Which reminds me... Anyone remember cSAGE? On 2010-10-27 9:33 AM, Kate Driskell wrote: > One thing that's for sure, properly regulated certification can go a > long way to helping the perception of a profession. > > On 27 October 2010 13:41, Matt Simmons <[email protected]> wrote: >> Mark, >> >> I think that's painting with too wide a brush. The pinnacle levels of >> Cisco, VMware, and ISC certification are all certs that require >> significant experience to even sit for, let alone pass. If someone is >> applying for a high level security position in your organization and >> they have a CISSP by their name, you can be fairly sure that they're >> competent, and it definitely gives you a sense of where to begin your >> discussions. The same with CCIE, or even the VCDX. >> >> These certifications don't guarantee that the person is the best for >> the job, or even qualified for the job. They certify a certain level >> of skill and knowledge. An individual requires a lot more than that to >> be successful, but the skill and knowledge are requirements too. >> >> --Matt >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mark McCullough <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On 2010 Oct 25, at 15:24, Tom Perrine wrote: >>>> What's the perception of the value of UNIX and Linux certifications to >>>> practicing system administrators? Not the value to HR, or hiring >>>> managers, or (especially) the certification industry, but to us, the >>>> actual working system administrators. >>> There is no such thing as a certification that I count as a positive. >>> Anyone who thinks their certification means anything is too junior to >>> understand the basics. If I was feeling particularly ornery, I'd ask HR to >>> filter such individuals out. >>> >>> Every time I work with someone who is certified and thinks it means >>> anything at all, that person is sorely lacking in basic understanding of >>> fundamental concepts of Unix. This includes RHCE, the (formerly) Sun >>> Solaris SA cert (whatever they call it today), etc. >>> >>> This also includes some standard security certifications. >>> >>> Note, I do not have the same view of college degrees. They don't try and >>> make as strong a claim as certification, and require significantly more >>> time involvement and effort to obtain. >>> >>> ---- >>> "The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that >>> speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be >>> untrue." Edward R Murrow (1964) >>> >>> Mark McCullough >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >>> http://lopsa.org/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? >> COOKIE MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process. >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >> http://lopsa.org/ >> > >
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