I object. I OBJECT.
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > I think a demo is good, where you show them what you can do. > > What I *don't* think you should do is to go ahead and sniff their > traffic, then show it to them after. That's only good for making people > resentful. People don't like being shown that they're dumb. :) > > Ron > > On 2013-04-06 11:20, Ace Tunes wrote: > > This whole thing got me thinking that I want to set it up as a > presentation > > to my family of how insecure the internet is. My sisters seems to think > > everything they put out there can't be seen by anyone with out > privilege. I > > think this would be a major wake up call. > > On Apr 6, 2013 11:03 AM, "Dave Curry" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Burn the witch! > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 10:40:37AM -0500, Ron wrote: > > > > I'm not suggesting we pursue criminal action (although..... ;) ) > > > > > > > > But I don't think we should continue doing it, particularly when > nobody > > > > else is around. If it's being done publicly while everybody is there > and > > > > everybody at the space knows it's happening, that's fine. On the > other > > > > hand, if somebody stops by after school today (or whatever), while > the > > > > space is empty, to look at pictures of particularly attractive > donkeys > > > > (or maybe something more personal, like their family on Facebook), I > > > > feel like that's stepping over The Line. > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > On 2013-04-06 10:09, Michael Legary wrote: > > > > > I smell a horse in the room. > > > > > > > > > > Agree with the comments, but what has been done is not illegal > > > (criminal or otherwise) based on the situation and current operating > > > precedent in Canada. > > > > > Granted, it isn't an issue that is black and white or even applied > > > consistently across the nation. > > > > > > > > > > He is a member of the facility with no policies stating that he > > > couldn't expect to do this activity in the Hackerspace (up till this > point > > > arguably). > > > > > > > > > > I just point this out because Alex seems to be a law abiding > citizen > > > (IMHO / in scope to this situation) :) > > > > > > > > > > On 2013-04-06, at 9:06 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As amusing it is as a demonstration, this is almost certainly > illegal > > > > > > due to wiretap laws. If everybody used SkullSpace-owned machines > and > > > > > > were notified - by a banner or something - that we have the > right to > > > > > > monitor their traffic and such, then it would be okay. But as it > > > stands, > > > > > > not everybody who uses the space's Internet connection reads > discuss@ > > > , > > > > > > and I very much doubt that a post to discuss@ would hold up in > > > court. > > > > > > Therefore, illegal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, it just 'feels' wrong. Just because you *can* do > > > > > > something, doesn't make it right or ethical to do it, even if > it's > > > just > > > > > > as a demonstration. Much like cracking people's passwords simply > > > because > > > > > > you have access to them - it's an invasion of privacy, and also > kinda > > > > > > rude. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2013-04-06 01:10, Alex Weber wrote: > > > > > >> Hey everybody, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Today, I set up a computer with Driftnet running at the space. > > > > > >> It shows, on a nice big display, any JPEG or GIF images that > > > traverse our > > > > > >> black DD-WRT router. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> It's a neat demonstration of what exactly somebody can see when > you > > > are not > > > > > >> using SSL/TLS. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If you want to learn a few different ways to protect yourself, > come > > > to the > > > > > >> Cryptoparty on the 27th! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If you feel seriously violated by this installation, please feel > > > free to > > > > > >> disconnect it the next time you're at the space. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -Alex > > > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > >> Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > >> Archive: > > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > -- > > > David Michael Curry (Dave) > > > <[email protected]> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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