On 1 Sep, 15:50, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/9/1 Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>:
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> > On 1 Sep, 15:00, David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1 Sep, 13:08, Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> > >That is the point. I should say that my starting position
> >> > > before encountering Bruno's views was against the tenability of CTM on
> >> > > the basis of any consistent notion of physical process. Bruno hasn't
> >> > > yet persuaded me that an explicitly non-computational theory of mind
> >> > > on some such basis is actually untenable. But he has awakened me to
> >> > > the reverse realisation that a non-materialist world-view can tenably
> >> > > be founded on CTM
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> >> > coupled with Platonism.
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> >> With respect, Peter, you continue to miss the point. What Bruno has
> >> demonstrated is that CTM as a mind-body theory (which is what UDA-8
> >> shows it must be) makes no ontological commitment *by its very
> >> virtuality*. Or rather, any such commitment is shown to be vacuous.
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> > There's got to be somehting at the bottom of the stack. Bruno
> > wants to substitue matetr with Platonia as the substrate.
> > If there is nothing at the bottom
> > of the stack, there are no virtualisations running higher up.
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> There's no bottom. Why would you need one ? It's turtle all the way down !
That's another version of Platonia and therefore still an ontological
commitment.
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