Hi Toby,

"Don't
   forget that feature adoption is driven by use - if everyone pushed
   nothing but standards we'd have browsers capable of on the fly
   SVG rendering by now, which would be nice!"

Actually I'd be inclined to say that if we were all afraid of doing anything
non standard we'd never see any substantial changes to the standards.
Feature adoption is driven by use and availability. If a feature were not
available it'd never get used (Obviously). This means that if we stuck to
only stuff that complied to standards then there would be no driving force
to change standards. Just think we'd all be building pages with <BLINK> tags
:)

I agree that any service oriented site should allow for more than single
browser support. Although NS4 and IE4 are getting a bit old IMO. But there
is always gonna be the person who wants to access a fully flash driven site
with his/her trusty Lynx browser cause they can't be sure that NS 2 is
stable enough yet.

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cheers,
Toby

P.S. besides, flash is stable enough and supported across
linux/m$/mac/embedded etc to be considered a standard now, and there's
little you can't do in flashMX.

Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 3:09:22 PM, you wrote:

NG> <cf_Soapbox>
NG> So all of our web pages should be viewable any obscure functionality 
NG> challenged browser available on the market? To do that would force 
NG> us to design aesthetically poor pages and reduce our design options 
NG> to only a small core html subset. We couldn't use flash or Java, We 
NG> couldn't embed sounds/movies/image maps/etc.

NG> IMO there has to be some room for pages that are cutting edge. If 
NG> that cutting edge forces people away because they can't or won't 
NG> download the specified browser or plug-in then so be it.

NG> If we as a developer community vowed en masse to never use an 
NG> unsupported feature in our pages we'd probably all be out of work 
NG> very quickly.

NG> One of the reasons the internet is what it is, is because companies 
NG> (Like
NG> *Gasp* M$) and people are always trying new things out. I really believe
NG> that there needs to be a happy medium here. Service pages like the one
that
NG> Westpac provides should allow multiple browsers (Or have multiple
versions)
NG> but there should be no reason why companies and people shouldn't be
allowed
NG> to stretch the envelope. In stretching the envelope it is often going to
be
NG> impossible to add backward compatibility.
NG> </cf_Soapbox>

NG> Well now I've managed to offend y'all, who's gonna win the footy 
NG> this weekend :)



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