hehe sorry that's what I meant. A lot of browser developers will include the latest round of changes or suggestions for the upcoming versions of various standards - it's only by testing these out that we get them into the standard. What I don't agree with is the use of things that are specifically only available in one browser because the browser developer decided to do something common or desired but do it completely differently to everyone else. That where we get the issues of having multiple tag attributes to achieve the same thing in different browsers etc etc. SGML/HTML/XML is supposed to exist to avoid all of that ;)
That said, (and I may be committing heresy here) but does anyone except me occasionally miss the days when the web was only part of the internet, was all gray, and was all about finding information, rather than upgrading your browser versions and downloading 3rd party plugins? cheers, Toby Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 3:47:08 PM, you wrote: NG> Hi Toby, NG> "Don't NG> forget that feature adoption is driven by use - if everyone pushed NG> nothing but standards we'd have browsers capable of on the fly NG> SVG rendering by now, which would be nice!" NG> Actually I'd be inclined to say that if we were all afraid of doing anything NG> non standard we'd never see any substantial changes to the standards. NG> Feature adoption is driven by use and availability. If a feature were not NG> available it'd never get used (Obviously). This means that if we stuck to NG> only stuff that complied to standards then there would be no driving force NG> to change standards. Just think we'd all be building pages with <BLINK> tags NG> :) NG> I agree that any service oriented site should allow for more than single NG> browser support. Although NS4 and IE4 are getting a bit old IMO. But there NG> is always gonna be the person who wants to access a fully flash driven site NG> with his/her trusty Lynx browser cause they can't be sure that NS 2 is NG> stable enough yet. NG> -----Original Message----- NG> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NG> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Toby Tremayne NG> Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 3:29 PM NG> To: CFAussie Mailing List NG> Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Your thoughts and Comments on this article. NG> cheers, NG> Toby NG> P.S. besides, flash is stable enough and supported across NG> linux/m$/mac/embedded etc to be considered a standard now, and there's NG> little you can't do in flashMX. NG> Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 3:09:22 PM, you wrote: NG>> <cf_Soapbox> NG>> So all of our web pages should be viewable any obscure functionality NG>> challenged browser available on the market? To do that would force NG>> us to design aesthetically poor pages and reduce our design options NG>> to only a small core html subset. We couldn't use flash or Java, We NG>> couldn't embed sounds/movies/image maps/etc. NG>> IMO there has to be some room for pages that are cutting edge. If NG>> that cutting edge forces people away because they can't or won't NG>> download the specified browser or plug-in then so be it. NG>> If we as a developer community vowed en masse to never use an NG>> unsupported feature in our pages we'd probably all be out of work NG>> very quickly. NG>> One of the reasons the internet is what it is, is because companies NG>> (Like NG>> *Gasp* M$) and people are always trying new things out. I really believe NG>> that there needs to be a happy medium here. Service pages like the one NG> that NG>> Westpac provides should allow multiple browsers (Or have multiple NG> versions) NG>> but there should be no reason why companies and people shouldn't be NG> allowed NG>> to stretch the envelope. In stretching the envelope it is often going to NG> be NG>> impossible to add backward compatibility. NG>> </cf_Soapbox> NG>> Well now I've managed to offend y'all, who's gonna win the footy NG>> this weekend :) NG> -------------------------------- NG> Life is Poetry, NG> write it in your own words NG> -------------------------------- NG> Toby Tremayne NG> Cold Fusion Developer NG> Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep NG> Virtual Tours NG> +61 416 048 090 NG> ICQ: 13107913 NG> --- NG> You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To NG> unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NG> MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/ NG> --- NG> You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NG> To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NG> MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/ -------------------------------- Life is Poetry, write it in your own words -------------------------------- Toby Tremayne Cold Fusion Developer Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep Virtual Tours +61 416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/
