gets that in the city but it has seen 20+ on highway runs using the cruise. Not too shabby... Bill Alex Cagann wrote: > That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. (snip)... > > Alex > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
