I think a demo is good, where you show them what you can do. What I *don't* think you should do is to go ahead and sniff their traffic, then show it to them after. That's only good for making people resentful. People don't like being shown that they're dumb. :)
Ron On 2013-04-06 11:20, Ace Tunes wrote: > This whole thing got me thinking that I want to set it up as a presentation > to my family of how insecure the internet is. My sisters seems to think > everything they put out there can't be seen by anyone with out privilege. I > think this would be a major wake up call. > On Apr 6, 2013 11:03 AM, "Dave Curry" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Burn the witch! > > > > On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 10:40:37AM -0500, Ron wrote: > > > I'm not suggesting we pursue criminal action (although..... ;) ) > > > > > > But I don't think we should continue doing it, particularly when nobody > > > else is around. If it's being done publicly while everybody is there and > > > everybody at the space knows it's happening, that's fine. On the other > > > hand, if somebody stops by after school today (or whatever), while the > > > space is empty, to look at pictures of particularly attractive donkeys > > > (or maybe something more personal, like their family on Facebook), I > > > feel like that's stepping over The Line. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > On 2013-04-06 10:09, Michael Legary wrote: > > > > I smell a horse in the room. > > > > > > > > Agree with the comments, but what has been done is not illegal > > (criminal or otherwise) based on the situation and current operating > > precedent in Canada. > > > > Granted, it isn't an issue that is black and white or even applied > > consistently across the nation. > > > > > > > > He is a member of the facility with no policies stating that he > > couldn't expect to do this activity in the Hackerspace (up till this point > > arguably). > > > > > > > > I just point this out because Alex seems to be a law abiding citizen > > (IMHO / in scope to this situation) :) > > > > > > > > On 2013-04-06, at 9:06 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > As amusing it is as a demonstration, this is almost certainly illegal > > > > > due to wiretap laws. If everybody used SkullSpace-owned machines and > > > > > were notified - by a banner or something - that we have the right to > > > > > monitor their traffic and such, then it would be okay. But as it > > stands, > > > > > not everybody who uses the space's Internet connection reads discuss@ > > , > > > > > and I very much doubt that a post to discuss@ would hold up in > > court. > > > > > Therefore, illegal. > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, it just 'feels' wrong. Just because you *can* do > > > > > something, doesn't make it right or ethical to do it, even if it's > > just > > > > > as a demonstration. Much like cracking people's passwords simply > > because > > > > > you have access to them - it's an invasion of privacy, and also kinda > > > > > rude. :) > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > On 2013-04-06 01:10, Alex Weber wrote: > > > > >> Hey everybody, > > > > >> > > > > >> Today, I set up a computer with Driftnet running at the space. > > > > >> It shows, on a nice big display, any JPEG or GIF images that > > traverse our > > > > >> black DD-WRT router. > > > > >> > > > > >> It's a neat demonstration of what exactly somebody can see when you > > are not > > > > >> using SSL/TLS. > > > > >> > > > > >> If you want to learn a few different ways to protect yourself, come > > to the > > > > >> Cryptoparty on the 27th! > > > > >> > > > > >> If you feel seriously violated by this installation, please feel > > free to > > > > >> disconnect it the next time you're at the space. > > > > >> > > > > >> -Alex > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > >> Archive: > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > -- > > David Michael Curry (Dave) > > <[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
