One thing that's for sure, properly regulated certification can go a long way to helping the perception of a profession.
On 27 October 2010 13:41, Matt Simmons <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark, > > I think that's painting with too wide a brush. The pinnacle levels of > Cisco, VMware, and ISC certification are all certs that require > significant experience to even sit for, let alone pass. If someone is > applying for a high level security position in your organization and > they have a CISSP by their name, you can be fairly sure that they're > competent, and it definitely gives you a sense of where to begin your > discussions. The same with CCIE, or even the VCDX. > > These certifications don't guarantee that the person is the best for > the job, or even qualified for the job. They certify a certain level > of skill and knowledge. An individual requires a lot more than that to > be successful, but the skill and knowledge are requirements too. > > --Matt > > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mark McCullough <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 2010 Oct 25, at 15:24, Tom Perrine wrote: >>> What's the perception of the value of UNIX and Linux certifications to >>> practicing system administrators? Not the value to HR, or hiring >>> managers, or (especially) the certification industry, but to us, the >>> actual working system administrators. >> >> There is no such thing as a certification that I count as a positive. >> Anyone who thinks their certification means anything is too junior to >> understand the basics. If I was feeling particularly ornery, I'd ask HR to >> filter such individuals out. >> >> Every time I work with someone who is certified and thinks it means anything >> at all, that person is sorely lacking in basic understanding of fundamental >> concepts of Unix. This includes RHCE, the (formerly) Sun Solaris SA cert >> (whatever they call it today), etc. >> >> This also includes some standard security certifications. >> >> Note, I do not have the same view of college degrees. They don't try and >> make as strong a claim as certification, and require significantly more time >> involvement and effort to obtain. >> >> ---- >> "The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that >> speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be >> untrue." Edward R Murrow (1964) >> >> Mark McCullough >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >> http://lopsa.org/ >> > > > > -- > LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? > COOKIE MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process. > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > -- http://www.totkat.org/ _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
